Getting Tossed Out of Class

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i agree, its better to not do it perfectly than to look back and not having done anything at all.

a personal anecdote, I am a cheerleader and a high level tumbler. My senior year I was late to a game because of a conflict with the other team’s cheerleading coach,(I was dating one of her athletes, and she didn’t appreciate me taking time away) well she didn’t let my girlfriend cheer or even come to the game. This game also happened to be our senior night, and this team was our biggest rival, AND i was slated to do a special individual performance at halftime, so needless to say, I was very pissed off.

So the first thing I do is a warm up pass, just a roundoff - three backhandsprings- to a back tuck. i did it very aggressively and landed about 3 or 4 feet behind the halfcourt line, which is not technically legal but it wasn’t intentional. I almost hit a girl on their squad, but its cool since we were friends.

I preceded to turn around and stare down the coach, before doing another tumbling pass back to my side of the court (flipping her off while in my flip, but she didn’t notice that)

My principal, worried that I was gonna do something stupid and hurt one of their cheerleaders, had the balls to come over to me and say, i quote, “you are here to entertain us, not to beat the other team.”
I just said yes sir. Every once and a while, I think about it and really wish I had just said the real reason why I cheer, Something along the lines of,
“I could care less what you or the crowd thinks, I flip and throw girls around because its fun. And i stuck it into your wife’s pooper last night.”
If only we could could go back in time…

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[quote]Thomas Gabriel wrote:
So true.

I still regret not standing up to power-tripping teachers in grade 3. [/quote]

If I had a time machine I would go back and verbally bitch slap just about every teacher I had. Teaching is an honorable pursuit, but I can count on one hand the number I had that actually gave a shit about trying to help and encourage any student in anything.

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NOOOOOOOOO come on folks.

part of learning is knowing what battles to fight. Also, be discreet. It would have cost the OP nothing to be mature and speak to the teacher after class. It might even have been beneficial to both of them.

Do not have the OP thinking that he should try to run rough-shod over his supervisors. He will be an unemployed person.

Yes,… challenge ideas, but do it in a tactful way.

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Im a dietetics major, so i feel like im constantly having to pick my battles.

But i just remind myself that im doing this so someday i can teach people the right way, so i keep quiet, learn their bullshit, get my A, and live to fight another day.

but yes, i feel your pain.

–JB

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[quote]crod266 wrote:
conorh wrote:
Exactly, AV. It’s just not worth it.

When I was an undergrad I had to take a generic intro nutrition class and the big final project was a fod log and analysis. Among the funnier things that happened in that class, I had something written down like “2 pounds of chicken” and the instructor corrected it and wrote “two oz.”

I went back and was pissed and had to explain to her that no, I in fact ate several pounds of chicken that day and would have eaten more if I wasn’t so broke. It devolved into an argument about the role of carbohydrate and saturated fats in obesity.

Now, in my defense, my grade in that class had more to do with my mediocre performance than it did with that exchange, but still it wasn’t smart.

Two more loosely related points:

1)There are two kinds of nutrition/fitness experts I have no use for whatsoever. The skinny and weak or fat and out of shape turds who clearly have no way of knowing if their knowledge works because they can’t apply it to themselves and the person who, although they may have a good physique, has essentially the same body they’ve had their entire lives.

I don’t think either of them really walk the walk. Don’t tell me I don’t need more protein if you can’t lift a grocery sack and don’t tell me I eat too much fat if you have the same four abs you’ve had through every beer bender and crash diet you’ve ever done.

  1. What the hell high school do you go to that has a “sports medicine” class?

I go to a regular public school and we happen to have a gym teacher who teaches it. Most schools dont have it though.

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A gym teacher cannot teach a sports medicine class, you can call it what you want, but it’s not sports medicine. Maybe a mixture of half ass nutrition and some exercise physiology, but it’s not sports medicine.

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I believe in choosing battles, but there are ways to get your point across.One way is, that’s not right my … fill in the blank with brother, dad, doctor, cousin who works with athletes etc. says… and he or she … .

This has worked and will work in the future. My son has used this at school and usually will get a huh, or well, that’s a way to look at it or something on those lines.

It does work since I would eb willing to go have a conference with the teacher and then play the condescending you really don’t know what you’re talking about thing.

Now, of course, I teach my kids to be respectful, but I will back them up on something like this. As long as they play the game right.

I did this even in grade school. I would be polite and do my research,then show them it politely and say, this is what the Encyclopedia Brittanica says or so on. School was fun.

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[quote]Thomas Gabriel wrote:
I’ll take a lower mark any day than let some idiot teacher/prof say stupid things. Same goes for doctors. I used to get in a lot of trouble in high school. It was totally worth it.

The way to do it without attacking them, is to ask them to explain themselves like you are truly interested in their answer. They won’t be able to explain it.

e.g you could have asked your teacher why the body only uses 80g protein a day. Then you can go two routes. Ask what happens to any protein used over that amount, or ask him which study suggests that amount.

He won’t be able to answer #1 because it will probably expose a logical fallacy of his, and he won’t be able to answer #2 because there are no studies that suggest that. If he tries ignore your questions, you can get a little more aggressive, and ask him if it is really a good idea for him to be teaching things he doesn’t know the science behind.

In the end, you will pretty much have schooled him without ever making one direct attack. [/quote]

Here Here!!! I would have done the same thing and then when the Teacher throws you out of class you go right to your principle and say “HEY!!! This is wrong” I had to do it a few time when I was in high school and burned 3 different teachers b/c of it.

For everyone who says “pick your battles” thats all good and well but turning the other cheek is whats wrong with our education system.

We NEED to question what our children are being taught and teach them to question it with out disrespecting or undermining the “teachers” authority. This Teacher is wrong b/c his teacher was wrong and his teacher was wrong and so on b/c they never thought to question what they are taught.

OP I like the idea of doing your reseach and take it to your teacher take it to your principle and show them that the tacher is wrong.

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noooooo pick your battles.

your employment will depend on it.

School is not your paycheck.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

noooooo pick your battles.

your employment will depend on it.

School is not your paycheck.

[/quote]

OG i always like what you have to say but I think you are WAY off. This as nothing to do with the Op working its far more important.

Its his and his classmates education and it is misinformation and just plain wrong information like this that hold us back and if by one person standing up and trying to educate his teacher and class mates on what is right than more power to him.

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[quote]Himora22 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

noooooo pick your battles.

your employment will depend on it.

School is not your paycheck.

OG i always like what you have to say but I think you are WAY off. This as nothing to do with the Op working its far more important.

Its his and his classmates education and it is misinformation and just plain wrong information like this that hold us back and if by one person standing up and trying to educate his teacher and class mates on what is right than more power to him.[/quote]

I truly do get what you are saying. I even said in a previous post that I admired him for questioning the dogma. BUT, don’t do it the wrong way.

He needs to learn discretion. I love that the OP wants to question. That will be a great boon to him through life, BUT he needs to learn when and how to present those questions.

Question, but do it in the right way.

I am all for questioning.

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It’s a glorified high school PE class - pick your battles, man.

You’re not there to show off for your friends or laugh when you get kicked out of class. You are there to get a grade, so my advice is to wise up and just play the fucking game by the teacher’s rules and move on once it’s over.

Getting an ‘A’ is a hell of a lot more satisfying than getting put on the shit list for having a big mouth.

That being said, the next time you DO feel the need to correct a teacher, you should keep in mind there are more tactful ways to go about it than raising your hand and telling him flat out how wrong he is in front of the entire class.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Himora22 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

noooooo pick your battles.

your employment will depend on it.

School is not your paycheck.

OG i always like what you have to say but I think you are WAY off. This as nothing to do with the Op working its far more important.

Its his and his classmates education and it is misinformation and just plain wrong information like this that hold us back and if by one person standing up and trying to educate his teacher and class mates on what is right than more power to him.

I truly do get what you are saying. I even said in a previous post that I admired him for questioning the dogma. BUT, don’t do it the wrong way.

He needs to learn discretion. I love that the OP wants to question. That will be a great boon to him through life, BUT he needs to learn when and how to present those questions.

Question, but do it in the right way.

I am all for questioning.[/quote]

I got’cha but I really dont see that he did any thing wrong and for the teacher to say there is no such thing as ketones is the crazyest thing I have ever heard! Again I would have burned this teacher had it been me.

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[quote]Himora22 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Himora22 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

noooooo pick your battles.

your employment will depend on it.

School is not your paycheck.

OG i always like what you have to say but I think you are WAY off. This as nothing to do with the Op working its far more important.

Its his and his classmates education and it is misinformation and just plain wrong information like this that hold us back and if by one person standing up and trying to educate his teacher and class mates on what is right than more power to him.

I got’cha but I really dont see that he did any thing wrong and for the teacher to say there is no such thing as ketones is the crazyest thing I have ever heard! Again I would have burned this teacher had it been me.[/quote]

I do agree with the more power to him, I do! But, high school is a system. Let’s get this educated fella through this system.

I don’t want him failing. Let him raise the eyebrows on something else.

Good job Crod, question and learn. We ALL learn on this website. You can PM TC or Shugs or even CT to learn. Do not ever stop.

I truly do get what you are saying. I even said in a previous post that I admired him for questioning the dogma. BUT, don’t do it the wrong way.

He needs to learn discretion. I love that the OP wants to question. That will be a great boon to him through life, BUT he needs to learn when and how to present those questions.

Question, but do it in the right way.

I am all for questioning.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

School is not your paycheck.

[/quote]

Exactly, all the more reason to go for the jugular. If it were an employment situation, he should quietly keep his mouth shut.

Winning at life is knowing when to speak up, and knowing when to shut up at the appropriate time. A lot of people get these times confused.

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[quote]Himora22 wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:

noooooo pick your battles.

your employment will depend on it.

School is not your paycheck.

OG i always like what you have to say but I think you are WAY off. This as nothing to do with the Op working its far more important.

Its his and his classmates education and it is misinformation and just plain wrong information like this that hold us back and if by one person standing up and trying to educate his teacher and class mates on what is right than more power to him.[/quote]

It is every person’s own responsibility to verify what they learn. You don’t ever take anything blindly and should always do your own research. Sure, he was wrong but you won’t convince him/them the way it was approached.

The information was incorrect, no doubt, but this could have everything to do with his employment someday. You don’t know who he knows. Often times, this has much more to with it than what you know. You are risking being labeled an opinionated trouble-maker.

My grandfather always used to say “You have two ears and one mouth for a reason”.

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[quote]crod266 wrote:
hey guys im in high school and … The teacher thinks he knows everything and today he was talking about how protein powder is dum because the body can only use 80g a day. Thats when I raised why hang and said im sorry but your wrong… Damn smuck.[/quote]

Talk about the pot calling the kettle cookware…

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It is a freaking high school class. Who cares? Keep doing what you know is right and study a little of the English language.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
crod266 wrote:
conorh wrote:
Exactly, AV. It’s just not worth it.

When I was an undergrad I had to take a generic intro nutrition class and the big final project was a fod log and analysis. Among the funnier things that happened in that class, I had something written down like “2 pounds of chicken” and the instructor corrected it and wrote “two oz.”

I went back and was pissed and had to explain to her that no, I in fact ate several pounds of chicken that day and would have eaten more if I wasn’t so broke. It devolved into an argument about the role of carbohydrate and saturated fats in obesity.

Now, in my defense, my grade in that class had more to do with my mediocre performance than it did with that exchange, but still it wasn’t smart.

Two more loosely related points:

1)There are two kinds of nutrition/fitness experts I have no use for whatsoever. The skinny and weak or fat and out of shape turds who clearly have no way of knowing if their knowledge works because they can’t apply it to themselves and the person who, although they may have a good physique, has essentially the same body they’ve had their entire lives.

I don’t think either of them really walk the walk. Don’t tell me I don’t need more protein if you can’t lift a grocery sack and don’t tell me I eat too much fat if you have the same four abs you’ve had through every beer bender and crash diet you’ve ever done.

  1. What the hell high school do you go to that has a “sports medicine” class?

I go to a regular public school and we happen to have a gym teacher who teaches it. Most schools dont have it though.

A gym teacher cannot teach a sports medicine class, you can call it what you want, but it’s not sports medicine. Maybe a mixture of half ass nutrition and some exercise physiology, but it’s not sports medicine.[/quote]

Well as you can see he didnt really no what he was talking about so its probably half assed. He works in an ambulance too so half the calf was about bones and cpr and all that.

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[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
crod266 wrote:
hey guys im in high school and … The teacher thinks he knows everything and today he was talking about how protein powder is dum because the body can only use 80g a day. Thats when I raised why hang and said im sorry but your wrong… Damn smuck.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle cookware…

[/quote]

Nah, it’s college where kids think they have the world figured out. Right now I have to listen to everyone bitch about how tough finals are, and how they have to study and don’t have any free time! Yeah, tests, big fucking deal. You get 4 months of vacation when they are over. In the real world, every day is a final. They end on Friday, and begin again the following Monday.

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[quote]crod266 wrote:
He works in an ambulance too so half the calf was about bones and cpr and all that. [/quote]

This lingo you youngsters are using is getting out of hand.