“I know me and demo don’t see eye to eye on certian issues, but he does have a point on proper, spelling and grammer.” - The answer is “I know Demo and I…” What do I win?
So Demo writes a great thread that should be read by every new person and reread by those who think they know everything, and the thread gets hijacked by the grammer police. Give it a rest, who cares what is the true definition of a weightlifter. Leave that crap at the door and read the post for what it really is.
I would like to say that was a very thoughtful post and would be great for any newbie.
Shut the fuck up. No one wants to hear your utterly useless, no-contribution-making, asinine bullshit. You don’t even have the balls to sign a screen name, and you’re criticizing someone who did a very good job of helping out the innumerable new people coming into the forum? Fuck you.
And by the way, you’re the one who’s wrong here. The only modern text where I have EVER seen “weightlifters” used in the sense that you’re using it is in Supertraining. Other than that one text (written by a South African, so it hardly qualifies as an internationally “standard” English), “weightlifting” is commonly used as an overall term to describe three major sub-categories: bodybuilding, powerlifting and Olympic lifting. Everyone who is anyone in the exercise world - with the single exception of Mel Siff - follows this usage, and your ridiculous insistance to the contrary doesn’t make that fact any less salient.
Go back to your job of sponging up spooge at your local porn shop and leave the forum posting to those who actually know something about what they’re doing.
“Go back to your job of sponging up spooge at your local porn shop and leave the forum posting to those who actually know something about what they’re doing.”
Oh Shit Bro, my damm side literally split open when I read this. Now I can’t lift for a week. I bow to the Master…
Yeah, when you’re passionate about something it usually comes through… 
Anonymous poster has it wrong. I was the one that explained the term weightlifter as being anyone who lifts weights. Besides arguing a ridiculous point, the anonymous poster has missed the whole idea behind this post.
Everyone new to T-mag or lifting (a year or less of lifting experience), should read this post. Also, be sure to keep things simple (K.I.S.S. - Keep It Simple Stupid) when it comes to training and nutrition. There is no reason to try some crazy diet or training program if you don’t do the basics first, or have enough training experience under your belt. Otherwise, you’re setting yourself up for failure.
Bump.
Amen!
Can we post this message on the FAQ section? Or make it a requirement for anyone new to T-mag and the T-Nation to read? This is something everyone should take into consideration before engulfing all the information on T-mag only to switch training and diet plans every week for the sake of trying something new.
Remember, you must give ample time for any diet or nutrition program to work properly. I’d recommend an absolute minimum of four (4) weeks, and typically, you should give things a try for at least 6-8 weeks in order to judge its effectiveness. And for those of you new to training (less than a year of serious training), then be sure to start with some very basic training and nutrition.
Read the “Dawg School” articles and read articles like “Foods That Make You Look Good Nekkid.”
The title says it all. This should be up on the first page for a while, to let everyone get a good look at it.
I’m pretty sure that the “Weightlifting Encyclopedia” by Dreschler is specifically about Olympic lifting.
I’m fairly certain that i’m one of the newbies you’re referring to. 
I’ve only been around here for a couple weeks, and i guess you could say that from your perspective, i’m in over my head.
Thing is though, I got started on both EDT and T-Dawg 2 yesterday and i’m really enjoying myself. Sure, eating 100g of carbs or less is a change, but it certainly isn’t half as hard as some people around here make it look.
EDT puts me in a lot of pain, but once again, i’m loving it. Hell, i just posted asking if doing some cardio on my days off would be a good idea. Sure it’s challenging, but it’s not even near impossible, even for a newbie.
So it all comes down to this: what you wrote is sound advice, but not for everyone. While it may certainly save someone from burning themselves out, it may also discourage others, who may be able to handle all this as well as myself, from doing their best.
Max- Judging from your posts on this forum, you are indeed in over your head. No offense.
Excellent post, Demo. And Char, have I told you lately that I love you?
I felt that this post needs to be put up again!!! Great post Demo.
To John K: I’m sure that if you really search hard, you could probably come up with one or two more sources as well. But I think the point stands. To try to argue that “weightlifting” pertains only to O lifting is not just stupid, it’s blatently, indefensibly, unforgiveably, I-don’t-speak-English-and-I-haven’t-lived-on-planet-Earth-since-those-Roman-gladiators-abused-me stupid.
To karma: No baby, you haven’t. But you can say it any ol’ time you like…
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Bump thanks Chris for putting this up again… think it should be up front for a while…