Getting From Lard-Ass to Hard Ass!

Well, it’s Friday so this one’s for you Tampa-Terry. :smiley:

As of today, Friday 31st August, my new stats are as follows…

Weight: 82.3kg / 181 lbs
R Arm: 32.5cm / 12.75"
Chest: 103cm / 40.5"
Waist: 95.5cm / 37.6"
Butt: 101cm / 39.75"
R Thigh: 55.5cm / 21.25"
R Calf: 42cm / 16.5"

So. Arm, chest & thigh are all bigger, albeit by a miniscule amount. Waist and butt are smaller… marginally.

I know I don’t know Jack but these seem favourable to me. But the calf? Is it supposed to get smaller?!

I’ve recalculated the diet at the new weight of 82.3kg/181 lbs, so protein intake is now 36g per meal. Have also adjusted PWO carbs acordingly at 2:1 ratio to protein. Fats remained the same. Hope that’s correct.

Drop in and let me know if these stats are good or bad Terry. When you get the chance of course. I know you’re busy.

Thanks in advance and have a great weekend.

NF

Friday night weigh-in again. And I’m NOT happy.

Sure I lost more weight but I reckon I overdid the cardio this week.

As of today, Friday 7th September, my stats are as follows…

Weight: 80.2kg / 177 lbs
R Arm: 32.5 / 12.75"
No bloody change, though my arms are getting stronger.
Chest: 100.5cm / 39.5"
Jeez I lost a heap here and that’s where I need to put it on the MOST! My press and fly exercises are getting stronger too. ??!
Waist: 92cm / 36.25"
Lost some here thankfully.
Butt: 99.5cm / 39.25"
My fat arse is going in the right direction!
R Thigh: 56cm / 22"
Slightly larger this week. But note the inch measurements for last week should have read 21.75".
R Calf: 41cm / 16.25"
Not sure what the story is with the calf.

Looks my running : weights ratio is all over the place this week. It was a real messed up week I can tell you. Hospital visits and trips away, really sucked. I could still go for the runs, I just wasn’t able to do as much weights as I wanted.

My week went like this:

FRI 31 Aug
Full body weights; 1h 12mins
Run; 6.5km in 39mins

SAT 1st Sep
Run; 6.5km in 39mins

SUN 2nd Sep
Upper body weights; 50mins

MON 3rd Sep
NOTHING - bloody naughty I know but it was a day from hell.

TUES 4th Sep
Run; 9.75km in 54mins

WED 5th Sep
Full body weights; 1h 15mins

THURS 4th Sep
Run; 9.75km in 1hr dead.

Not a balanced week I know do the measurements surprise people? Have I just run off any of the effects of the meagre weights I managed to do this week?

Jeez I’m pissed at myself!

Guess I’ll have to blitz the weights this week to gain the chest I’ve lost.

Any thoughts from anyone would be appreciated.

Thanks again.
NF

hey mate,
looks like you’re doing well
i’m from australia too - where did you find HOT-ROX? i thought they were banned in Aus due to some ingredient or other. Find any other Biotest stuff for a reasonable price? shipping stuff is just too expensive for me at the moment - poor student and all.

G’day Dan, cheers for the compliment. :slight_smile:

This week is a bad one; not losing as much fat due to constant calf pain which makes me unable to run. Walking round the supermarket is hard enough so I’m just trying to give it time to heal. Been cycling instead just to isolate work on those thighs - went for 1.5hrs yesterday, sweated buckets but not sure it’s half as good as a damn hard run which I REALLY miss at the moment. Still doing the weights of course, just not the lower legs.

Stupid beginners. Never listen to their bodies until they damage 'em.

HOT-ROX, well I found the Aussie site, but I’ve not ordered any yet.

HOT-ROX.net.au/#

Did some more reading about it though and found that people here reckon it’s not available to us, so I’ve not been brave enough to hand over the credit card number to the website just in case it’s dodgy.

As someone who used to import foods/drinks from OS and knowing restrictions on certain products (due to their high caffeine content for instance), I suspect this may be just one reason for the speculation that HOT-ROX can’t be imported. High caffeine content brings with it a whole new set of parameters within Australian importation rules which for many products often makes it prohibitive to import as they must be classified under stricter import classifications.

I could just order it on T-Nation to be sure but I figure what’s the point if it gets checked in the mail on arrival in Australia? Happens plenty, so I’m not willing to take the chance of getting it confiscated.

Course, I’m only guessing caffeine content is the reason why people think its unavailable here due to my past experience with imported foodstuffs. It’s possible.

Can’t really seem to get definitive proof if it IS available here or not, and if not, for what reason.

I know what you mean about costs (especially given you’re a student) they’re pretty high.

But I’m sure like me, you often wonder if you’d be getting better results with a bit of help from a few of these expensive magic BB potions!

Another of my beginners traits… way too impatient to see results.

Thanks for the post.
NF.

PS… Tampa-Terry, I’ll leave my post to you till Friday just to give you some breathing space but remember, don’t rush with the reply. In your own time.

Nil Flaps,

Don’t quote me on this, but I believe the “official” Biotest product site for our Australian crowd is:

http://www.biotestaustralia.com/products/hot-rox.html

You can actually order any of the entire product line via that site.

If you have any further questions about ordering products, you can PM Mod Brian, a Biotest Customer Service Rep.

It’s that time of the week again.

Friday weigh-in.

Before I get onto that, I’ll just ‘quickly’! state what’s been happening.

Trained 4 times this week, each ranging from 1hr 10 - 1hr 30. I’m trying to get this time down but reps are increasing so while I try to minimise time between sets, as the reps increase, the time I save between sets gets eaten up again. :frowning:

I’m managing a good few more exercises with 12kg bells now; flat press & flies, deadlifts, single arm rows, shrugs, all legwork, incline press, lying bent over row. Incline flies are now at 10.5k. I know I’m still a wimp but for me that’s an improvement!

However, it’s been an up & down week.

Must’ve overdone cardio last week - too many runs and the front of my calves near the bone are seriously sore. So much so I find walking sometimes damn painful and even with my feet up at night I often get shooting pains.

For that reason, I went easy on the legwork to give the calves a rest this week, and cut the running out completely - too much impact. Even now these old calves still bloody hurt! Forget skipping - the pain becomes murderous in less than a minute.

I did a bit of outdoor bike-riding for cardio to work the quads and hams whilst simultaneously trying to go easy on the calves but due to shithouse weather this week, the cardio has admittedly suffered.

Consequently I think so has my weight loss. My usual 2-2.5kilos loss is down to just 1 kilo this week. At least I lost I suppose.

So what is my plan for the dodgy calves? Well, I really hope I can run on them again soon because I’m missing those runs like even I can’t believe.

But in case I can’t, I went and hired an exercise bike. The next week’s weather forecast is dreadful, so I figured now I can get some gentle-on-the-calves cardio done indoors where the weather can’t stop me. I’ll be swapping it for a cross-training machine as soon as they have one available (seems to give a better cardio workout) but until then the bike will do; I couldn’t sit doing nothing.

It’s been driving me MAD not doing the cardio properly this week (made me feel a proper lazy bastard) but me whingeing about it is driving the wife even MADDER!

We also went and organised some lap-swimming at the rec. centre too, just to mix things up a bit and try to go easy on the calves at the same time. Not ideal but better than hammering the legs on the roads.

Let’s hope I get better weight loss this time next week.

I do have a couple of issues with the weights. My form on concentration curls seems terrible when I’m curling with my left arm. It’s not the same travel or feel as when I’m using the right arm. I try desperately to match the positioning I use on my right arm but it always seems snarled-up. Yes, I’m right handed.

Not only does my left bicep look slightly smaller, it also means the day after my exercise, the right side of my back pulls like hell and it feels I’ve been stabbed in the middle of the right side of my back. I know it’s coming from this exercise when I’m curling my left arm and I’ve tried to stop any pressure transferring to my back but nothing seems to work. Pointers anyone?

Also, my shoulders are beginning to sound a bit ‘crunchy’! in my shoulders when doing flies, sometimes also presses. I stretch beforehand and control all the movement slowly, as well as concentrating pressure on my chest. I’ve recently upped from 9k to 10.5k and 12k on this exercise and try to be very careful but the crunchy noises (looks and feels like joints clicking) keep happening. I trained yesterday but tonight my shoulder joints feel pretty weak. What should I do?

Aside from that, all seems okay. My sleep is back to normal thankfully.

I notice my measurements (bar the arms) are still going in a downward direction which would appear good, all besides the chest which I keep telling myself should be increasing in size. But then, is it shrinking due to fat loss?

Thankfully my arms are growing slightly and besides the shoulder concern my arms do seem to be getting slightly more solid and stronger on the weights.

But enough of the claptrap, here’s my weight and measurements for this week, Friday, September 14th…

(Note all changes are compared only to stats taken last Friday, September 7th)…

Weight: 79.2kg / 175 lbs - LOST 1kg or 2lbs
R Arm: 33cm / 13.00" - LARGER BY 0.5CM
Chest: 99cm / 39" - SMALLER BY 1.5CM
Waist: 91cm / 35.75" - SMALLER BY 1CM
Butt: 98cm / 38.5" - SMALLER BY 1.5CM
That fat lardy arse is still going in the right direction!
R Thigh: 55cm / 21.6" - SMALLER BY 1CM
R Calf: 41cm / 16.25" - NO CHANGE

Just like this time last week I had to burn another new hole in my belt yesterday just so I could keep my pants up! It’s bloody great I reckon but I only got a few new pairs of jeans 2 months back which cost a small fortune and now they’re looking ridiculous!

We also saw a friend at the hospital today who said, not to me, but to the wife after I’d left - “he’s looking trim isn’t he”?

Always good to hear :smiley: so THANK YOU to one and all who’ve contributed, but especially you Tampa-Terry for making my results this far possible.

Cheers
NF

Mod Jump’n Jack…

Thanks for the info… I will check it out.

Still doing the weights, 4 times this week. Strength improving, do have some clicking shoulder joints. More about this on my thread.

Do some research on Wobenzyme for joints! If you can find someone who does ART (Active Release Technique) where you live, please try it out! It’s great for breaking up adhesions and restoring full ROM (Range of Motion). There’s some stuff on Active Release Technique here on the site.

Weight loss not great. Just 1 kilo/2lbs lost since last week. Not surprising with little cardio.

Fast weight loss is either water weight (like in the first week or two on a low-carb diet) or muscle lost. The body can only mobilize stored body fat so fast. UNDER 1 kilo is better than over. Losing muscle results in a slowing down the metabolism and rebound weight gain. Focus on slow & steady and making what you’re doing a LIFESTYLE, not a diet.

My measurements (bar the arms) are still going in a downward direction which would appear good. Right or wrong?

Very good! (grin)

Are you getting 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight?

Are you getting in some flaxseed oil and olive oil every day?

Are you eating lots of fibrous green veggies to fill you up?

Are you eating 1/2 cup of beans on a daily basis?

Are you eating 3 servings of fruit at your first 3 meals of the day?

Are you cutting out the extras that tend to creep into our diet, but that slow our results?

Are you enjoying your cheat/treat/free meal every week? (grin)

G’day again Terry,

Good to hear from you. I do hope all is well.

Thanks for the info on Wobenzyme and ART. I’ll do some reading up. :smiley: Shoulders have been a bit of a concern. Can’t have my arms falling out of their sockets!

Thanks for the explanation on fat and muscle loss. Really helps clueless plebs like myself! You’re making me change my perceptions from Lifestyle as opposed to Diet. I’m just too impatient and must change my focus as you suggest. Thanks, all that has really helped with the psychological side of things. :smiley:

Glad to hear my measurements are heading the right way. (BIG grin)!

In answer to your questions…

Are you getting 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight?

Most of the time it’s spot-on. I follow a fairly generalised menu but mix it up from one week to the next for variety. I only change the veggie ingredients, but never change when I eat P&C and P&F meals. That always remains the same. Most days I’m very diligent, the odd occasion I’ve been known to forget a meal, usually the last Meal5 (P&F), especially if I started with a late brekkie.

Are you getting in some flaxseed oil and olive oil every day?

Sure am! 1.5 tblsps of each, both once a day.

Are you eating lots of fibrous green veggies to fill you up?

Yes but I think I could be eating more. Sure you don’t want to know this but I’ve become a bit ‘irregular’!!! - not good - so I’ll up them a bit.

Are you eating 1/2 cup of beans on a daily basis?

You betcha. 1/2 cup Red Kidney Beans in with my daily yummy chilli, which does have lotsa veggies.

Are you eating 3 servings of fruit at your first 3 meals of the day?

Hmmmm. No. Now I know that this is a requirement, I shall put it right. I always have an apple at brekkie with my LF cottage cheese at Meal1 (P&C), sometimes with my Chicken Salad Meal2 (P&C). Not had a third in my daily intake in a while now. Could also explain the ‘irregularity’ down below! Might also explain my chronic sweet cravings I’ve been getting this week.

Are you cutting out the extras that tend to creep into our diet, but that slow our results?

On the whole yes. But I’m still human. And I have wavered. And felt terribly guilty afterwards. Since being on this new LIFESTYLE, I ate one Mars Bar (I think I mentioned it on this thread) just a few days back. No, it wasn’t part of my once-weekly cheat meal. I just had an all-consuming craving for it. It tasted absolutely crap, nothing like as I remembered and really wasn’t worth it. I got on the bike afterwards and did 38km’s to work it off! I know that doesn’t make it right and it won’t undo the damage caused. I just felt like a naughty schoolkid who had to right his wrongdoing!

Also did the unthinkable and scoffed a small hot cinammon donut yesterday. I blame it on the wife, she wanted one and had the gaul to tease me about it! Did I feel guilty? Shit, like you wouldn’t believe. Did I think that it tasted shit like the Mars Bar did? Christ no, it was absolutely divine and I enjoyed every slow, savoured, sugary fatty bite of it! Again, it wasn’t part of the cheat meal (or maybe that was it now!) so I felt like I was letting myself and Tampa-Terry down. :frowning:

Are you enjoying your cheat/treat/free meal every week? (grin)

Well, I didn’t have one last weekend as I had a big splurge the previous weekend and I felt guilty for that. Was that splurge good? Was it ever! A delicious starter, nice big hunk of steak for main and a delicious fruit crumble for dessert. Very naughty but every mouthful was pure heaven!

This weekend (it’s Saturday now) I might avoid a cheat meal again. We’re not going anywhere this weekend & due to this week’s Mars Bar and Donut weaknesses, maybe I’ve already had it! However, we have something to attend this coming Wednesday, so I was thinking I might use it then. Not an ideal time with a Friday weigh-in but maybe I’ll limit the extravagance. A healthy-ish lasagne with a great bowl of salad, no dressing, no fries, no starter, no dessert.

This lack of cheat meals (and lack of fruit) could also explain my recent cravings which I admit have been severe. I’ve been a bad boy, but I could’ve been worse I guess.

No more questions for now.

Just got back from the pool though, loved it. Despite working myself pretty hard for a first time and feeling the effects during and afterwards, it felt more like a trip out for enjoyment rather than a cardio workout. Did 2.1kms in 55 minutes, 500m of it freestyle, the rest breaststroke… freestyle whilst better for getting breathless and working the abs did not agree so much with my clicky shoulders.

We’re back off there in the morning. Could really get used to this exercise, especially alongside some runs (soon again I hope), bike and cross-trainer work, as well as those all-important weights of course.

Till next time, adios.
NF

Hey Mod Jump’n Jack,

I’ve found the Biotest aus site before but it’s even pricier there then here. As an example, Power Drive including shipping by itself from T-Nation.com is 41 USD to where I am, which is ~48 AUD. it’s $67.95 from the Biotest aus site, without shipping. So while I’d love the security of ordering from the australian site, not dealing with customs, etc etc, 20 bucks more sans shipping is a bit much to swallow. It makes it around 2.50 a day if you have a serve a day.

Another example: Flameout, Metabolic Drive and rez-v from T-Nation is $89.97 without shipping (USD) and 125.97USD with shipping, which is ~150 AUD. from the aussie Biotest site it is 74.95+89.95+74.95 for the same products, ie around 239.85, without shipping. Just too expensive to use the aussie site. But thanks anyway

If you can find a suitable (sturdy) tree branch, door frame etc. you should find some good progress from pull/chin ups. Great exercise for when you’re equipment deprived.

Congrats on the progress so far :wink:

Are you getting 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight?
Most of the time it’s spot-on. The odd occasion I’ve been known to forget a meal, usually the last Meal5 (P&F), especially if I started with a late brekkie.

If you miss a scheduled meal, make a protein shake and stick it in the fridge. You can even add your good fat. Then before bed, drink a TALL glass of water so that you have to get up in the middle of the night to hit the restroom. On the way back to bed, take a detour by way of the refrigerator, and you’ll have hit your protein and good fat requirements for the day.

Are you eating lots of fibrous green veggies to fill you up?
Yes. Sorry to be graphic but I’ve become a bit ‘irregular’! so thought this week I’d up them a bit.

Instead of flaxseed oil, switch over to eating freshly ground flax SEED. Here’s a recipe. You could use whey protein instead of Metabolic Drive. If you leave out the protein powder, leave out the 2 tablespoons of liquid.

[center]Flax Seed Muffins[/center]
2 tablespoons of flax seeds (measured before grinding; they do need to be ground in a coffee grinder)
1 egg
1 scoop of Metabolic Drive protein powder
1.5 tablespoons of cinnamon
0.5 teaspoons of baking powder (not baking soda!)
2 tablespoons of water (or coffee!)
Salt to taste (just a little)
Splenda to taste

Without Splenda, the above makes a great bread substitute if you’re dying for a sandwich.

Are you eating 3 servings of fruit at your first 3 meals of the day?
Hmmmm. No. I shall put it right now I know when to eat them. I always have an apple or orange in my LF cottage cheese at Meal1 (P&C), sometimes with my Chicken Salad Meal2 (P&C). Not had a third fruit in my daily intake in a while now. Might explain the ‘irregularity’ down below!

Even though it helps, the amount of fruit I’m asking you to eat isn’t going to improve regularity. It’s added in to maintain stable blood sugar levels and keep energy levels high/optimal, without spikes and dips. Since you have cravings for sweets, the 3 servings of fruit is all the more important.

Would having up to 2 fruits less per day explain my chronic sweet cravings I’ve been getting this week?

Once again, even though it will help, increasing the servings of fruit to 3 isn’t going to fix the cravings for bad sweets. Any time you indulge (break down) and give in to the cravings, you reinforce your addiction to bad carbs. As odd as it may sound, eating sugar/sweets is the best way I can think of to make sure you’re fighting cravings on a daily basis.

Honestly, the damage of eating a candy bar or cinnamon roll isn’t the calories. The damage is that it INCREASES cravings and leaves you constantly thinking about and obsessing over (bad) food.

Are you cutting out the extras that tend to creep into our diet, but that slow our results?
On the whole but I’m still human. I ate one Mars Bar just a few days back. Not part of my once-weekly cheat meal. Tasted crap, wasn’t worth it. Cycled 38km’s to work it off! Doesn’t make it acceptable but I felt like a naughty schoolkid who had to right his wrongdoing - FAST!

Nope, don’t do this either!!! You’re doing TWICE the damage. Eating a candy bar puts you in fat storage mode and kills the caloric deficit you’ve been working so hard to create. Trying to exercise off something you shouldn’t have eaten results in muscle being lost. Going for a walk is okay, but vigorously exercising in payment for your dietary “sins” is counter productive at the very least, if not downright destructive.

Also scoffed a small hot cinammon donut yesterday. It was absolutely divine and I enjoyed every slow, savoured, sugary, fatty bite of it. Felt guilty as hell ever since!

It’s better to save it for for your cheat/treat/free meal, NF. Start a list of all the things you want to eat when the big day rolls around and then eat as many as you can on your list. You’re only delaying gratification by a few days.

Are you enjoying your cheat/treat/free meal every week? (grin)
Didn’t have one last weekend as I had a big splurge the previous weekend and felt guilty for that. Was that good? Was it ever! This weekend (it’s Saturday now) I might avoid a cheat meal due to this week’s Mars Bar and Donut weaknesses. However, we have something to attend this coming Wednesday, (not great timing with a Friday weigh-in) so I was thinking I might use next weekend’s then. Limit it to a healthyish lasagne with no naughties.

The cheat/treat/free meal isn’t optional. It’s a part of your plan. It isn’t a reward, and it’s not to be withheld as punishment. Put your energy into tightening up DURING the week

Could my lack of cheat meals be responsible for this week’s severe cravings, or would it be more to do with the lack of fruit?

No, the cravings are a result of breaking down and giving in. In fact, when it comes to cheat/treat/free meals, I recommend they be the last meal of the day. People who have their cheat/treat/free meal earlier in the day end up fighting terrible craving for the whole rest of the day.

Some great replies, thank you everyone.

Dan… thanks for posting that info here. I hadn’t yet got round to doing the sums on the Metabolic Drive from here or the Aussie Biotest site. I hadn’t yet decided if I was going to buy some or just continue to rely upon food for all my protein needs but after Tampa Terry’s great suggestion about using it for a late night protein fix, not to mention my need for sometimes needing a quick protein serve in the minimum time and effort, I decided to bite the bullet and buy some just for emergencies.

However, armed with your information above I decided to give the Metabolic Drive a miss. Sorry people, but for me too it’s quite simply prohibitively expensive.

Instead I nipped down to a local specialist BB shop and got a free (vanilla) protein shake sample to try, (I asked about Metabolic Drive but they don’t stock it) and it tasted delicious so I bought a tub of that instead.

Before I get shot down in flames for having purchased BSN’s inferior protein powder called Syntha-6, it was on special for $62AUS, down $20 on their usual price and even beating an (Aussie?) product on price called Ripped, which, while lower on carbs I only got the choice of strawberry, strawberry or strawberry which I really didn’t care for. What’s more, I even got a shitload more in my tub of Syntha-6 than the Ripped product.

Maybe you could consider this as an alternative Dan?

I’ve read here that Syntha-6 isn’t the best out there (I’m aware Metabolic Drive has better ingredients, lowest carbs, no corn syrup etc.) but it was available immediately to me and at a good price to boot. However, given that I’ll ONLY be using it in emergencies when I need protein fast in replacement of a meal and never as a post-workout fix, it’ll do the job I guess.

Besides, I’m no competitor or BB God by any stretch of the imagination, so for a beginner I can’t see it doing much harm, especially when it’ll only be used pretty infrequently.

Dan, the Vanilla Ice Cream flavour that I bought tasted beautiful, no different from a delicious classic Aussie Vanilla Shake. After I’d tasted it by itself to see how it was I had to add my good fat into it (olive oil, wouldn’t do it with Flax, too strong a taste) and while it obviously changed the flavour and smell it was still perfectly drinkable, still NICE even!

So, sorry I didn’t get Metabolic Drive Terry but I’m wrapped with your protein shake suggestions and now I have something to fall back on when the need arises.

gpease… good piece of advice too. I never seem to think about chin-ups, nor the floor to do some good old push-ups on, so this advice is helpful. Always been crap at chin-ups so I must start.

Now, Terry, thanks again for all your info.

As I’ve said already, the shake idea is perfect. Thanks!

Flax-seed muffin recipe sounds tasty too. I’ll give it a go. I’m obviously not the only one who misses BREAD on the Metabolic Repair Plan so the sandwich idea’s a peach.

Fruit I’ve now upped to 3 serves just like you told me and yes, the cravings have subsided already. ;-D BIG FAT CHEESY GRIN!

Last week was shocking for cravings and it’s been the first time I’ve been bad or weak-willed so I’m determined to put it right! I’ll put a donut on my cheat list. Time will tell if I’m true to my word. But I promise to admit to it if I break the cardinal rule in future.

Terry, your best (and most unexpected) advice is about the hard exercise after committing a Sugary Food Sin. Jeez I’m a Twonk. I won’t be doing that again - I was so annoyed with myself after reading that.

Point taken about the cheat meal. And being resilient in the week.

Now, I do have some questions for you that I need answering but I’ll post those in a separate post in just a sec.

Still doing the workouts which are very gradually getting stronger and I’m swimming daily now which appears to be doing wonders for fitness as well as healing my sad, sorry calves. I might even manage to get back out for runs later this week, which’d be awesome. The swims get my heart-rate up but not as intensely as those runs do. And when I can run, it also means I can get going on the HIIT. :smiley: Still, the exercise bike makes me get a sweat up and boy does it make my quads solid by the end of it.

Questions coming up…

Okay, just a few questions for Tampa-Terry or anyone else reading this who’d like to give me their opinion…

*** Q1
Is there an optimum time to feed your body between finishing a weights workout and consuming your PWO meal with its serve of starchy carbs?

*** Q2
Same as above, only this time applied to eating after cardio workouts? (Without starchy carbs of course).

***Q3
On cheat meal day, whilst I have always done as you suggest by making it the last meal of the day, (by accident, not from knowledge!) my confusion is this. Do you eat all your daily protein, good fats, fruit requirements etc. before your once weekly cheat meal or do you stop at say Meal 4 for example and count the cheat meal as Meal 5 or what? (As you know I’m on 5 meals a day).

I’m kinda confused on exactly how cheat meal day works. I know you can do 3 courses on your cheat meal, but do you factor what you eat into your daily totals or what? Hope this last one isn’t too confusing.

Thanks!
NF

I dont know a lot about syntha 6 but having just had a quick look it doesnt look too bad but be aware that per serve its about 50% protein, and has some fibre, carbs and fat in there. This is all well and good if it fits in with your plan but just be aware taht according to a package ive seen it has(per scoop): 23g protein, 13g carbs (including 5g of fibre) and 6g fat. So just factor it in.

Nb. scoop size of ~44g.
Taste is a big factor for me too :smiley:
I have 1/2 a tub of protein in my house somewhere and I just cant stand the taste. Got some splenda recently, might toss some in and see if it improves things.

Keep posting,
Dan

Yep, I was worried it’s nutritional values weren’t the best, but I’ll be careful to factor them in. Ta. :smiley:

The taste and the price did it for me. No Splenda needed in this stuff that’s for sure. Tastes like you’re on a cheat meal!

If you can find a stockist near you they might have free sample packs like they did here. Recommend you try some. I’ve always had a sweet tooth and I can tell you I’d be gobsmacked if you were disappointed.

Catchya later.
NF

Is there an optimum time to feed your body between finishing a weights workout and consuming your PWO meal with its serve of starchy carbs?

This one is simple … the sooner, the better. 1/2 hour or less should be the goal. Bring your PWO meal to the gym if you have to. Remember that you’re shooting for a 2:1 ratio of starchy carbs to protein in that meal.

Same as above, only this time applied to eating after cardio workouts? (Without starchy carbs of course).

Resistance training gets a measured amount of starchy carbs, but your cardio does not. The meal after cardio is no different than any other.

On cheat meal day, do you eat all your daily protein, good fats, fruit requirements etc. before your once weekly cheat meal or do you stop at say Meal 4 for example and count the cheat meal as Meal 5 or what? (As you know I’m on 5 meals a day).

Follow your plan up until the cheat/treat/free meal, fully enjoy said cheat/treat/free meal, and then don’t eat again until you’re hungry. If it’s late(r) in the day, the cheat/treat/free meal may well be your last meal.

I know you can do 3 courses on your cheat meal, but do you factor what you eat into your daily totals or what? Hope this last one isn’t too confusing.

I understand the question, and no, you don’t count it or factor it in or change around the rest of your meal plan. It’s just one meal that you relax, enjoy life, the people you’re with, and the food you’re eating. No measuring, weighing or counting.

Different subject, I know Metabolic Drive is expensive over where you live, but it’s your WIFE that I was thinking of and the one I feel would most benefit, price at that point being secondary, if not totally irrelevant.

Things are coming along very nicely, NF!!! Good questions!!!

Friday again already! You know what that means, WEIGH-IN DAY.

Before I post the results, here’s a little bit about my week.

For the second week I couldn’t train as hard as I’d’ve liked. Nothing to do with wussing-out, everything to do with the iffy back I still have. It’s still pulling from just right of my spine up towards my underarm, making it feel like I’ve been stabbed, especially after workouts. Makes me feel momentarily short of breath sometimes and sitting or standing often makes it uncomfortable.

At times there’s just no respite so have to grin and bear it. When it gets that bad I cancel training simply because it’s already painful enough.

Been concentrating on honing my form but this pain still persists. There are times, often during/after workouts when I feel like something is trying to jump out of my back (more at the point towards the spine but not on it), like a weird pulsating sensation. I can handle that, but this then develops into the deep stabbing, throbbing pain described earlier which gets painful.

The pulsating sensation occasionally happens also after a swim and sometimes when I wake in the morning.

Wife seems to think it may be trapped nerve, does anyone have any ideas? Need to get to the bottom of it, we have a Physio friend we think I should have a chat to. We should see her at the hospital in the next week, poor thing, she’s another cancer patient.

Enough moaning, my week besides that was pretty good. I didn’t stray foodwise this week and upped fruit serves to 3 daily which has obviously worked wonders with sugar levels. Terry, I’ve had no dangerous, chronic sweet cravings this week! :smiley:

The protein powder has proved a bit of a help too when time is tight, though I’m careful to do my sums to ensure the added fat etc. does not hinder my diet calculations.

Terry, I know the Metabolic Drive was recommended for the wife (I talked to her about it but she’s reluctant, not about cost, she’s just like that sometimes) but the idea of using it at night if you’ve missed a meal was great advice for myself. It doesn’t happen often but it did last night!

A protein powder shake has proved much better after waking unexpectedly at midnight and realising I’ve missed a meal, rather than having to make a Tuna meal which before now always seemed to keep me awake for another 2 hours. The protein drink is made and downed in minutes and doesn’t keep me awake nearly as long when I’m wanting to get back to the ZZZ’s.

Back to the wife for a second though, despite not wanting to do the Metabolic Drive thing the good news is that her appetite is getting much more normal, her nausea is reducing and those muscles of hers must be improving because she’s even coming swimming with me now. :smiley: She gets up to 1.2km done per session now. Bloody impressive for someone on chemotherapy I reckon.

There’s no way I’d be able to do what she can. It’s fantastic to see her making such a HUGE leap forward after her track record of being physically very weak thanks to some pretty intense drugs and being laid out in bed for prolonged periods.

BIG PROUD GRIN. :smiley:

This week I’ve used swimming for cardio work. I’ve done an hour daily (2.5kms) in place of the running in order to be more gentle on the calves. I’m glad to say they’ve come good after a rest and they feel back to 100%. I’ll be running on 'em tomorrow after what seems like a looooong sabbatical. I know it’s kinda sad but I can’t wait!!!

Weights are still getting stronger (when I’ve done them!) with greater reps. Strange thing is though my bicep measurement is down this week which I’m a bit pissed about but then I put that down to fewer sessions thanks to my weird back.

The good side of the measurements is my chest which went back up in size this week. So I was pretty happy with that. Flat and Incline presses and flys are particularly stronger now, though the shoulders still crunch a bit! Oh, I burnt ANOTHER new hole in my belt on Wednesday thanks to the all-important reducing waistline! :smiley:

I’m looking forward to cheat meal tomorrow, but this week I’m not nearly as desperate for it which is probably a good thing as the cravings seem to be under control again. I’m glad to report that I’ve consumed NO sugar or naughty stuff this week, not even on our Wednesday night out; believe it or not I managed to keep the diet clean.

Still, I shan’t miss my good old cheat meal tomorrow night. And a single donut still sounds nice for dessert!

I found a great article knocking around on the web some place about how plateauing weight happens to most people at some time or another who have chosen to pursue a healthier lifestyle and more nutritious eating habits.

I’m not sure you’ve explained this to me before Tampa-Terry (you might have, apologies if you did, I just can’t have been paying close enough attention!) but they detailed the CHEAT MEAL CONCEPT and the reason WHY it must be part of your new lifestyle plan when eating healthy, trying to lose weight, get fit, build muscle etc.

I now know that once the body has acclimatised to the new healthy foods and exercise, it can slow the metabolism back down and less weight loss occurs which can result in plateauing. By eating a cheat meal once a week it gives the body something unhealthy and different from what it has more recently become accustomed to and therefore kicks the body back into increasing your metabolism again.

I know this is duffers-speak and I might not have explained this particularly well but I at least I know WHY the once-weekly cheat meal is so important in a healthy eating plan and why missing them in punishment for naughty-food-sins ain’t a good idea. :smiley: Not that I don’t take your word as good Terry, I was always unsure WHY it must be part of the weekly plan.

And like you say, they’re also there to allow you to enjoy yourself now and again, splurging, indulging and enjoying yourself with family and friends.

See, you learn something new every day. Not you lot, I’m sure you knew this simple piece of information already but I’m just a noob, remember?!

Well, that’s enough babble, I’m gonna add my stats now and go do the weekly shop.

Weight and measurements as of Friday 21st September (all changes stated are only in comparison to last week’s stats) look like this…

WEIGHT: 78.4kg = 173 lbs (down 2 lbs on last week)
R Arm: 32cm / 12.5�?? SMALLER BY 1cm (not enough weights?)
Chest: 100cm / 39.5�?? LARGER BY 1cm
Waist: 90cm / 35.5�?? SMALLER BY 1cm
Butt: 97.5cm / 38.4�?? SMALLER BY 0.5cm
R Thigh: 55cm / 21.6�?? NO CHANGE
R Calf: 40.5cm / 16�?? SMALLER BY 0.5cm

Till next time, happy lifting…
NF

***Quick question to anyone in the hope I might get an answer within 9 hours(!)…

Is there any value in going for a 45 minute run just PRIOR to my CHEAT MEAL today? I’m asking from the standpoint that it might possibly kick my metabolism before eating the naughty-foods, in a way to reduce the effect of weight-gain and use up all those extra calories faster?

G’day NF,

Been following your post - you’re showing great progress mate - keep it going!

A cardio workout before your weekly cheat meal would not hurt.

I’ve read numerous articles advocating the Cheat Meal and it makes sense from a psychological (food psychology) point of view as well as for some fitness goals (definitely NOT during Fat Loss - ha!).

One year after being in the gym, reading articles, working on my program I feel, for me personally, the cheat meal is more detrimental than beneficial. I’d rather, make normal healthy meals more tasty (adding natural flavors and ingredients) or just take a protein shake.

Oh btw, we dont get Biotest Metabolic Drive in most parts of Asia either, so just read the label on the back of the pack, look at the protein content, and just buy whatever protein powder suits you. I changed protein companies over the last year, cost and quality my two deciding factors. When I tried the BSN Syntha sample pack, it wasnt too bad at all.