Im not arguing he was a good guy. He wasnt. Still shouldnt have been murdered.
Cops were given a lot more leeway in years past- people still have rodney king on their mind. Now they are under much more scrutiny for their actions in large part because of cellphones and body cams. But this case also showed the blue wall crumble with police testifying against other police. It has also sparked a policing reform movement, along with a bill (to among other things) end qualified immunity. This case, and his death is symbolic.
Sure. People like floyd. Or like black friends ive seen mistreated by cops in front of me. Or like philando castille. Or like Ahmaud arbery and the good ol boy police/DA network in GA. Etc. Etc. Etc.
And this really is the root of the disagreement. the HOW to improve policing and policing outcomes.
Or maybe someone who wasnât a criminal but was unjustly killed by police.
It wasnât but the narrative is that he was a good guy who was hunted down and killed. They will paint murals and name streets after him. Maybe have a national holiday. How about something to memorialize any or all of the children who were murdered by ghetto violence?
I think the content of the bill matters more than the person it is named after. Naming it after Floyd makes sense as it is probably the most known police killing.
I donât think people think Floyd was a saint (or at least not very many). I donât really care what they call it.
Start by telling future single mothers to get on birth control because asking them to raise their kids properly is something they cannot do.
There is a reason why BLM is against bodycams: it shows that the majority of times cops act professionally and properly and itâs the suspects who show the world their low IQs.
I agree with this. I think we should make birth control access super easy and cost nothing.
I believe the research by Levitt on Roe v. Wade decision leading to lower crime rates. I think access to birth control has similar impact.
I think this is true. There are cases where they donât though. It may be a much smaller issue than the issues with culture in the ghetto. That doesnât mean it isnât a problem to be addressed. We donât have to pretend that police violence is the only problem though (which I think is what you have issue with).
Agreed. Condoms should be free in a jar at every gas station and liquor store. The BC inserts for women should be free as well (canât trust folks to staying schedule with the pill).
Anyone who is against body cameras is an idiot, IMO. IME only the fringe BLM activists actually want them banned. The big problem with cameras is the cost to store all the footage for years and years due to public records requests.
For a party that professes to care about black lives, how can anyone square two centuries of policy disasters overseen almost exclusively by Democrats?
If you traveled back in time to the 1960s and explained the situation in Democrat strongholds in 2021 to a Klansmen, he would almost certainly support whatever combination of policies it took to produce the outcomes we have today. Iâm sure he would be thrilled to hear about the destruction of the family unit, the public schools that graduate barely literate individuals, and the removal of police protection from the black neighborhoods. He would almost certainty be pleased to hear about the millions of aborted black babies and the thousands of black men that kill each other off in staggering numbers.
Of course, Democrats only care about black lives that can be cynically exploited for money and power. The outcomes donât lie and we have decades of clear data.
I suspect my hypothetical Klansmen would be particularly pleased to hear that segregation is making a strong comeback.
Yep, and they are the fringe. the VAST majority of folks who support the BLM movement are not at all in lockstep with the official BLM charter and all its points. Its a pretty extreme and intentionally inflammatory set of points meant to stir up conversation and challenge the status quo. Again, its BLM the organization vs. the BLM movement.
Also, bruh, this has been bugging me for a while. 2mil does not buy you a mansion in many parts of CA. The conservative media going apeshit over the foundersâ RE portfolio gives me a chuckle with the hyperbole taking about the $1.4 mil âmansionâ bought in socal. People from most of the country donât fully grasp the insanity of the RE markets in certain areas. Yes, they are making far more than their marxist facade would suggest, but the semantics of their RE holdings kill me.
Again⊠If you think Chauvin pre-planned under âcool reflectionâ then carried out this pre-planned plan in front of dozens of filming onlookers you are out to lunch.
Youâre right. I forgot MN had that law. Seems much more like a negligent homicide or manslaughter. Kinda waters down the impact of a murder charge in my opinion.
MNâs laws are a bit odd with manslaughter and murder. IMO, he was guilty of manslaughter. I think 3rd degree is a maybe, but I am not convinced (but I havenât listened to all of the trial). Seems hard to prove a depraved mind. At the same time, I can admit, I have a terrible record calling court cases.
Ok, who exactly are you fighting here? Itâs not me. Iâve been more or less on the same page as you with regard to Floydâs death since the start. The only difference is that I didnât think they could successfully prosecute the murder charge.
Again, who are you fighting here? Not me.
Look, as you say this represents a significant event in American history. But you have to appreciate that that also means symbols are at play here, on both sides, and not just bare facts. Biden inserted himself into the judicial process with his original comments during the trial, as did a number of other high profile politicians. That was completely inappropriate. You can remember what killed him without inviting more division.
Thereâs a signal being seen here, probably unintentionally by Biden, to police who are otherwise totally on board with reforming misconduct and abuse. Many officers as well as other voters who would otherwise be totally on board will be taken aback. Pragmatically the correct move imo was to completely avoid this and move on with the bill and other projects.
Not trying to fight, or (maliciously?) argue with you.
Do you personally have a problem with Biden inviting the family to the white house? Or are you just commenting on why you think it was a bad move in a political sense? Id bet it was the latter based on your past posts, but i could be wrong.
What (assumedly negative) signal is being sent to police that would turn off those who are otherwise totally onboard with reforming misconduct and abuse? Why would they be taken aback? the mans murder at the hands of a police officer catalysed the police reform movement⊠inviting the family to the white house after the officer was found guilty of murder is a symbol of successfully holding police accountable for misconduct.
Can you link me to comments made by Biden during the trial (when the jury was not sequestered for deliberation) that you think were inappropriate?
They have Hollywood agents and are making deals with Oprah. They write best selling books. That isnât the fringe. They may have fringe beliefs but they are not on the fringes.
God forbid they live among the people they claim to speak for; the people whose suffering they have monetized so they donât have to live near them. Is this what we could call black flight?
Hereâs the thing, take away the Marxist label and no one would care. Itâs not semantics but simply pointing out the hypocrisy.
Excuse me. I didnât mean it literally of course, it just seemed a funny thing to address to me given weâve been on the same page mostly on this one. Although upon rereading it it doesnât seem as odd as it did the first time lol.
I was definitely commenting in a political sense. Personally I donât like to move either, but not enough to lose sleep over.
There are always two sides to a coin. You are 100% correct that Floydâs death catalyzed certain aspects of police reform that were moving slower beforehand. Most probably it also took some wind out of police unions on the subjectâŠWhether or not that ends up in good or bad outcomes will probably depend on the policies adopted, and I assume some shake out time as different things are tried.
On the other hand, inviting Floydâs family in the White House send different messages depending on where youâre at. One of those as you said is a symbol of successful accountability for officer misconduct.
The other one not so much. You asked what signal is being sent to police that would otherwise be on board with getting rid of bad officers⊠I would say all you need to do is look at the reaction of the few officers that post here as well as some others that are more conservative leading. Marine and others have all been vocal about how officer abuse needs to be eliminated, and open to reforms - even if they differ on policy choices. But theyâre not too happy about the invite.
Keep in mind I am not talking about people who would otherwise vote Democrat⊠I am talking about people who are supportive of police reform in general and getting rid of bad officers as well as holding people accountable for abuse. That crosses party lines, as I think most everybody of all parties on this forum is on board with the idea at least.
