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It makes little difference whether or not he had a gun in the car. If he didnāt, there was no way for the cops to know that and they have to assume the worst in a situation like that, and at the same time if he did have one they couldnāt know for sure. The problem is that they let him open the car and start to get in before opening fire, there was two of the and one of him, why canāt they just grab him and cuff him like normal? And donāt they have pepper spray and batons on them? This was a complete failure to de-escalate the situation.
Going hands on could have escalated things as well.
Yes. This the what I was going to reply to you Cali but Chris beat me to it. If they didnāt find a gun there will certainly be many people who will see it as a damning piece of evidence against the police but itās beside the point.
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Maybe but then at least they would be justified in shooting him. In this case, I donāt believe that they were.
While I waitā¦
https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1297768149358714886?s=20
What Iām wondering is how they plan to enforce a communist tyranny without police? I suppose the plan must be to terrorize people into accepting a totalitarian government after the police are weakened to the point where they canāt protect people from criminals and left wing rioters.
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I hate when politicians have to plug into the racial componentā¦
Are you saying that a cop can shoot someone in the back because he thinks that a suspect might be reaching for a deadly weapon, even though there was no reasonable evidence to assume that he was?
If so, you could be reaching for license & registration and a cop could put a bullet in your head for shits and gigs because he āthought you might be reaching for a gunāā¦ and āthey have to assume the worstā.
My understanding is that a cop has to reasonably believe his life, or another life is in imminent danger to use deadly force. Unless Mr Blake announced he was going for his gun, or in some other way implied he was going to grab a deadly weapon i donāt see how a cop could reasonably believe there was an imminent deadly threat without seeing that threat first.
This is what happened with Philando Castile in MN. He didnāt get it in the head, but was reaching for his wallet when shot. Cop was acquitted.
He did mention he had a gun before he was killed. That was a mistake.
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Yep, and him announcing he had a gun was the why the officer could reasonably assume he was reaching for a gun. Is there a civil suit going on, or a settlement?
In this case, ill wait for a police statement, but if there was no indication of Mr Blake going for a gun, then i do think there not being a gun is damning. Optics are really not good, and a lot of assumptions right now, so hopefully the KPD issues a statement quickly.
No, thatās not what Iām saying. Iām assuming there was no way for them to know for sure, but they thought he did have a weapon, and then did what they did. You donāt know that there was no reasonable evidence to suggest that he did or didnāt have a weapon. I donāt know enough about police work to judge their actions based on what we can see from the video. The investigation will decide.
What we do know is that like the Rayshard Brooks killing, this guy wouldnāt have been shot had he just obeyed orders. Pretty simple.
Not sure TBH.
The issue with a car is they can find anything that could be seen as a potential weapon. They could claim the shiny seat buckle looked like a knife for example. There is a lot of stuff that they can claim, and it would be near impossible to prove that they didnāt feel threatened.
You should stop with the victim blaming. Not a good look. No one deserves to be shot 8 times in the back for simply not obeying orders.
Looks like $3mil to the castilo family, and $800k to the girlfriend.
Yeah, the cop will obviously claim he thought Mr Blake was reaching for a knife/gun, etc. The jury will be the one to decide if that is believable. It will be tough to defend that shooting if no weapon is found and no threat or threat of a weapon was made by Mr Blakeā¦ especially with all the shots being at Mr Blakeās back.
Iāll blame the cops as well if the shooting wasnāt justified. But what I wrote is the truth and Iād like to see less people senselessly shot by the police. To be clear, I think the cops in the Brooks killing were at fault and I said it on this forum. But Brooks made a huge mistake by running, just like Blake did by walking away and reaching for something in his car.
I need to take a look again but wanāt this guy wanted on warrant for sexual assault/domestics and had already been tased at least?
Not saying you shoot a guy for resisting and walking away from his arrest to a waiting vehicle for who knows whatā¦Either way, this is one cop what actually fired, correct? Is this really how itāll go for now on? In violent America, in violent neighborhoods there will always be these incidents. It will never be 100%. At least wait to see?
Two years ago I was at a Motor vehicle crash where a drunk plowed into 2 parked cars and only stopped when he hit a tree. He was trying to reach back into the car, which escalated into the police taking him down, which involved him going face first into the pavement. There was a pistol laying in the passenger seat (turned out it was stolen), that I had seen a few seconds before while I was doing my walk around.
When he started fighting the cops, I started trying to get in the passenger side door to get the gun, or at least put up a fight for it. The passenger door was locked, so I was digging in my pocket for my window punch about the time shithead hit the pavement.
If that officer hadnāt been strong enough, skillful enough and unafraid of going hands on, it would have been me and shithead fighting over that pistol.
So Iāll victim blame all day. Dumbass should have complied with the police.
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Yesterday in Kenosha, Wisconsin, Jacob Blake was shot seven times in the back as police attempted to restrain him from getting into his car. His children watched from inside the car and bystanders watched in disbelief. And this morning, the nation wakes up yet again with grief and outrage that yet another Black American is a victim of excessive force. This calls for an immediate, full and transparent investigation and the officers must be held accountable.
These shots pierce the soul of our nation. Jill and I pray for Jacobās recovery and for his children.
Equal justice has not been real for Black Americans and so many others. We are at an inflection point. We must dismantle systemic racism. It is the urgent task before us. We must fight to honor the ideals laid in the original American promise, which we are yet to attain: That all men and women are created equal, but more importantly that they must be treated equally.
Why does this also have to be linked with sytemic racism instead of maybe just being a cop panicking? White people have lost their lives not following, or even when trying to follow, orders during their arrest/detainment. So why unnecessarily fan flames by bringing both racism and an officer involved shooting together in a statement?
A restrained white has in fact died while pinned down listening to his arresting officers laugh at him. A white man has been shot to death not following directions (see video above provided by Nick).
I despise this waiting around for a Karen to make a national story out of. Or a police related death to kick off some violence and destruction over.
Canāt we at least wait?