There won’t be any crosses. Maybe flags though.
I have a real short fuse for this kind of thing. It’s one reason I like to try to make sure I know what all the castle laws and such are. I can easily imagine myself going to jail for my response to a mob of people with a history of violence showing up at my door in the middle of the night.
In general I’m very mild mannered in real life. But, if pressed long enough or on certain issues eventually the velvet glove comes off.
I don’t care what their history is, if you wake me up there is going to be a problem.
I would be equally upset at being woken up, but if a protest had a long history of simple marching and chanting with no violence or assault I would be much less likely to cause a problem.
I can think of several instances where I got out of bed and got dressed to go after people making noise around my place at night, if you are right at my door or my window it won’t be a happy ending.
Certainly not this one
I can tell you right now if there’s an angry crowd of people AT MY DOOR (on my actual property), it is very possible that a shotgun and baseball bat are the first things they see when I open the door. I’m not sure about the castle laws in that location, but in mine it wouldn’t be a problem.
I am very sympathetic to the folks in those houses.
Not Feds protecting federal property. The Nat. Guard to stomp out the riots. And any day is a good day to put an end to this mess. But letting these maniacs show these local politicians up isn’t a bad thing either. But I don’t want people to get hurt but I guess it’s too late for that.
It’s bible’s and churches and police stations and houses they will burn…
There’s been a lot of discussion of castle doctrine and angry mobs lately. Going outside, especially in anger is a very bad strategy, tactically and legally.
Tactically, you’re exposing yourself, and there are likely people in that crowd who are carrying firearms, and as I read somewhere on the internet, “as committed to their cause as suicide bombers.” Staying inside the protection of your home is your best bet for survival.
Legally, self defense hinges on being able to articulate a reasonable fear for your life and/or the lives of your loved ones. If you’re “afraid” then why would you go outside? On the other hand, if there is a house on fire down the road, and you see molotov cocktails, then do what you have to do, and Godspeed.
Just know that any armed response from you can result in you dead, in prison for the rest of your life, or financially ruined. Also, even if you avoid those pitfalls, you still have to live with the fact that you killed a 19 year old. So it absolutely has to be worth it.
In my experience people do not think or make good decisions in stressful and unfamiliar situations. You don’t need war games and complicated strategies. Just think long and hard about where that line is. If some mob is bashing my wife’s car that’s parked on the street, well, that’s what insurance is for.
I don’t believe that at all.
Just turn on the sprinklers; they hate anything that resembles a shower.
I do believe it. Have you ever tried to stop traffic on a highway? I have.
Thanks Gabby. I certainly wasn’t clear in my rather irritated post, but I have absolutely no intention of stepping outside my home to deal with anything like that for the exact reasons you mentioned.
If someone is pounding on my door at the head of a mob, there’s no going outside anyway. Nor would there be a need to: they’re at your door, definitely on your property, and I don’t know of a person who wouldn’t feel threatened.
I do like Z’s comment about using the sprinklers though. That most definitely could work lol.
Really not trying to butt in, but, I posted this the other day on my Tactical Life thread, thought it might contain some useful information. Be safe, brother.
Thought for the day:
Failure to plan is planning to fail.
This post is a little different from my generally generic advice tailored to meet requirements in other areas. I am writing this post with Americans in mind, especially those living in or near our major cities. Violence, lawlessness, rioting and chaos continues to spread from Portland to NYC, with no solution from our snowflake leaders. If you live in one of these lawless cities, it’s time for you to make some concrete plans to protect yourself, your family, and your property.
Before the Feds picked me up full time, I worked in Iraq and Djibouti for a PMC, specializing in close protection and hostage rescue. The work requires more planning since you don’t have a lot of access to a QRT. “Failure to plan, is planning to fail” takes on a whole new meaning when you are 20 miles deep in hostile boondocks with only your own resources to survive.
You can develop a broad plan by enlisting the 6 principles we used to plan our missions:
Weapon s: self-explanatory and if you are against learning to use a firearm, and still believe guns are the devils brew, you are going to have difficult time surviving a violent attack. It is time to realize that evil can only be stopped by good men with a gun. Is your family’s protection worth more than your beliefs?
Transportation : You live in Portland and the terrorists are starting to invade the neighborhoods of the city, burning homes, looting and destroying everything you have worked for. You need to get your family and leave, but, your vehicle has been neglected by your laziness and has a dead battery, or the fuel is low’ or your tires are slick and bald. Your family is trapped because you failed to plan and used the old time worn excuse” I will do it next week”. I have evaded more trouble by being able to egress than I ever have shooting it out.
Communications : Never, ever, either you or your family, be without communications. If you have a plan with a major carrier, I suggest buying a backup burner phone for each family member. Don’t be dependent on one carrier with your families’ lives, get them a second phone, teach them how to use it, and always have them nearby.
*Back up: Back up is sparse in the red desert and the same for you in Chicago or Seattle. The idea situation would be you would have trained family members to call on in case of emergency, but, you may be like me, and have no family. If no one is there to back you up, then transportation becomes even more important. You must find at least 3 escape venues. Before the Marist terrorists attacked our cities, I would have advised you to find a police station. No more, ignore the city police, try to find a National Guard facility ,or a state police precinct, or a military base you can drive close enough to park and not get shot. If none of those are in your area, get a hardcopy map and memorize your exit streets and roads. Find the nearest state park and go there, I have never known of anyone rioting in a camp ground. Use your awareness, look for safe havens, I don’t know your area, so, that is on you.
Do not rely on major police departments for back up. During the riots in Portland last night, (60) 911 calls went unanswered because the police were fighting the terrorists).
Mental: during a crisis is no time to think about what you should do, you already should have some mental plans on what you are going to do. Take the time now to think about where you stand on your beliefs on how you will deal with violence. Will you allow your property or possessions to be destroyed or stolen? Are you capable of responding to violence with violence? Know yourself. Know that simply leaving before violence escalates is the smartest legal decision, just don’t wait to the final minutes to act.
Miscellaneous: Your bug out vehicle kit is more important than ever. If you don’t have one, start building one now. Medical supplies, prescription medicines, food and water for at least three days, rain gear, spare clothes and COVID cleaning supplies are at the top of the list. Carry enough cash with you to buy food and fuel for at least a week. In third world countries, I always carried enough cash in case I was stopped a checkpoint and “fined” for using their roads. Don’t rely on finding an ATM, especially in an inner city. They are sparse in rural areas and my last work was in rural western Tennessee and two gas stations where I stopped did not take credit cards. I must have looked like an idiot walking around the pumps three times trying to find the credit card reader. Carry some spare cash.
Always excellent advice for everyone out there idaho. My irritated post above notwithstanding, I’ve thought about almost all of these. Your last point was amusing but true - my primary bad habit is not carrying cash unless I am traveling out of state, which I need to fix.
I am in a smaller town, and a red state, which is well out of the path of the riots so they don’t concern me on a personal level but I very much feel for people that have had this foisted on them.
Great advice, @idaho.
If running out on your porch with your shotgun in hand and your balls hanging out of your underwear shouting “Get the HELL off my lawn!!!” is your only “plan?”
You’ll probably get yourself killed.
That might be enough since Antifa would be scared of something they have never seen.
LOL!
Outstanding, @zecarlo!
I wish the riots would stop long enough for us to look at some serious problems most people agree on already. Like this:
There’s no reason for ketamine to be used. Period.
This is insane. BLM rioters armed with semi-auto rifles have shut down the street in #Kenosha and ordered a Sheriff’s vehicle to stop. Video by
Portland Police try desperately to extinguish the flames on the police precinct started by #antifa. Rioters on the ground celebrate the arson attack. #PortlandRiots
Here’s the latest police killing. Yeah he could have been going for a gun, but there was two cops right behind him, why didn’t they grab him before he got to the car?
I’ve got some real problems with that article. I’m just an EMT basic, don’t know much about pharmacology, but I know garbage journalism when I read it.
Just read the first paragraph. Apparently the police in Colorado just go around randomly choking people of color and injecting them with powerful drugs.
The family of the victim in that story is suing the fire department, because they’re the ones that dosed him, not the police, but the article is written to jump on the “let’s all shit on the cops” bandwagon. You have to read pretty deep into the article, which most people probably won’t do to find out that it was the paramedics who used the Ketamine, not the police.
The fire department will likely pay up, and the family’s shitbag lawyer will make a killing. Ketamine might go away, and it might need to, but the problem with still be there, people who are fucked up out of their mind on god only knows what, and the chumps who work for public safety will still have to deal with them.
Trust me, I just did this the day before yesterday. Fighting with people who are trying to kick and bite you while covered in their own shit and puke is nobody’s idea of a good time.
So what do we sedate him with? Whatever we use will have potential side effects, 0.002 percent of the people will die, probably from the shit they were already on, and armies of shitbag lawyers will make a fortune suing the departments we work for.
Once you get past the “people of color” and fuck the police type stuff, the basic fact is a paramedic fucked up estimating the patient’s weight (a patient they were fighting with) and gave him too much of a medication that killed him. Paramedics fuck up every day and there’s a lot of dangerous shit in that drug box. That’s the main reason why I’m still just a basic.
I guess it will get to the point that when the patient is being combative we’ll just go stand over by the fire truck until they go completely unresponsive, then we can do CPR. Of course then we’ll get sued for all of the broken ribs.