Who commits more violent crime per year?
Iām just saying people are assholes and id rather have an angsty antifa teen throw (like a girl) a golf ball at me than a neckbearded incel white supremacist drive a buick over me. YMMV.
Which demographics are overwhelmingly subjected to a rigged economic system where crime or death are their only ways out? Itās the same answer. Cause and effectā¦growing up in a violent and poor neighborhood where your life is usually at stake doesnāt allow you many chances to be a do-gooder.
Yeah, Iād agree with that sentiment.
When the gun is pointed at you, all that matters is, the gun is pointed at you.
So should certain groups be allowed to commit violent crimes then? What is the solution?
Jesus Christ, Zecarlo. Stop trying to inject practicality into a theoretical argument about needed systemic change. When the gun is pointed at me, Iāll start worrying. White people can be criminals too.
But for now, I donāt think most people would have a gun pointed at anybody for no good reason.
I guess if I was hungry, had no chance at getting a job and couldnāt find anything to eat on the dirty fucking street that Iād be holding people at gunpoint to get something to eat. Either that, or Iād be selling the drugs my parents have been doing since I was a child living in poverty. Both would land me in prison, but my alternative would be death.
@chris_ottawa the solution is literally invoking systemic change to prevent the need for most financially-motivated crime to occur. Certain groups should be fed and clothed instead of being thrown in animalistic cages with rapists and serial killers for failing to thrive in a place that breeds nothing but death and destruction. I donāt know how anybody could see this differently. Is it not a question of basic human decency?
You obviously didnāt read this thread before jumping in
Or getting a job, which is obviously worse
In Canada the rapists and serial killers are in protective custody because the other guys will kill them.
Iām talking to Zecarlo there.
If people of color stuck in impoverished neighborhoods could readily get jobs, what would make them more prone to shooting somebody or committing a crime than an unemployed white person? Thereās no work to be had besides drug dealing or else the neighborhood wouldnāt be incredibly trashy. I donāt think the majority of people wake up and decide to be criminals when they could work a 9-5 instead.
I donāt think those same protections are afforded here, nor should they be for certain heinous individuals.
Yes, and heās made about a hundred posts in this thread on the environment these poor people are raised in. Heās not in any way blaming things on their skin tone and origin. Thatās why Chris said you hadnāt been following the thread for a while.
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Yikes, I didnāt read far enough back. Sorry @zecarlo, I hope I didnāt stick my foot too far in my mouth. From what I was inferring, I came to that conclusion but I was wrong. Let me go edit that post. My apologies for slandering you like that, because thatās a heavy accusation and I had no idea youād made those posts beforehand because I didnāt look back far enough.
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Someone said that?
Trump did. He never publicly acknowledged the white supremacist issue at that Charlottesville rally. He barely discussed the murderer until he was pressed by the reporter questioning him.
Read them through for yourself. He also defends the alt-right by discussing the alt-left.
Reporter : āMr. President, are you putting what youāre calling the alt-left and white supremacists on the same moral plane?ā
Trump : "Iām not putting anybody on a moral plane. What Iām saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs ā and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.
"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left ā you just called them the left ā that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but thatās the way it is.
Reporter : (Inaudible) āā¦ both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --ā
Trump : āYes, I think thereās blame on both sides. If you look at both sides ā I think thereās blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you donāt have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say.ā
Reporter : āThe neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --ā
Trump : āExcuse me, excuse me. They didnāt put themselves ā and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.ā
My argument was in response to police disproportionately killing black suspects. Why there are so many black men and boys who are violent criminals has nothing to do with it.
You need to spend some time in the ghetto. Most violent crimes have nothing to do with survival but with stupidity, poor judgement, no impulse control, sociopathy and low cognitive ability (what was once called retarded). Are they the result of poverty, yes. But letās not pretend the American ghettos are anything like Brazilian favelas, Darfur or Fallujah.
You must have forgotten to include the part where he called the guy that ran over people, one of āmany fine people.ā
This is not true. There are also schools where you can get a free education so you can go out and get a job, wherever the job is.
Now that Iāve further considered Trumpās Trumpian comment from years ago thatās been seared into our national memory, Iāve concluded that by āfine peopleā on both sides, he must mean the absolute worst, most unrepentant racist scum that walks among us. I donāt really see how anyone could interpret what he said otherwise. If weāve learned anything by now, it is that Trump was DEFINITELY emboldening white supremacists to step out of the shadows and act with that comment from several years ago.
Iām feeling a lot better about all of the rioting, not just in Portland, but in all kinds of cities like Fort Fucking Wayne. Especially in the middle of the pandemic, when itās more important than ever to call it peaceful protesting.
I read about militias forming to keep their neighborhoods safe in Minneapolis, but Iām sure itās all exaggerated nonsense. Probably some white supremacists finally stepping out of the shadows to act against the peaceful protesters, just like the McCloskeys did in St. Louis. Luckily they are being charged by a justice-minded prosecutor who is able to interpret their actions through the correct lens of race-based power structures, independent of any established legal notions of self-defense.
That narrative should be an easy sell for a lot of people who still desperately want to believe that white supremacists are the real cause of All Of The Bad Things.
Itās true, after all.
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Thereās no more powerful group on earth.
Itās true. When I say, āThere are many fine people in Florida,ā I mean that Ted Bundy was a fine individual.
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There are white people shooting and committing crimes too, if they are less prone to it then Iām really not sure why. Cultural difference perhaps.
A lot of them donāt want to work. And even if you have a hard time finding a job, thatās hardly an excuse for killing people.
I donāt know what goes on in US prisons but I hear there are a lot of guys raping each other.
Itās not always rape.