I’m just flagging the two racist posts and hoping others will do the same.
I don’t think anyone has said racism and/or racists do not exist. What you have is people saying that not everything is racist. They are saying that the so called anti-racists have policies that will only make things worse (end the patriarchy, disrupt the nuclear family, abolish the police, abolish prisons, Marxism, identity politics, reject science, math and time since they are products of white supremacy, etc.) because they are racists without even knowing it.
There were definitely racist policies in place in this country but what about now? A black woman from a dysfunctional country in Africa comes here as a refugee and manages to make it to Congress where she can talk about how terrible this nation is when it comes to women, Muslims, immigrants and people of color. We had a black president. We have a possible future female VP of color. Oprah is a billionaire. Black applicants to medical school get preferential treatment when it comes to admission. Schools in inner cities give free education, free meals, free medical and dental care, free psychological care, free clothes, free computers, etc.
These deaths at the hands of police, and believe it or not, you can include many white people among those killed by police, almost always have a few things in common:
The suspect has a criminal past, usually violent.
The suspect was in the process of committing a crime when the police were called (sorry, but they weren’t hunted down on their way to church).
They resist arrest.
They produce a weapon or go for a weapon.
BLM and other activists lie about what happened (hands up don’t shoot was proven false).
We can talk about what environmental factors contributed to the criminal behavior and maybe some are rooted in the vestiges of systemic racism, but at the end of the day, when it’s your life on the line none of that matters in the moment.
So you can blame racism all you want and whether right or wrong or in between, it won’t change anything. Tear down a statue of Columbus or Lee if you want but they are dead so I doubt they care. You really showed that colonizer who’s boss. Blaming racism is a way to avoid addressing behaviors. We can blame slavery so let’s outlaw slavery… oh wait. Let’s get rid of Jim Crow laws… oh wait. We need civil rights laws… oh wait.
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This is demonstrably inaccurate. I can name at least one long-term poster on this site who has made this claim in this very thread.
Let us proceed on the premise that racist policies no longer exist (they very much do, but…): when did their consequences end? You yourself have mentioned redlining, for a start. Then there are people in prison today because of racist policies. There are history books full of lies still in use today. So the policies are over, but the people who made them, and the people who suffer from them still live and breathe. This cannot be disputed.
“Perseverance porn”, as some authors call it, is misleading. Calling out sparse examples of triumph over adversity to suggest said adversity does not exist makes no sense.
“Nutpicking” is still a fallacy; it is no way to approach an issue if you desire truth or understanding or progress. Protesting racism cannot and should not be treated as endorsement of every point in the BLM manifesto.
Blaming black people for their unfortunate lot is a way to avoid addressing racism. It has worked for a long time. Your words are proof it still does.
OK, one.
Name them.
I call terms like that pseudo intellectual word porn.
Adversity comes in many forms and it can affect anyone regardless of race, ethnicity, socioeconomic status, etc.
And right on cue, the race card. You fail to address any points with a substantive argument and in fact, avoid many of them. So what does a weak and stupid person do: they just fall back on, “if you don’t agree with me you must be a racist.” “If you use facts, you must be a racist.” “If you believe black people have the capacity to be held to the same standards as white people, you must be a racist.” Are you 12 years old?
You even put words in my mouth:
Where did I do that? You are a small, weak, uneducated, and stupid person. And I would argue you are the real racist because you don’t believe black people can overcome adversity. Shame on you.
Anyway dummy, what are you doing to help inner city residents to better their lives? Did you make a tik tok video to show everyone how much you care?
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One one hand, I’m quite shocked at the vitriol. I most definitely did not engage in name-calling when I responded to you, nor did I accuse you of anything other than being wrong in certain things.
On the other, I did call this a dumpster fire. Carry on.
I can name 4 well known posters on here that have made demonstrably racist posts… and only one of them has long term brain damage. All of them would say they arent racist though. But, i guess we agree that racism and racists do exist.
Accuse someone of something (blaming black people), then walk away as if you are the bigger person. Let me guess, the way you fight racism is by reading a book.
I know there are posters who have said undeniably racist things. However, I didn’t read any posts on this thread in which a poster denied racism exists. I don’t think the racists would deny racism and racists exist. What this poster fails to see because he is too busy spouting off crap he learned in some sociology class is that there is a difference between someone saying that systemic racism is not a factor (we could of course argue its existence) and that racism in general exists. Not every interaction between a black person and a white person that ends badly for the black person is because of racism.
I think its a pretty good indication that systematic racism, implicit bias, etc all exist at levels much higher than most folks in this thread will agree with, just based on the simple fact that 4 out of the 15-20 regular posters on here have posted racist stuff.
That said, I totally agree with this sentiment. And this is where anti-racists (in the way i use the term) hurt their own cause by knee-jerk blaming racism. Its kind of like how my fiance and her friends knee-jerk blame mansplaining and misogyny for some of my actions, when infact i do the exact same shit to their boyfriends who are standing directly beside them haha. I can be an equal opportunity asshole.
But, i think it is important, when an interaction for black folks goes badly, to quickly consider if racism was at play. Quick consideration, thats all. And if something does smell rotten, then call that shit out. But if it just smells like the way all lowclass trash gets treated, then that doesnt necessarily make it right, but we dont need to go reaching for the race card. there is enough racism out there, IMO, that we dont need to be reaching to play the race card.
For example:
Jacob Blake- doesnt seem to be much racism there. Initial video looked real bad, but as the full-er story came out (knife, tasers, warrants, etc) looks more like the way all lowclass trash would have been treated. I wish there was a better way to have detained him though.
Ahmaud Arbery- holy good-ol-boy southern racist bullshit.
Mostly peaceful execution ritual:
Yes, there are, and my message which ticked you off was in response to one of them.
And yet, you now know of at least 2 others who have indeed read such posts. Think of racism the same way: sometimes you don’t see its effect on events, but others do.
I cannot remember ever attending a sociology class.
Oh I do understand the distinction. If you read a bit more attentively, you’d realize that my initial post was in response to the claim that equality has been achieved.
I made no attempt to discuss this at all.
It was not an accusation, but a statement that had nothing to do with you personally. You made a general claim. I made a counter-claim.
Your descent into name-calling is entirely on you. Disagree all you want, but keep your cool.
Looks like someones post was deleted today. What did it say?
You still need to put up here man. You made the assertion, back it up.
If you claim they exist, what are they?
I think we have issues with bias, and individual racism. I am not sure about actual policies still in existence. I think we need to work towards a world were everyone is treated as equals, and that individual bias and racism (with people of all races) is something we need to work to eradicate by education, but I don’t see a lot of racist policy (I do see some, but it generally helps black people, stuff like equal opportunity laws). I think some policies impact different races more than others, but is that actually racist?
I think that when those policies are (wink-wink) intentionally meant to affect certain races more, that they are racist. crack vs coke drug scheduling, stop and frisk, bail policies, privatization of the prison system… and the policy/strategy that needs to die tomorrow: gerrymandering. Given, most of those policies are kaput now.
Additionally, even if they werent meant to impact races differently, if it is found that they do, we should change those policies so that certain races are not systematically targeted (even if unintentionally).
Care to summarize? you guys were too quick cleaning up whatever filth was posted haha.
Agree this was a racist policy. Think it has been changed now.
Same as above.
IMO, these just hurt the poor, but because it is more common for black people to be poor, it impacts them more. IMO, we have a lot of issues with our justice system, and this is one that needs to go.
This hurts many different people, and should have never been allowed. It is a conflict of interest, and many of the people who pay for it, pay with years of their lives.
Agree. Voting boundaries should be drawn by computer or something different than the system we have now.
I don’t deny that these policies existed in the past. I did the exercise of trying to think of actual racist policies. I came up with equal opportunity type laws. I can admit that it could be argued that we have systematic racism by having laws that allow for individual racism. Thinking about how to eliminate individual racism by law seems to result in a bunch of restrictions on personal liberties. I am not sure how we correct this by law. I think improving education is our best route.
Depends on the law. Black men are more negatively impacted by the murder laws in the US than any other large group. Should we change those so they are not impacted.
Just stop there. Don’t lecture me on racism. You are out of your depth.
No. You drew a conclusion based on something you imagined or wanted to be true.
Again, what have you done to help poor black people?
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Which was supported by many black leaders. It was something that was done with good intentions.
Yes. It targeted minorities in practice, and I disagree with it but, it was targeting high crime areas which incidentally were populated by minorities.
That would affect poor people in general.
About what? That calling it a riot is somehow racist?
Those BLM activists just haven’t been fully indoctrinated into LGBT Marxism yet. Not an easy pill to swallow I suppose.