No, not lawful at all. Maybe your starting point is miscalibrated here.
Productive discussion doesnāt happen from a place of ignorance.
Educate yourself.
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Funny how so many of the prominent people in the otherwise unarmed and mostly peaceful mobs that want police defunded kerp ringing up a history with the legal system:
Joseph Rosenbaum (killed), 36, registered sex offender for a sex crime involving a minor.
Anthony Huber (killed), 26, Criminal history includes charges of battery & repeat domestic abuse
Gaige Grosskreutz (wounded), 26. criminal record includes being intoxicated & armed w/a gun
Now, did this mean they deserved to die? No but it seems video exists of all these guys chasing and assaulting their shooter
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If you were the cop your ethics might change.
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Used quick setting cement in an attempt to barricade police while simultaneously setting fire to the precint on the other side.
We have Breonna Taylor. Boyfriend shot at officers. Yeah, no-knocks needed to go, and they have, but who are we waiting to charge?
Michael Brown. Hands up donāt shoot. Obama DOJ took that one on. Washington Post gave 4 Pinocchioās to now VP pick Harris and Sen. Warren. Brown was not murdered.
Floyd. A potentially lethal dose of fentanyl and resisting officers. Likely nobody planned for him to die even if they were pricks. No evidence this was racial.
Blake was being arrested for at least one felony warrant after trespassing and stealing the keys of a woman who didnāt want him there. Not exactly a Good Samaritan simply breaking up a fight between 2 women. Wrestled free of the police even after a taser was discharged. Headed to a vehicle where he would be able to begin a vehicular pursuit endangering officers and the children in the vehicle. Yes, the children that were about to be part of a hostage situation/pursuit. And then, leaning into a vehicle with a knife on the floorboard. Oh, and no evidence that the shooting officer did it based on some racial malice.
And now looting over a suicidal murderer.
I believe a couple lynchings at the start of this that turned out to be suicides.
Last year a high level profile incident turned out to be a hoax by an Actor.
A few āKarenā incidents scoured from around the nation.
More. But Iām tired of it.
Seems a bit on the weak side to warrant so much destruction and violence.
Sure. But cops need civilian oversight. Weāve seen what PDs used to be like and a ton of reform has happened for the better because of oversight.
Racist assholes, gonna be racist assholes?
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It was a joke, relax.
Strawman much? You just hopped into this thread to say Iām ignorant for not discussing the topic of a thread you started months ago in the manner youād prefer.
Thatās what Iām thinking too, so why call it a protest and sympathize with them?
Maybe 7 was overdoing it, but when you have a suspect with other violent charges that they already knew about, fought with police seconds earlier, was tased without effect, and is either holding a knife or moving towards one, what else can they do? If he wasnāt about to stab a cop or take his kids hostage then he was going to drive away an end up in a high speed chase with the kids in the car, best scenario is him getting shot.
If you want to fight with cops you have to accept that there is a very high chance you will end up seriously injured. Doesnāt matter if you are right or wrong, thatās just the way it goes. He fought, he got shot.
These are the two that I would really say were injustices in some way. With Breonna Taylor, maybe the cops themselves werenāt at fault because they were just following orders and doing things they way they are supposed to but if they had knocked before breaking into the place it probably wouldnāt have ended like that. With Floyd, they should have called and ambulance sooner and stopped kneeling on his neck, maybe he would have died anyway but at least the cops wouldnāt be held responsible.
As for the rest of them, I think they got what they deserved. After seeing the other angle plus the previous struggle and the fact he had a knife and was also tased, I donāt really see any other way Blake could have been dealt with. Certainly nothing to burn down the whole town over.
No. I hopped back on to point out your ignorance of the subject at hand. You are, of course, free to share your ideas about a subject you are totally ignorant about.
Iām sure lethal force laws and police use of force will benefit greatly from your woke notions of violence rooted entirely in fantasy.
Whats worse and more rooted in fantasyland? My woke notions of when we may want to reexamine when lethal force should be used by LEOs, or your loonytoons notions of a marxist conspiracy that has led you to try and get your neighbors in backwoods maine to form a neighborhood militia to protect against antifa riots that you think are closing in (as you posted in that other thread you keep mentioning)?
You stay scared. Ill stay woke. Cheers.
How does this affect your opinion?
There are two openly Marxist organizations rioting every night across the US, in case you werenāt aware.
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You seem to struggle making a coherent post without lying or misrepresenting other people.
The words are there for everyone to read. Iāll stand by mine.
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Didnt we just agree that the folks rioting likely dont have an agenda and really just want to watch the world burn, or get some free stuff? theyre not marxists, they are angsty young folks who fancy themselves anarchists or are opportunists.
And that knife absolutely changes things. I have said since the beginning that if he had a weapon, or was reaching for a weapon that totally changes things. It sucks that information was kept quiet for 3 days and the narrative that he was totally unarmed was allowed to spread. Also, is that actually the knife he had, or is that some random facebook theory based on a super grainy stillframe? the official report i read just says a knife was found on the floorboard of the car (and he did admit to having a knife i guess) so he may have had it all along, or maybe was just reaching for it at the time he was shot.
If the kids had not been in the car, do you think that the cops should have still shot him? Or do you think they should have done anything different?
Yes, but they are encouraged to do so by Marxist organizations and as a result are ājustified in their actionsā and protected from the full force of the law. If they werenāt hiding behind BLM, Antifa, and allegations of excessive police violence then they would have been dealt with much more harshly and nobody would defend them. They are another variety of useful idiot.
Itās the mediaās fault, like they want to fan the flames some more.
You could enlarge the video and freeze it around that point if you are uncertain, I havenāt double checked it but I believe itās genuine. The guy who made the video said that the cops were telling Blake to drop the knife, although the camera man was unable to see it himself from where he was.
As for the knife being found on the floor of the car, the official statement neither confirmed nor denied that he was holding the knife, only that it was later found in the car. Most likely what happened is that he dropped the knife when he was shot.
They had no options left other than shooting him, they already fought with him and he got away and they tried to taze him but it didnāt work for one reason or another. Even with no kids in the car, once heās in it then more people are at risk because most likely he would drive away and end up in a high speed chase. And you canāt wait and see it he starts driving, how fast he drives, if he pulls over for the cops or not, because too much things can go wrong by then.
I was saying before that the cops fucked up for letting him even get to the car in the first place, but thatās before I saw the 2nd video with the fight, heard that he really was tazed, and now that he had a knife in his hand. If anything, they could have shot him sooner, right when he pulled out the knife. They showed restraint and he was at least bright enough not to turn towards them, but once heās getting in the car there is another problem.
IDK if you can blame the media for this stuff. Once a video gets posted to social media its out in the wild and the general public will make up their mind based on the limited information available. Thats why i think it is so important for body cams and other basic information to be released as quickly as is feasible- to get info out there to mitigate the spread of a wrong narrative backed up by partial evidence.
honestly, it doesnt matter if thats the knife or not. The fact is that he either had the knife the whole time, or was reaching for the knife at the time he was shot. I just have a kneejerk reaction to not believe theories formed from facebook sleuthing haha.
If he didnt have the knife, the cops wouldnt have shot him as he entered the car, right? They would have obviously tried to stop him, but wouldnt have shot him. So why would they have needed to shoot him if he did have a knife? He wouldnt be any more danger to the public in a highspeed chase whether he has a knife or notā¦ see what i mean? Additionally, would the cops have been justified in shooting him had the kids been in the car, but he had no knife?
You can blame the media for saying he was unarmed when the guy who made the video said himself that the cops were saying to drop the knife.
Itās not facebook sleuthing, the cops told him to drop the knife, a knife was found at the scene, and in the video he is holding a knife. Pretty straightforward.
Maybe, maybe not. I donāt now what their policies are over there. I could imagine they might stand in front of the car with their guns aimed at him and if the car moved then they would unload on him. At that point it either ends with him getting shot or surrendering, and he wasnāt about to surrender.
Kids in the car
If he tried to drive away.