It’s interesting because he was raised in a middle class environment. It’s like these Antifa kids who so easily resort to violence against not only property but people (like kicking people in head after they have already been knocked unconscious). Maybe people who haven’t been raised surrounded by violence and its effects, romanticize it.
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I don’t think dismantle = no police. From the article above, it was more about getting rid of the current structure and replacing it. The intention is to change the culture that is embedded in a specific department.
If you’re finding people asking for no police force then I agree, that would be a massive issue to any city.
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The thing is, if it isn’t as severe as what the rhetoric suggests, then it does very little, and presumably will not impress the protesters. If it IS what it sounds like then you’ll have no Minneapolis cops while you rebuild.
Either way you slice it, it doesn’t seem like the best thing to have promised, especially when widespread disorder is still ongoing.
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It will be worse when BLM types infiltrate the schools in an official capacity and take over curriculum and discipline (but never actually teach because that is too much like work) and drive out all of the white teachers and are left with no teachers and end up lowering the standards (and losing accreditation). It will not be HIStory. It won’t be HERstory. It will just be story.
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Defunding and dismantling police doesnt mean getting rid of police. It means re-configuring police departments and reallocating funding.
there are many instances where a social worker is better equipped to handle a call about domestic violence or a homeless guy drunk in the park, etc. Instead of sending two squad cars and cops to forcibly handle the situation, the call would go out to a “social worker team” consisting of a social worker and a cop whose ONLY role would be to hang back and provide security for the social worker. Its seems like cops typically trained in force and violence, and IMO rightfully so, but when those are their best and most used tools, they go to those tools more and more often, suspects expect that reaction and their interactions end up involving force and violence more and more. self fulfilling prophecy.
I personally think its a really good idea to explore more: transitioning a part of the police force into more of a social worker role to respond to incidents unlikely to require force. Another great role for this “social worker team” would be in situations where there is a dangerous suspect (but no immediate threat to the public, like a crazy guy with a knife in a strip mall parking lot at 3am), but the social worker would get first crack at talking the suspect down (with police as security) before the police take over with orders, demands and force.
I think that people would walk all over the social worker if that was the only person to respond, and they similarly react defensively when only cops respond.
But with the cop in the background and the social worker talking it out with them it would effectively be playing realtime goodcop-badcop and could lead to less force-required situations. I think it is something worth exploring.
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You would probably be stunned at how often Police Officers deal with situations like that without resorting to anything more than pepper spray(at most).
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Good post, @Californiagrown…but it seems like strange wording if the purpose is to not really, well…dismantle and defund.
But I get your point.
Not stunned in the slightest. Totally understand that.
This is the reason why a “social worker team” would be implemented… this is a significant part of the job currently. And yes, the vast majority of the time it is handled flawlessly by the cop. But everyone has bad days, and that can be especially true with a cop. Why would you want an agitated, pissed off cop 90 minutes removed from a footchase and wrestling match, trying to calm down a drunk asshole, while knowing that pulling his gun or roughing the guy up would get this over with quicker and be condoned by the department? This would be a situation where the “social worker team” would be better suited, and would (hopefully) be less willing to resort to force to handle the situation.
dismantle… and then rebuild
and defund… but put that found money to use addressing the same problems police are currently meant to address. whether that is building a “sister” branch of the police dedicated to social work applications, or redistributing budget to existing social programs etc.
right now, language must be drastic or it gets ignored.
Also, this is only one (best) idea i have heard from the SJWs in my area around a campfire this weekend, i do not know what the plan (if any) is in Minneapolis.
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Sounds more like a job for a bouncer than some middle-aged female social worker .
And less able, which could be bad news for the social worker.
Only, you just don’t if force will be required. You have large men who won’t resist arrest by a cop half their size and 120 pound females who will try and fight 10 cops.
The problem is, he’s crazy.
So you still need cops which means they still get funded. This sounds like increasing funding as we will continue to pay the cops but now have to pay social workers the cops will be babysitting.
This is 100% bullshit. Having received police training myself and trained cops, de-escalation is part of training as is the use of force continuum.
For many of these Marxist, BLM types, it does mean getting rid of the police because that is another way to get rid of white people, especially males. It’s also a way for them to get their hands on government money. They want those single mothers who have done such a great job raising kids to be the village idiots that save the day as if they will suddenly become a bunch of Andy Griffiths. Hopefully they can fit crime fitting in between nail salon appointments.
You have college campuses now talking about getting rid of their police. When a student gets raped she can call a social worker to catch the rapist. And when it inevitably happens that there is a shooter on campus, they can wait for cops to come from some town that wasn’t stupid enough to get rid of the cops.
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Which have proven to be ineffective. The fact you have had teachers say, for decades, “if I can save only one student it will be a success” tells you how low the bar is set.
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Not in Minneapolis. City council member and antifa supporter Jeremiah Ellison wants a “police-free future”.
See the caption with the black background
I would love to see the looks on MS 13 faces once they find out a city has a peace force instead of a police force.
These mostly white liberals from the suburbs who push this anti-fascist/anti-cop agenda have no idea about what kind of darkness is out in the real world. They don’t know what it’s like to talk to a 22 year old kid (who was telling me excitedly about his new job) at 5 PM and then find out at 8 am the next morning he was found dead in the street from a gunshot to the head for no apparent reason.
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That’s the same thing I was thinking last night when I read about this. When some guys like that come along and start extorting everyone with an income, raping girls left and right, and killing people for fun and there are no cops, what do you do? And you can be sure that if they actually do abolish the police in Minneapolis then these types will be flocking there.
This is why the people pushing for no cops are racists. They have safe suburbs with police, who they know they would not defund, but they don’t want inner city people to have the same thing. And the founders of BLM are three women who as far as I know, did not grow up in the ghetto. They have never seen the evil that is out there.
Where I used to live, there was some kid who told his friends he wanted to kill someone on his birthday. Sure enough, on his birthday he walked out of his home and shot the first person he saw (a young black man, like himself).
So social workers can only be 120lb females? huh. didnt realize that.
You missed the part about defunding meaning decreasing the police budget, not eliminating the police force entirely. I assume you are responding to me, as that is what you quoted.
The emphasis in a police officers training is on force, not conflict de-escalation or utilizing community resources and programs to help a subject. It is not their job to help a subject, it is their job to enforce laws and catch bad guys.
I personally am against raising taxes to throw money into existing social programs that dont seem to work, but i am pretty neutral on redistributing the current budget to those same programs to see if increased funding helps. Id rather that money go towards universal healthcare, but thats another topic entirely.
I think you are awfully fired up right now, and ONLY looking at extreme examples. Its too bad youve devolved to arguing the extremes.
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So, isnt this an argument for social programs that could have changed the course of this kids life so he wouldnt want to kill someone for his bday? the only role the cops have here is to arrest the kid after he killed someone.
Also, sounds like the kid is a sociopath.
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Its a pipe dream. I want a police free future too where everyone is nice and ethical and helps out. And the community nips problems and problem people in the bud before real damage is done. gumdrops and lollipops, etc.
In reality, even if the police were abolished there, militias and vigilante groups would form to protect the neighborhoods and “enforce law”. And that would likely turn very ugly.
But do you really think that will ever actually happen? He is one council member. Here in seattle there is a legit socialist on the council and makes headlines with her quotes and proposals all the time. It turns out there are 8 other members who help balance the scales and keep the city from going full looney toons though. Same thing will happen in Minneapolis i bet. Ellison is intentionally making headlines and in the process making a name for himself.
I didn’t realize that either, since I didn’t say that.
That’s what you say it means but that’s not what BLM says it means. Also, if you still need cops how can you decrease their budget especially given that they will need more training? Bodycams cost money.
No it isn’t. You can imagine we have some third world police force but we don’t.
Two things that they do using very little, if any force, most of the time.
I don’t know how you can reconcile these two thoughts.
No, that’s the people throwing bricks and virtue signaling.
And in the meantime? A 12 year old points a gun at you and your family. You can know all of the environmental causes that brought him to that point but, at the end of the day, you are faced with someone pointing a gun at you.
That’s one thing that the ghetto is good at: creating sociopaths. Given Floyd’s criminal record, he may have been one too.
White people won’t let them. Social justice and social-emotional learning are more important. It’s the soft racism of low expectations.
The fact there is one, is bad. And his agenda is the BLM agenda. How many people right now are repeating the phrase “I support the BLM movement?” They have no idea about the wackiness of that movement.
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I have a feeling this will not last very long. I put a high probability that the “community led” safety program will be an epic fail. I think it will likely end in more violence than current.
I have complaints about the current policing we get, but I don’t think this is the answer.