George Floyd Riots

I’ve said this before, but for a golf guy Trump misses 1 inch putts all the time. This isn’t even a hard one just like coronavirus speaking wasn’t. Somehow he managed to fuck both up because he can’t possibly help but turn the attention to him and not what’s going on. Hence his response to Bush and his usual I’m the best black president since Lincoln.

God damn I’m just some dude in the middle of Kansas feeling I should be a high ranking White House official or something apparently. Mr. President we have a crisis. Speaking during a crisis is actually pretty easy.

Calling out China at some point would be a nice cherry on top. First sink the super easy putt.

Never fear, I’m happy to blame the Glaswegian’s for this.

First, that was the post the author was responding to, not the author’s own words. The Sailor guy is the guy that the long thread of responses was directed at. Second, I would urge you to separate the question’s answers from the poster because his wrong assumption is not at all a prerequisite for any of those potential improvements to work. They do not hinge on the prevalence of white supremacists in the force.

As usual, there is a spectrum of variable support or dissent on both the first 2 assumptions. The third is obviously false and seized on by opportunists who want free swag.

A nuanced discussion is what I’m interested in reading, so whether or not it happens elsewhere (and I agree it is much too rare due to the polarization of the voting population) has no real bearing on the thread IMHO

Right, but he was answering the question without challenging the assumption, so I assumed he shared it.

This occurred to me as well, and you are correct that they can be disconnected. It is still a silly place to begin a problem-solving session with. A better start would be

How do we improve outcomes involving the application of force?

This has been asked many times and answered many times, but it is obvious to both of us that there is clear room for improvement. Like any other field of study, we know more than we did yesterday, so let’s ask that question again and again, until we get it right.

Again, we still don’t know why that cop did what he did. Calling him a racist is certainly convenient and it certainly paints a nice, neat picture of “why?”, but I can’t say for certain that hatred of black people is what was going through his head and all of the other cop’s heads as it was all going down. Maybe it was, maybe it was anger fed by racism, who knows? I don’t.

We are being led and conditioned to primarily consider the race of people involved over any other circumstance. If it even remotely fits the narrative, it is time to fire up the outrage machine. We’ve seen it time and time again.

I am optimistic that police as individuals can do better when it comes to calling out their own. That’s a culture thing, not something you can write into law. You can set up rules and laws to support a culture like that, and I would agree that would be worth examining. Maybe some of it can be found on that list. But you can never, ever legislate bad human behavior out of existence. Not in a pool of people as large as law enforcement in the USA, which is something like 800,000 people.

I’m not optimistic that our leaders and our news media will do a good job of making that point. I expect that no matter what might be done, the gears already in motion will continue to churn whenever the next bad outcome takes place. Getting the gears of outrage to stop turning will be a much bigger challenge than making whatever realistic improvements can be made on an already good institution staffed by imperfect, but largely self-selecting people with good intentions.

I don’t see any major leaps being made without science, just incremental improvements interspersed with more bad outcomes that will, unfortunately, be similar to what is already being rioted over.

Hopefully Elon Musk’s got his bad apple detector in the works. Perhaps a neural interface and/or improvements in behavioral studies, neurochemistry, etc might give us the insight needed to weed out those prone to bad behavior with a higher rate of success than the current process. Maybe we’re right around the corner from Minority Report. You’d know better than I.

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To add a bit to my previous post about why this narrative is our real long-term problem now…

We have various high-profile celebrities and members of Joe Biden’s campaign virtue-signalling about bailing out rioters. Many jurisdictions seemed to have no organized response, by choice or necessity I cannot say for sure. I just remember the words “give them room to destroy” coming from the mouth of a mayor in charge of millions.

That seems like pretty strong support of the riot behavior. Letting people do bad things is what it is. You’re either letting it happen, taking part in it, or doing something to stop it.

Right now it seems like it can be okay to take what you want, destroy what you want and beat whoever you please as much as you please. Right here, right now, in the USA.

I wonder if any of those celebrities offered up one of their homes to be looted and set ablaze?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-biden-bail-idUSKBN2360SZ

I generally agree with your criticism of Trump, btw, but he’s still got my vote. That’s how concerned I am about the Democrats’ policy goals right now. That’s another topic, however.

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Fuck. Black Police captain(retired) just been murdered by looters :unamused:

Lets see how CNN shitheads/BLM etc try to gloss over this one

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What did Kolin Kapernick say to the rioters outside the Nike store?

…JUST DO IT!

I entirely agree with your assessment of condoning and bailing rioters out. I suspect that it may have started with the desire to bail out protesters that were in the wrong place/wrong time and got caught up, but even if that was the case you can’t filter the “innocent” protesters from the looting anarchists accurately enough on a large scale like say, “GoFundMe” or something. Case by case after review, probably a better shot at getting the unlucky ones and leaving the criminals. There is no excuse or any way to excuse violence and crime in my mind.

That’s totally fair. I can understand that motive for voting GoP in this election even if I don’t share it (meaning specifically with Biden as the particular nomination).

Fuck that. I hope to hell they find them and get hard sentence. This is where I say that if we had someone even slightly less selfish and more competent as POTUS there would be a more unified and better response to all of this, violence and all, from all segments. I think the vacuum at the top has led to a free for all with commentators and reporters below.

It is probably on video somewhere, but we’ll see how the case plays out. You’ll probably need to follow local news for that one. Murders like that aren’t news-worthy the way murders like Floyd’s are.

None of the rioters give a shit what Trump says or does. Nobody gave a shit what Obama said or did while Ferguson and Baltimore burned. “Room to Destroy” was actually from the 2015 Baltimore Riots.

I’ve not yet ventured out of my bubble to become current on what our politicians are saying outside of my state concerning the ongoing riots.

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Its all over twitter, his name David Dorn trending no 3 globally on twitter but nothing on MSM. Its black on black so yep, doesnt fit the narrative

Won’t repost but you can see him lying there, bleeding out. People walking by for 1:50 mins doing fuck all to help/first aid

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News worthy now, for sure, but probably not for the coverage of the trial, assuming that someone is charged.

It will not be part of the national cycle for long.

Edit: Just noticed you said no MSM but all over twitter.

Im aware of that phrase origin, and I should have clarified what I meant by the above quote–what I mean is I have the impression that there are a bunch of different people saying different things. Whereas we agree that nobody listened to Obama, even though nobody listened to him there felt like more unified messaging from all levels of political leadership (even with outliers). And subsequently I think that influenced the media’s reporting and commentary. I think unified messaging is important even though nobody looting will listen, because other people might listen and we might be able to start something productive after the riots get shut down eventually.

Its not on any the news sites breaking news twitter pages or website (ABC CNN even FOX), individuals posting I guess

…at this minute

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Agree.

But we don’t get nice things. We get “When the looting starts the shooting starts” or, if we don’t like that, we can opt for an incoherent career politician with a policy platform I’m ready to argue is the worst and most racist since the last time the Democrats supported openly racist policies.

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It’s actually Colin. And he did what apparently everyone is saying they want people to do which is peacefully protest and it ended his career and he was vilified as if he was saying horrible things about veterans.

Meanwhile we have a President who actually says horrible things about veterans and their families and that’s no big deal.

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Everybody is a freedom loving constitutional scholar until they get to the parts they don’t like.

Then it’s time to start breaking stuff. Windows, heads, the ideals that they themselves say they live by.

We’ve become a nation of egotistical, virtue signaling, angry, lying children.

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To be fair…we did this to ourselves by having an incredibly large swath of voters being apathetic and uninformed because there’s something to binge on Netflix. But yeah it still sucks for those others of us.

Not sure I can buy the magnitude of that argument on Biden but I can dig where you’re coming from with it. It’s a shitty choice all around.

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On another note, this is a damn fine statement.

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It’s a pretty striking contrast to listen to Obama give a speech in 2008 on racism vs Trump’s “looting shooting vicious attack dogs and ominous weapons.” One is an adult carefully considering the power of his words when confronting a difficult topic. The other is someone who simply doesn’t care enough to even attempt to think before speaking. The topic is irrelevant.

It’s not like Presidents have ever had the power to make anyone listen or anything that is an unreasonable expectation. But I will continue to say politicians words and public behavior matter. And those that say it doesn’t do so because they can’t possibly rationalize why a President would speak like Trump does. So it’s a safe space for them imo.

You can see what real adult leaders like Obama or GWB (most recent examples) say in these types of situations. It’s not a fix for everything but it’s examples of leaders who know that the country if not the world is looking at them.

Edit: you beat me to the GWB link.

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