So likely tack on unregistered to the list of legal issues. I guess we will have to wait and see what he gets charged with.
No doubt. there are a number of videos out there of local LEO actively supporting the right wing counter protesters physically assaulting and bullying small town peaceful protests. I am afraid that when LEO picks a side it encourages vigilantism (because they feel the law has their back), and if the police are encouraging vigilantism things can only get really, really bad. So far, the riots etc have been remarkably firearm-free (for such an overly armed country)ā¦ i want it to stay that way.
But if heavily armed vigilante militias are allowed and encouraged by LEO, you can bet your bottom dollar that the rioters and antifa wont just be throwing waterbottles, rocks and fireworks anymore either. I DO NOT want to see that.
Can you suggest some of these videos? I have seen a couple where armed militia are standing back protecting their local community from mobs of rioters(no peaceful protest), whilst buildings are burning in the vicinity.
LE have already picked sides in the argument, they picked BLM, and took a knee. All it did was encourage bad behavior and that is why the problem has escalated, and is still dragging on months later.
LE and politicians should have picked enforcing the laws from the get go, and stomped the problem into the ground before it got momentum. The death of a few cunt rioters and looters at the start would have stopped all the subsequent murders and bashings of law abiding citizens, and the destruction of multi millions of dollars of property damage.
Antifa etc, will get their asses stomped, if LE is allowed to do their job properly.
The only reason you are getting vigilantes is because police havenāt been allowed to do their job effectively. If the vested authorities wonāt do the job they were supposed to do the uncucked community will rise up and do it for themselves. Thatās the good ol American spirit, that I love and admire.
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I agree itās a bad look. But consider this: these cops were very likely thanking them because they had so LITTLE faith in their own political command chain.
That to me is equally scary, though not as tragic as the shootings.
Reeeeeaaally?
I get that this guy committed a crime LATER, but at the moment youāre saying unlawful assembly they are likely the most peaceful people on that block.
If you arrest that kid - at that moment - for unlawful assembly you had better arrest literally everyone else. You are the one that has been saying that PDs need to deescalate and let people assemble.
Has anyone seen the new Twitter video (it was on Fox News so take it with a grain of salt) showing the scene from the other side of the vehicle where the guy was actively struggling with the cops than broke free and ran around to the drivers door?
I havenāt seen anyone else talking about that.
This brings up a few questions
- Why would you struggle if you know you have warrants out for arrest?
- Why would you quickly run to the other side of the car if not to retrieve something?
Jacob Blake seen struggling with officers before being shot, new video shows | Fox News
I am not saying the use of force was appropriate, as thatās for the people investigating to decide. However, there is definitely more to the story than the first viral video.
Please tell me what burning down unrelated private businesses has to do with protesting the government and government agencies? I understand vandalism of those buildings to get your point across but leave private citizens and their livelihoods out of it.
Turns out Blake had a knife.
Wisconsin Justice Department investigators recovered a knife from the driverās side floorboard of the car into which Jacob Blake Jr, was leaning when he was shot in the back by a police officer three days ago, the state attorney general said on Tuesday.
Attorney General Josh Kaul also told a news conference that Blake, 29, a Black man whose wounding by police has left him paralyzed and the city of Kenosha, Wisconsin, torn by civil strife, had admitted to investigators that he had a knife in his possession at the time.
The guy who recorded the first video reported that the cops were telling Blake to ādrop the knifeā, but he didnāt see one and in the video it isnāt clear whether he had one. Either he dropped the knife after he opened the car door or it was already laying on the floor.
Without spectators, there is less money in pro sports. Now they switch to political activism.
A few weeks ago all the sports headlines were about who kneeled and who didnāt. Things are weird.
Their knees must be getting sore
Raptors coach says Toronto, Boston players have discussed boycott, other ideas
I think I have a solution, instead of the national anthem they can play this instead:
Bitch please, get down on your goddamn knees
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Welp.
And now looting in Minneapolis over a man who actually shot himself.
It makes you wonder if any of these people rioting and looting actually care about the ones that died or if they just see this as an opportunity to steal things and destroy other peopleās property. There were a lot of other incidents in the past where the cops were clearly wrong and nothing much happened, now they go crazy over anything. I blame the politicians and the media for encouraging this.
Guess that will teach him about bringing a knife to a gun-fightā¦
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Everyone out past curfew was unlawfully assembled. The cops literally thanked the militia for assembling, and then in the next sentence ordered someone off the street because they were unlawfully assembled.
Iād wager the large majority of rioters are there just to fuck shit up and watch the world burn. No other real motive.
Ran? You think he ran around the car? I have no problem with the rest of your description, but he certainly did not run. He very clearly and deliberately walked.
The issue is whether police needed to put 7 bullets into the guy. Not whether he was a good person, or whether he was doing anything illegal or made good decisions.
The issue is whether or not lethal force was justified to stop the threat in that specific situation. Despite starting a thread to explain the basics of lethal force laws to you, complete with actual LEOs chiming in, you still feel compelled to share your uninformed thoughts on lethal force situations.
Have you ever considered reading a book on the subject instead?
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I get it. But youāve been advocating for deescalation, letting people assemble and protest at night (past curfews). Youāve said things in these threads that have at least implied (to me) you would not be a fan of prosecution for many of those still assembled after riots had been declared.
You canāt advocate that the young man be held for unlawful assembly if you wonāt advocate for the same thing for all the others. It just doesnāt work. Are you saying you wish everyone in the entire city area had been arrested for unlawful assembly?
Iām saying the law should be applied equally, and in this case itās obvious the cops gave the vigilante militia a pass, while they did not give a pass to others out and about that night.
They literally thanked the militia, and then the next sentence was telling other folks to get off the street as they were unlawfully assembled.
Yes, because laws can and should change. This isnāt a law discussion. If you want that, please go back to your thread. We are discussing right and wrong here, and whether the shooting was justified, not necessarily if it was lawful.
If you canāt see that nuance, we will have a tough time having a productive discussion.
There is no nuance here. There are no scenarios where a shooting can be unjustified and lawful. The justifications, eg self-defence, are what makes the unlawful lawful.
If the cops bait a suspect into grabbing for a weapon, if cops use a gun because itās easier, if the cops shoot someone for reaching into a glovebox without seeing a weapon, etc. All lawful, all not justified from an ethical standpoint.
The law is everchanging for a reason. Not everything lawful is justified from an ethical standpoint. Thatās how laws change.
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