This is interesting:
Every Person Arrested In Saint Paul Last Night Was From Out Of State, Mayor Says
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Habeas corpus is one of them yes. But in most protests I see that later turn into riots you have a lot of people there for the right reasons (according to themselves). You then have the instigators, who turn the stew into a riot, and then you have the opportunists who use the mess to loot, etc.
I do not believe that if youâre at âground zeroâ that you should be charged with what the other groups of people are doing, which is what it seems the law you spoke of allows. Using this law, any government can define a protest in terms they want in order to then subsequently arrest whoever they like. Protest with some bad actors in a crowd? Redefine the protest as a riot and now everyone can get charged together. I think it has the potential to stifle legitimate gatherings and protests.
I may have completely misunderstood the law, Iâm just going by what I heard from you. I was actually unaware of it prior.
The thing here is that when the police kill a black person under questionable circumstances, other black people get upset. When the same thing happens to a white person, other white people tend to side with the police most of the time. Seems to me like a lot of white people love the government too much.
Regardless of what race you are, if you are a citizen you can vote for someone who you think might do a better job of representing you(admittedly all the choices are usually pretty bad, one might be slightly better than the others).
Whilst I think we are over regulated by government, does anyone seriously think society would be better without police? If there are better options Iâd like to hear the argument?
The policeman whose actions led to the death of Mr Floyd is not going to get away with the unlawful taking of his life. The policemanâs best option is to try and plead manslaughter, but even then, due to the callous indifference he showed he will get serious jail time.
There are plenty of cases where a white person is mistakenly, or unlawfully killed by police. They just are not publicised anywhere near the same level as a BLM incident. And most white people donât automatically side with police, unless perhaps the person was perpetrating a criminal act, or strongly resisting arrest(regardless of the individuals race).
Iâm not arguing for a society without police, if that were to happen then criminals would do as they please and things would be much worse for nearly everyone. What I think is that the police need to be held to a higher standard, there are too many incidents of police brutality and killings like this one and in many cases the cop is never charged or beat the charges even when clearly guilty. A lot of it has to do with cops covering for one another. If you as a cop are committing crimes or covering up for those who do then you are no better than any other criminal out there.
BLM is one particular organization, and I havenât seen anything about them lately. Unless I missed something, this has nothing to do with BLM. I see BLM as a problem because they are all about the black vs. white narrative and white bystanders are regularly attacked at their protests, they turn a societal problem (police brutality) into a black vs. white issue and make more white people side with dirty cops because the option is being beaten and robbed by a mob of black people.
As bad as this situation is, itâs a multi-racial riot so at least itâs not leading a race war or anything like that.
I donât know, you would have to do some real research to conclusively prove one way or another but my perception is that they do mostly side with police. When was the last time you heard of a mob of white protesters protesting a white victim of police brutality?
This is irrelevant. Even if America was by far the best place exponentially for blacks to live why wouldnât we want the experience for blacks in America to improve?
This is always brought up when weâre talking about racism, womenâs rights, gay rights, whatever. âItâs worse somewhere else!â Ok sure. So we should just tell people who are experiencing injustice that they should be damn well happy with the level of injustice they have? Such a stupid point to bring into these conversations and almost solely brought up by people who tend to be against those groups.
Youâve already let us know your thoughts on immigrants and a shrinking white majority in a previous thread so I know full well where your thoughts on this would be. But please spare us the âoh but itâs so bad elsewhereâ drivel. It doesnât change anything at all.
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Its not irrelevant just because you say so. Please spare us your America is the worst place in the world to live drivel, so right back at you.
Once again no ones saying that changes canât be made to help improve life for African Americans, or any other citizen that might need some help. It can be done on economic terms, whether an individual actually needs financial or legal help, rather than on race alone. We are either all equal, or some are more equal than others. Which one do you want it to be?
Plenty of blacks are doing well for themselves(still in the minority though), they donât need, or want anyoneâs help, or money. They might be peacefully protesting, but they are also not the ones rioting either.
Immigrants donât have to be from a certain race to be good or bad. Its mainly the overall numbers and how the change in demography effects the existing population. Some cultures will have a negative effect if that culture is incompatible with the western way. Not exclusively a racial thing. You think if 20 million white Russians, pro communism, came over in 10 years that wouldnât have some kind of negative repercussions for the existing population?
They would get along just fine in the Democrat states.
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I never said that. Not once in the history of the forum. And it is irrelevant. The topic is about an incident that happened in the United States. If you read the OP it mentions nothing about anything else. Your whataboutism has already been pointed out, but letâs not also pretend itâs necessary to examine it in here.
Youâve implied it by taking the opposite position. Where is a better place to live, and why are you not trying to go there?
Once again just cause you say its irrelevant doesnât necessarily make it so.
Pot calling kettle black. You know what they say, if you canât handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Oh and please tell me when there was a better time to live in America for any minority group?Donât try and take me out of context either. I wonât hold my breath waiting.
I just skimmed through the comments, but Iâll throw in my 2-whiteassmaleamerican-cents on the matter.
Disclaimer: My opinion and judgement has changed dramatically, almost hourly since this all popped off. These are just my current views with the information Iâve been given. They are definitely going to change as we move forward.
The true issue isnt race here, its abuse of power and blatant disrespect from officers and feds. Sure, race plays a role; and a fairly large one even. It is also the most covered, and most responded to. However, its abusive power from those meant âto protect and serveâ that is the core value. Unfortunately all the racist bottom feeders like to come out at times like this, and escalate the fires, so now it is about race.
I completely agree with @chris_ottawa 's take. Iâm not necessarily for the looting. But I fully support the destruction of the police department. Itâs the intelligent, relative move, with the most impact. That being said, while no irrefutable evidence, there is a lot of videos and heresay about the auto zone being smashed by the white dude that may or may not have been a cop. Also, itâs well assumed the target was broken into as a result of people being tear gassed and needing something to wash their face (milk obviously being a first choice). Like I said, its shaky at best, but there is light evidence of it.
Which brings me to my next pointâŠ
That majority of the true âriotsâ breaking out amongst these cities, seems to start when the tear gas starts flying. It just happened here in Raleigh NC. You have these communities; protesting for equality, justice, and accountability; then they get fucking pegged with high velocity bean bags and gassed. So they fucking riot. I mean⊠yeah. It makes sense. In that specific instance, burn it to the fucking ground. People are wanting to be heard, and the feds are popping them on the nose and telling them to go home⊠that doesnt sit well with a brutal murder at the forefront.
Look; I personally wouldnât riot. I havent had anything effect my life aggressively enough for me to find any productivity in it. And i feel for the small business. Really, I do. But these people are being heard. Protests have hit what, like 40 states? Thatâs remarkable. I dont support the means, but i cant argue the effect itâs currently having.
Edit* I swear my typing would be much more elegant, but this forum fucking melts my phone.
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I have done no such thing you invented that out of thin air. I said it had no place in the discussion because it doesnât. I have way too many posts on this board over a number of years. If I have said America is the worst place to live please quote me and I will apologize.
No it is irrelevant and more than one person has pointed this out to you. Read the OP. Do you think he wanted to know about courts in China or the Middle East?
Oh. I thought they said if you want to discuss a racial incident in Minnesota the logical place to start is with an Iraqi court.
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I have deliberately avoided news for a while now and have not informed myself on the beginnings of the riots themselves (beyond the killing of Floyd itself). I donât particularly have a desire to participate in this thread either - but if this is what happened then I absolutely understand why things popped off.
Day 1: May 26
Minneapolis protesters marching on May 26, the day after Floydâs death
Protests emerged during midday on May 26, the day after Floydâs death. Hundreds of people marched to the MPD 3rd Precinct police station to voice their frustration with the Minneapolis police. The protest turned violent as the 3rd Precinct became vandalized with spray paint, and police squad cars had rocks thrown at them. In what appeared to be a standoff around 8:00 p.m. that night, police in riot gear fired beanbag rounds and chemical agents at protesters, who threw water bottles at them.
Irrelevant round two. Fuck I wonder why a mod just didnât close the thread immediately. Whatâs the point of even talking about this when itâs better than 50 years ago? Why did the Civil Rights movement even need to happen? Name a better time for blacks in America before 1960? You donât think blacks in 1850 wouldnât have been way happier in 1960?
Itâs worse elsewhere and itâs better than it used to be are the lines of people who do not believe in progress. Itâs fine if you donât believe in progress, but itâs irrelevant to the discussion. Yet again read the OP. If you would like to start a blog a lot of free sites exist where you can do that. On most message boards people talk about the topic of the thread title.
Re protesters form out of state, I imagine every snowflake and outraged Karen from Seattle/Portland /Oregon etc is racing over right now. That is all.
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Definitely not all the riots, hence my wording. Also a lot of the general protests have just been disbanded after being gassed. It unfortunately doesnt change the fact that a lot of these governors and feds are firing first.
Iâm actually pretty gray on the initial riot. Thatâs a LOT of emotion and general anger bottled up in a couple of square miles. Whether or not itâs right, its generally understandable.
Iâm not some white knight for the rioting community, a lot of these people are fucking parasites taking advantage of what they can, flying in the face of the overarching message. I just cant help but understand; not the exact feeling they are having, but the raw emotion behind it.
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I think they are a bunch of whiners. Donât they know how much worse it is for some people in other countries and how much worse it used to be? Seems to me like they should appreciate the fact that the injustices they face arenât even higher! These are the lucky ones.
Yeah, I dont know where this âgood enoughâ mentality started, but itâs a plague.
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