I wonder, what will be said to the first “trained crisis response professional” who gets beaten within an inch of her life?
Sorry about that. We meant well by sending you unarmed into a dangerous situation. At least nobody was oppressed by the police.
There are no concrete ideas being proposed that I’ve heard. Just a bunch of hysteria and policy positions that can’t stand up to even basic levels of scrutiny. That’s why anyone scrutinizing any of this nonsense, up to and including BLM’s overtly Marxist social poison, is immediately labeled a “racist”. That’s why stating facts, as uncomfortable as they may be, can get you banned from social media platforms.
“Defund the police” and “Listen to community leaders” is not a solution. What do community leaders know about use of force situations? What gives them special problem-solving abilities that shape the outcomes of violent struggles?
This father is a moron. What a great way to scare your kid, make her fear the cops and put her in danger. Also, the perspective of the photo makes it look like the cop is pointing his weapon at her but look at his eyes; he isn’t looking at her. This is another picture from a different angle.
But they won’t tell people where donation money goes or the salaries of their staff. Reddit actually banned posters who asked their managing director where the money went or what BLM was doing about black on black crime.
Of course this is absolutely relevant, and it only shows how automaton-like the usual tropes are being regurgitated, thanks to a constant drip of malignant misinformation by the hostile media complex.
Case 1: A baby is being brutally killed by laughing policemen.
Case 2: A career criminal, who has lethal doses of illegal drugs in his bloodstream, resists arrest and is being restrained, the dies.
Totally the same thing?
And who said the police knew he had no pulse? That’s quite the accusation! If I recall correctly (not totally sure here), they immediately called for an ambulance.
As to the kneeling, this was standard procedure in that precinct, thanks to career criminals like Floyd George. Other countries don’t get the overly methodical violence US police has to use because frankly, they lack the calibre of criminals. Watch a few arrest videos. All of these Floyd types resist, shout that they are innocent and can’t breath/are hurting. How should a police even operate under such conditions, according to you? Abolish police?
Finally, the officers were schooled in applying the correct amount of pressure. If you watch MMA or grappling, you know that estimating the exact angle of a submission is highly speculative if you only have one perspective - even if you know the submission yourself inside out. It may look that someone is going to sleep, but from a better perspective, it’s clear that he has plenty of space. And this goes for pros choking weak points with full force. What the police uses is NOT a lethal maneuver and is used to hold a subject in place!
Solutions dont work unless you try them, learn from them, and improve them. You are dismissing anything and everything out of hand by looking at absolute worst cast scenarios only. From my POV, its obvious as to why.
The focus of BLM is on systematic racism and police brutality against black folks. Their are many other organizations focused on black-black violence. You seem stuck on BLM not focusing on the issues you think are MOST important. that doesnt mean that what they are focusing on isnt important.
Those photos posted above are clearly from different moments. Pretty easy to scan a crowd with the barrell from a beanbag gun and cross over that toddler. Agreed with whoever said bad parenting.
Its a tough thing to judge past actions based upon current ethical standards. I am usually not in favor of it if the distasteful aspect was a minor point in the historical figures biography.
That said, i will never for the life of me understand why the confederate flag is so revered by many of the same folks who call Kapernick and Co. traitors for kneeling during the anthem. The confederate flag is the flag of traitors and slavers. full stop.
IDK, tearing down a public statue commemorating someone in a positive light who is defined by being a traitor and/or slaver isnt the worst thing in the world. Id personally rather have the statue turned into a living memorial for the horrors of slavery and/or the civil war… same way that Auschwitz and other holocaust sites have been preserved.
And i certainly agree that riots and mobs damaging towns is no good and should not be condoned. But, a mob looting and damaging businesses is a lot different, in my mind, from that same mob tearing down a statue of a traitor/slaver in a public park and leaving everything else untouched… as unlikely as that would be.
“We now have the audio from the police bodycam and we hear where one officer says he doesn’t have a pulse, maybe we should turn him on his side. But yet, Officer Chauvin says ‘no, we’re going to keep him in this position.’
How do you figure that he is a career criminal? Even then, what difference does it make? The cops don’t run a background check on you and then decide how you should be dealt with. Even if he was a career criminal it doesn’t justify what happened.
Yeah, this guy was right up there with El Chapo and the Gambinos.
For something as radical as “defund the police”, I think most people will ask for some kind of explanation about how one thing leads to another. It seems like we’re being asked to accept this as a good thing, absent any coherent explanation of why.
Presumably, something takes place in between a city council like Minneapolis voting to disband the police and all of the many improved future outcomes. Can you explain what takes place in those steps I don’t seem to understand?
I briefly offered a possible way that “defunding” aka reallocating budget would look. You then assumed the absolute worst case scenario and outcome in your argument against the high level idea i proposed and dismissed all related ideas and said that “there are no concrete ideas being proposed”.
If new or opposing ideas are just flatout dismissed before being understood or explored im not sure why im in this thread.
BLM doesnt specifically mention black men for the same reason they dont explicitly mention white people. This is the same deal as someone not understadning why BLM isnt All Lives Matter.
Trayvon Martin was killed by a guy who thought he was a cop… the neighborhood watch. You can easily see how that is related.
Im not going to argue that BLM is focused on the issue that will help the black community most. But the issue they are focused on is an issue that will help the black community. From my outsiders perspective is seems like they are focused on fixing the disease of institutional and systematic inequality in the hopes that the symptoms of high crime rates, poor education, drugs etc are remedied down the road. Its a cure the disease, dont just treat the symptoms type of approach.
But what about the existing criminal element? Are they going to call a time out while the community peace officers change a culture born from crime and poverty?
And do want that to be done by marxists with an anti straight male agenda?
If you want to see what happens when you have a severely underfunded police force then watch this video. The two cops who responded to the robbery were both shot, hostages taken from the scene, no backup came and nobody was ever charged.
