I learned a new word today.
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Me too lol. Had to google that one.
Maybe?? Lol, Iād say chances are 100/100 they want the pressure.
āHe requested to lay on the ground. I applied a low percentage of my body weight to his upper back as I was afraid heād spring up and run into traffic in his obviously hopped up state.ā
Oh boy. I still think he can get stuck with something for not rolling him into recovery position.
But this looks like a man who died of cardiac arrest due to the stress of being arrested while refusing to cooperate, having bad health, and whacked out on drugs.
I wouldnt describe someone on opiates to be āhopped upā, and Chauvin needs to learn some basic anatomy, or he is using the term upper back extremely loosely.
i think the key is determining whether the knee on the neck was a sanctioned technique (i believe it was?), if he applied it longer than necessary or with unnecessary force, and if proper aid was rendered to floyd once it became apparent he was in a health crisis.
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Well, he doesnāt look to be sedated. Seemed to be pitching a fit about going in the car and wanting to lay down on the ground instead. I think it revolves around a reasonable person wouldāve identified that Floyd had slipped into an emergency medical situation. That a change to providing cpr or something needed to have happened. What with them being trained first responders.
Heād also been āI canāt breatheā-ing basically since police first touched him.
Another photo of that knee on the neck.
Iāve watched the videos. So will the jury. There was knee on neck for very significant amounts of time.
Functionally, him crying wolf does the same thing as remaining wordless. Actually, you can hear his voice change when he actually does begin to struggle breathing (but thatās fairly subjective, and noticed from the safety of hindsight I realize). Itās the cops responsibility to use appropriate forceā¦ Itās not on the suspect to inform the officer when he thinks the force has gone too far.
You canāt assume that it was the force that killed him. George Floyd had more than enough fentanyl in his body to kill him. His manner of death was consistent with a death from fentanyl overdose. I suspect that it would be very difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that George Floyd wouldnāt have died if no one would have touched him. If you canāt prove that, the best you can do is argue that the police should have rendered aid. But that wonāt make a murder or even manslaughter charge stick.
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, Fire Extinguisher.
There was a fire extinguisher involved in the George Floyds death?
Lots of murder cases are like this though, and get convictions. Victims die of heart attacks in the hospital after being shot for example. Really hard to prove that they wouldnāt have had that heart attack if they werenāt shot.
The issue with the ālethal dose of fentanyl in his systemā (or any opiate) is that amount is so subjective to the person. Addicts and regular users use crazy amounts that would kill new usersā¦ Its why so many people who OD are folks who have just relapsed- they use the amount they used in the depths of their addiction instead of the amount that they can handle after being clean for a while.
In my mind this is an excessive force case. And if the jury thinks excessive force was used, IDK how they dont also say that the excessive force contributed to Floyds death. I think the not rendering aid aspect is separate and only applicable if the jury finds no excessive force was used.
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I donāt have a lot of experience here, but it seems far fetched that a guy so high on opioids that he was going to OD (in less than an hour) would be trying to rip off a small grocery store with a fake $20. I donāt see the speech pattern as indicative of a guy on a lethal dose of opioids either.
The burden of proof lies with the defense to show that Floyd would have likely died on his own. I personally donāt buy it. His behavior isnāt consistent with that of people who OD.
Is this a guilty until proven innocent case?
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If the jury thinks chauvin used excessive force resulting in bodily harm or death, wouldnt the defense then have to prove there was a more probable cause of death? Ie opiate OD.
No clue, Iām not a lawyer. That comment was firmly tongue in cheek.
I figured, but I think itās an interesting point also. Splitting hairs a bit, but interesting. When does the burden of proof shift
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I think that what we as missing is that Chauvin will not be charged with 1st degree (which he is not even charged with); 2nd degree murder of even manslaughter.
That is why just this morning; the judge reinstated the 3rd degree murder charge. This gives the jury another option AND from the defense side carries less penalties.
While this was a legal decision; I think that it was a smart one for everyone involved. Chauvin needs to be charged; but proving intent is an uphill climb. I donāt think that even a scum bag like Chauvin (proven by his history, by the way, for all of the apologist) went into this intending to kill Floydā¦but his actions sure as hell were negligent.
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