It can’t be talked about. See how Don Lemon attacked Terry Crews for bringing it up.
I think a black man’s opinion on an issue about black men is important, especially when it doesn’t follow the groupthink or orthodoxy.
But true.
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I can post some stories but it’s piece-meal and I am relying on the media, so assume the lies first…
Burning people’s shit isn’t ok either, but we’re talking deaths. There have been over 20 at last count, but nobody is keeping a comprehensive list, so you kind of have to piece it together.
Talking to New Yorkers, the corona fears have driven people out, but the recent spike in violence has driven many, many more. That’s anecdotal, but that’s from people who live there.
“All I hear is fireworks and sirens at night and moving trucks during the day. I am moving to Dallas in the next month.”
Check the listings on Zillow, it’s crazy…
My info is anecdotal as well. But no one has ever moved to NYC to feel safe haha. Folks move their because the City has so much cool stuff going on… that stuff hasnt been happening since early March, and wont be happening for the foreseeable future. Who the heck wants to pay sky high rent/mortgages to live in an area will all the problems of a big city, but none of the benefits and no outside yard to go to in quarantine?
As for the deaths associated with the protests, a number of them are protesters being run over, and at least a few others where the smart money is on gang violence.
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I think a black man’s opinion on an issue about black men is important, especially when it doesn’t follow the groupthink or orthodoxy.
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But true.
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Agree here.
And I am carrying my East Coast liberalism with me, cuz Texas would be great - if it weren’t for all of the damn conservatives.
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As far as deaths are concerned, I am only counting the one’s directly involved with the violence in the context of BLM “protests”. I am not counting the Eritrean guy who, seemingly accidentally ran over protesters on the interstate, for instance.
Yeah, I imagine your right about why people would want to live in NYC. It looked like a nice place to visit. I sure as hell don’t want to go now.
What do you think of CA’s ballot measure to repeal prop 209?
That’s why I said they need to stay there and deal with it. Don’t bring that crap to my neighborhood.
The last thing I want is somebody who contributed to the ruin of a great city and bring that ideology into my little corner and ruin it too.
They elected De lousy-o, they are out there chanting ‘defund the police’ and when the over gets hot they leave, thinking that commie thinking is still good, it just wasn’t done right, again.
I live two states north nowadays. Don’t have much insight on CA politics, but I would imagine any policy put in place 25 years ago is due for a review and update.
I would read the initiative. It’s not long, but it’s a reversal of the anti-discrimination laws in the CA constitution. I.E. repealing anti-discrimination laws, with no replacement or amendment.
I find it rather scary.
Did you visit the CHAZ?
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i would guess there is a lot more to the story than just a repeal, hard stop. I dont have the time for a deep dive.
Drove by the CHOP a couple times doing my normal stuff in Seattle and the Cap hill neighborhood. My fiance went there a couple of times, and i have a couple staff I talk to daily that live a block or two from it. It was very dramatized by most news outlets. If you have questions im happy to share my experience and thoughts, but others on here have repeatedly shouted me down for not sharing their utterly dystopian view of it.
Why did some people openly carry guns? It couldn’t have been to defend from an outside threat like the police or national guard.
That was their reasoning. Defend against authorities using force to dismantle the CHOP. Really, it was like anyone who open carries an AR15… to look and feel tacticool.
I am experiencing the same thing with my personal experiences and what I see in the news. The news would make it seems as though Minneapolis is a pile of rubble now, and that our only store options are bullet farm and gas town which we get to in our cars with monster truck tires.
But it turned out to be the opposite.
I get what it was. It was party time! I have caroused the Grateful Dead parking lots, in a time much better than this one, where people occupied spaces and set up shop. There were games, revelry, nitrous balloons and a general good time. But they lasted for 3 days and were legally occupying spaces they paid for. And fortunately, it was mostly apolitical. ‘Everybody’s dancing in a ring around the sun…’
I am sure the smell of pot and vegan patties and everybody holding hands and dancing was nice, for a couple of days.
The problem is they took over space that didn’t belong to them and declared it another country. And it’s all fun and games until someone gets hurt. And way too many people got hurt and it went from stupid fun to really bad, pretty quick.
It’s also easy to have a happy space where everyone is ideologically homogeneous. I am pretty sure, even a well intentioned Trump supporter would have been met with ill will at best.
Most importantly, they took over property that did not belong to them and did manage to immiserate the local population, eventually if not immediately.
If you want to rent space and have a festival, go nuts and have a good time. Don’t take over other people’s shit. That’s why I disagreed with the whole thing, even if, in the beginning it was mostly innocent fun.
FWIW im not sure how much private property they actually took over as the ROW extends to building face in that area, but that’s not super important to your point… which i get. And im not arguing the CHOP was a great thing where only good happened and everyone was affected for the better. My generalized point is that it wasnt some dystopian apocalypse that a lot of media portrayed and many folks on here bought into.
I think we are agreeing to agree… 
This kind of apology is the type of thinking that enables loonies to think they can do what they did in CHOP and get away with it. I don’t know what your definition of a dystopian apocalypse is, but it must be very different to the average person?
How many people that actually lived in the zone do you think wanted it to be taken over, let alone had a say in the matter. If I had to guess it would be no more than 10%.There was no democracy, only mob rule, enforced with the threat of violence, or actual violence.
Did you not hear about the armed groups going around to white peoples residences and “requesting” reparations for black people? Guess what happened if they didn’t comply? Serious physical and sexual assaults.
Dystopia anyone?
You’re just wrong on a number of things in this post. And you’ll have to excuse me for not responding further to a screen name that suggested black folks should move back to Africa if they felt mistreated in their current country.