It’s kind of hard to mock him now. In fact, I would bet if given the choice between a riot or someone taking a knee, most would choose the knee.
If you think about Colin, it came down to two things: athletes should just play the game and let’s discredit what he is demonstrating against. Well, it just got harder to do the latter which makes the former seem more reasonable.
I think it’s loathsome to put protesting and rioting in the same category.
I’m all for protesting, attended several against the WTO and Iraq war. I’m not even against civil disobedience, such as blocking streets. But, as a first responder, blocking streets can mean blocking ambulances, which can mean lives lost.
Rioting should be dealt with aggressively and harshly. I think the rioting we are seeing is the usual antifa bullshit with a heavy dose of run of the mill criminality sprinkled in. I was glad to read about the arrest of the two sisters for throwing a molotov cocktail at the police van, and their pending murder charges.
Not American, but a keen interest in America and American history, hell a keen interst in what’s going on in the rest of the world. Very aware of Black history, you can’t avoid it. It gets drummed into the whole world through years of propaganda in movies, tv and the news. It was definitely justified up to a certain point in history with slavery, segregation. The people causing all the trouble now haven’t experienced the worst of it, and are just using the memory of it to justify bad behaviour. You rarely saw even a hint of it the 70’s , 80’s and 90’s, it was everyone just trying to get along. Then people realised there is currency in victimhood, and could be used to leverage the rest of society.
Interesting response, would you mind elaborating?
I get the habeas corpus issue, but I had thought this was a fairly sensible workaround to the problems of identifying the culprit in a mass of criminality. Seems to me to be an extension of common purpose (not sure if that’s also a thing over there), whereby you’re guilty of a crime committed by a group of people intent on crime, even if you yourself didn’t actually do the deed. So joining a looting and vandalising mob, you’d be held liable for looting and vandalising, even if all you did was kick over a bin.
Its the internet, you are free to make untruthful statements to fit your own narrative all you like and then try and place the burden of proving you false on everyone who disputes you. Hell, POTUS loves doing that. Hopefully you understand that you, and your argument lose all credibility though.
Where? If you’re talking America I think you have some reading to do.
So you don’t think violent protests have ever led to positive change? Correct me if I’m wrong, seriously, but that’s what it seems you’re saying.
If its so bad in America for black people, why is it almost none go back to live in Africa? The reality is while there are issues in America for black people, they have all the same rights as everyone else. Hell they probably have more advantages to getting a free or subsidised education, positive discrimination in getting government jobs, than any other race in the States. Maybe all the issues people suffer are not always about race at all.
Um…no.
Compared to how it is now, there is no comparison.
Agreed. I don’t think(?) anyone in here is saying they support rioting. I think the furthest anyone has gone is to suggest the understand and empathize with wanting to riot, but i think everyone aggrees that violent, destructive rioting does nothing but harm. Which is one of the reasons why i tried, and failed, to post the video of Killer Mike’s speech in the OP.
I also agree, and i think this has been shown in the Minnesota riots, that most of the folks doing damage are 3rd party anarchist/antifa folks that are just there for the mayhem, not the actual cause. It is unfortunate.
Oh man. You just made the argument that because black folks lives are better in america than in Africa they should be happy with what they have and take any abuse or oppression that comes their way and just say “gee, atleast we aren’t in Africa”.
Wow. When someones true colors come to light it can sure be ugly.
This is the weirdest race riot ever. It seems like 2/3 of the rioters in the live feeds I’ve watched are white. Which gives lie to the venting of racial grievances. For example: Pink Shirt Pizza Man:
I think you are projecting your own feelings, you want to see racism and Nazi’s everywhere. Life in America despite its problems is better for anyone lucky enough to live there regardless of their race. Their standard of living is better than 90% of the rest of the world. Nowhere is a utopia, and America is far from one, its just closer than most other places. No one said they have to take any abuse or oppression, there are other methods than violence to try and resolve them. You think the legal system of America is bad? How about you compare it to Africa, the middle east or China? Americans have more legally enshrined rights than anyone else in the rest of the world. Seriously dude!
You are killing the “whaddaboutism” game right now.
Me: Blacks face issues here in america
You: But what about Africa, its worse there! If its so bad in the US, they should move back to Africa!
Me: The US has a history of systematic oppression of blacks so many in the black community don’t trust the system to work for them.
You: Well what about the courts in China or the ME, those are way worse than the USAs so they should trust the USAs system.
You’re arguing that it’s fine to treat black people as second-class citizens, so long as their treatment is better than they could expect in Africa?
Ignoring the fact that an absolutely miniscule proportion of African Americans have ever “come from” Africa, do you not see how this view could be deemed a teensy bit racist?
Haven’t lived in a ghetto, I went to public school back in the day which meant I mixed with people from many races and many low economically impoverished areas. I went to their places and saw how they lived. Yes the difference is dramatic, in standards of living and behaviour. I encountered some racism too, for no reason other reason for being white. Much more violence and a quickness to jump to it. Same again with other crime and addiction. Back then society was more equitable than it is now. Its much worse now.
There is no good reason to be looting stores and destroying everything in sight, the problem is that there isn’t really an appropriate way to voice your discontent that will be taken seriously. If they applied for a permit to demonstrate, waved some signs and sang songs, and went home when the police told them to, would that really get their point across?
That’s why I think that stuff like burning the police station actually makes a lot more sense, take your grievances directly to the source. Or the protest against the lockdown in Michigan and elsewhere where armed protesters went into the state legislature. That really gets the point across, looting stores makes them look like nothing more than a bunch of petty thieves.
Racism is perceived to be everywhere these days. The funny thing is its not a one way street. Racism is an equal opportunity form of discrimination. Any one can be treated poorly by someone of another racial background.
I never argued that its fine to treat blacks (or anyone else) as second class citizens. What part of them all having the same rights under the law do you not understand?
Seriously where in the world would it be better for a black American to go and live? You do realise Wakanda is only make believe? I hear that vibranium is some good shit though.
