George Floyd Riots

And it still remains stupid. This is hardly the first time of unrest in American history. I mean we had our White House burnt down and killed massive amounts of Americans in a Civil War. But we won’t survive this? It’s been the end of times for forever for this country. And you’ll still be around saying “Romans!” ten years from now.

Lol ok. You’re convinced our country has been shit for a long time ever since we had immigrants who weren’t white. This country has been shit for a long time by your metrics. But your details yet again are lacking. And they apparently don’t matter to you. Australia must not have anything going on if your majoring in fictional US studies.

But hey it seems like you went from trying to convince me you were right to trying to convince me I’m wrong for telling you about it.

The name came from the guy that owned the warehouse they rented on the West coast when Nintendo was first getting ready to start marketing to the US. The landlord’s name was “Mario”, and the character in the videogame didn’t have a name yet. As much of a caricature as it is, I think Italians are less offended by that than they are by pineapple on pizza.

I’ve never played any Mario videogames but isn’t he a heroic character?

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My apologies hardartery, the forum seems to want me to reply to you rather than the intended Hfactor, so please disregard.

H you won’t believe until you’re up to your neck in it and its effecting you directly. The fall of Rome didn’t happen overnight, it was a gradual process of eroding standards, and beliefs, over a long period of time. They were in denial too. Its not a matter of you not surviving “it” this time, its the slow cumulative march over time, chipping away. The America you new in times of trouble were at least united, into 2 groups so you could clearly see who the enemy was.

You still seem to be avoiding the Yuri Bezmenov question I have already asked you about twice. Are ignorant or lazy, or both?

No worries about forum wonkiness. This is a good point actually. It is kind of startling the similarities between the end of Rome and society at large in the West right now. At least according to Will Durant’s writing.

Lmfao. Ok dude. You’re right. People have been predicting the end of America since America began. Now is just as good a time as any to say this is when it all ends. The cool thing is eventually one day someone is probably going to be right!

The end of the world and the end of America have both been predicted for forever. You aren’t the first and you won’t be the last. It must be nice to live in a country with zero issues so you can fully focus on ones somewhere else. Your concern and devotion to studying and trying to warn us is noted. Just maybe check on your information a bit so your warnings are grounded in facts?

I thought he died in the early 90’s. Goddamnit I was probably misled is he the one in Seattle building all the Lenin statues? That’s how they get you. They fake like they are against communism then they fake a death and the next thing you know they have full erections while they are erecting statues of Lenin!

I don’t know what the Yuri Bezmenov question was and I’m not particularly interested in it. I popped in and corrected a mistake, not looking to turn it into some massive debate over what someone said in the 80’s or something and what that means about 2020. Knock yourself out though. Oh man watch this old YouTube video and see what’s happening!!! He was right!

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How do you think we swing back to sanity as a nation from this point? What happens to turn the tide?

Fuck if I know. Maybe we’re fucked. But I’m not going to sit here and pretend like this is the first time we’ve had a bunch of adversity. We think it’s worse than ever before because we’re living it. And I have to laugh my fucking ass off over at least we were united in two sides or something during the Civil War.

I mean we’re in the midst of a global pandemic. People were already pissed and they are sitting on their asses with the power of the internet. Which you can see from this thread alone has people who are probably more informed than most regularly sharing demonstrably false information. Often not even on purpose but because they read something or watched something somewhere and didn’t think that maybe what they read or watched wasn’t true. We really (I think it’s not just Americans) have a hard time avoiding this if it fits how we want to believe things are.

We have a President who isn’t even remotely interested in acting like a leader. In fact he stokes chaos every chance he can. And the responses to him are often chaotic and misguided as well.

But if we want to pretend that this is the first time a lot of people said the country has lost their sanity then we’re absolutely ignoring history. We made it through a “Kenyan born Muslim.” We made it through the “Iraq lie” and the Great Recession. We made it through Vietnam and the Civil Rights movement. The Spanish flu pandemic, two world wars, the Great Depression, etc. Oh but this is far worse than that! Well yeah that’s easy to say. We can get on the internet and read bad things and see bad things. We have a front row view of the evils of the entire world. But something tells me those of us who think wearing a mask to a grocery store is a massive burden would have really struggled during the Great Depression. And I bet if you time traveled people from back then to today they wouldn’t say send me back a few people are looting!

Maybe we’re fucked whatever that means. Maybe we haven’t ever been sane as a nation? Probably depends on who you’re asking right? But I believe the country is incredibly resilient and that has proven time and time again.

I don’t have any idea about what to do. What makes sense to me is to elect moderates. Stop demanding party unity. Stop putting people in boxes. Hell I’m guilty of this at times no doubt I think we all are. But not everyone who leans right is a Nazi and not everyone who leans left is a socialist. Elect people who say they will work across the aisle. This used to be a value.

Maybe that won’t/can’t happen. Maybe the world is too far gone. Preachers and thinkers throughout time have picked dates that the apocalypse was going to happen. And some have always believed them because hey how can you deny the signs. And so far not a one has been correct.

I’m from a small town and I often went to a gas station/tire shop/oil change place throughout my life. My dad played cards there in the morning on the weekends when I was young and I sat in another room watching TV. I even worked there through college. And all the old retired guys the people who were farmers or worked in the city would always talk about how horrible everything was. “Can’t believe gas is this high, who the hell voted for Bush, Clinton, Bush, this economy has gone to hell, etc.”.

My point is that people saying it’s awful now is hardly new or unique. Even boom times statistically people during those times are often unhappy about their wealth or position in society. I’m sure my daughter will talk about how much better things used to be when she was a kid just like every other adult tends to say.

You can search this very board for people saying it was the end of everything America while Bush was in power, then while Obama was, now Trump. The only reason you can’t do that for Clinton, Bush 1, Reagan, Carter, etc? The board didn’t exist.

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I thought the board did exist late in the Clinton era. But maybe it was just the website and not the forum, I can’t remember. I started reading Testosterone.net in 1999.

Everyone just pray to whatever God or higher power you believe in. Hell, pray to yourself. I don’t bother watching the news anymore. Too depressing and obviously biased. Maybe we should focus on taking care of ourselves? I don’t know how people are worrying about US politics and a global pandemic and taking care of their families and working from home and being the next Twitter activist. I couldn’t do all of that. Half the people you see around you are probably miserable and feel obligated to uphold some kind of virtue signal. I propose that we take care of ourselves and let the country fall if it has to, I guess. Not sure that we can create change by worrying about all of this - it’s just too overwhelming and coming from all angles/sides.

Systemic problems exist here, nobody is really denying that. What’s the point in acknowledging them so overwhelmingly and without end? Our votes don’t even count. Can we even direct our efforts towards a better future?

I don’t know about everyone else, but I feel pretty powerless here.

@Beyond_Beyond
This is an issue near me. I wonder if those who have a gripe with this dead man will stop going to parks and using highways he developed. In the article it says his policies targeted Jews and blacks. Moses himself was Jewish.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/patch.com/new-york/babylonvillage/amp/28813812/poll-should-babylon-villages-robert-moses-statue-be-taken-down

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I agree with almost everything you said.

I’m simply disheartened by where this country is going. People are growing incredibly stupid on both sides of the aisle and it’s showing no signs of slowing down.

Everything from the president, to the pandemic, to the protests/riots…nobody uses their brains anymore.

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Interesting. Unless a Jewish person in the western world is very orthodox with clothing and behaviour they are just as likely going to be lumped in with WASPS by default.
There is no common sense with leftists, they will happily call a Jewish person that disagrees with them a Nazi. They are massive hypocrites.

I don’t know how widespread it is, in the real world but I have seen a lot of antisemitism from the radical black American community, on the internet. If its not the whites fault, then apparently its the Jews, seems pretty common.

I wish people would leave statues alone. Learn from them, times change, but they are still part of our shared history, whether good or bad. Leftists only seem to like destroying things, they have no respect for someone that actually achieves something, or builds a legacy

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I wonder if they will think mission accomplished; racism defeated and the inner cities will be like Mayberry, all without them having to set foot in the ghetto.

All these white people complain about systemic racism yet, when it came time for them to buy a home, they chose a location that had few, if any, blacks. How many celebrities, black or white, chose to live around black people? Yet, they are scolding the rest of us for our sins from on high.

He “targeted” the poor. I think it’s very hard for people to have a nuanced conversation on race and racism that looks at things in context. It’s just amazing how this younger generation can whine about being judged because they all have their own truth (and label any sort of judgment with “shaming” or accuse anyone who judges/critiques/has an opinion with exercising some form of privilege) yet, they are the most judgmental people you will meet.

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This has nothing to do with race anymore (if it ever did). This is just about destroying America.

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I am of the opinion that it does have to do with race, but the protesters in this case are just dumb. I mean, you decapitate the statue of an abolitionist, who died fighting the confederacy, because the guy was white?

IMO, they saw a white statue and were ready to act. Never stopped to think.

It’s about the left’s disdain for greatness. I don’t know how many comments I’ve read in the New York Times comment section saying “All men are equal. There shouldn’t be statues of anyone”. Admitting that some people are more accomplished than they are makes them feel icky and so they destroy it.

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Yes to both however, it’s not that they are too dumb to differentiate between abolitionists and slave owners; they believe white men are inherently evil and any reference to them needs to be erased. Even a supposedly good white man was still part of a government and system that oppressed other people. Just as all cops are bad, all straight white males are bad. Straight male white privilege makes no distinction between members of that group.

I am not convinced that this is a thing of notable proportions. I haven’t heard anyone on the left say anything of the sort, but have heard those on the right say it about those on the left.

Except George Floyd.

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