George Floyd Riots

Well even if it is said, I doubt that the root cause of the problem will ever be addressed.

I’m sure the local drug dealers and armed robbers would disagree.

So does wearing masks

They only read the first half of the story before reaching their conclusion.

The ex-Toronto police chief Mark Saunders, a black man of Jamaican heritage, was one who didn’t seem afraid to address the issue. At the same time he announced that he was resigning he said the biggest problem is young black men killing each other. I guess he’s not a fool so he’s not going to stick around with a crippled police force.

Have you ever heard how Jamaicans talk about American blacks?

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FWIW, im sure that some of the business leaving Minneapolis is because of the riots/police defunding… but i would bet the majority are leaving because of the economic crisis we are going through and the shift to work-from-home that most people see as the future of the workforce.

And i agree that it is a real shame that SPD is losing Chief Best. She came up through the SPD, and made it all the way to Chief despite SPD being notoriously racist and sexist. One helluva officer. Even BLM Seattle called her retirement a loss to the community: Black Lives Matter Seattle-King County calls Chief Best's retirement a loss - MyNorthwest.com Her pay was due to be cut, she was of retirement age, why the fuck would she want to continue putting up with the shit of the past year? She helped reform the SPD, and was now facing a new impossible obstacle, so i dont blame her one bit for retiring with full benefits/pension.

It’s a victory for the racist white liberals because ACAB and black cops are all Uncle Toms and race traitors.

I’m thinking shouting this trash down rather than applauding it in the mainstream might be more helpful than harmful. If you want to cancel something, how about this? Heavens knows we need more young ladies in certain socio-economically disadvantaged communities to prostitute themselves as an act of empowerment. Should be demonstrating against the likes of Cardi B. 70% out of wedlock birth rate isn’t a foundation for any group.

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Thank God for Andy Ngo! If it wasn’t for him, the media would have ignored the violence. At least it’s being shown, all the more reason to designate BLM a domestic terrorist organization.
My fear is that the only thing that’s going to force Oregon to put a stop to it is a mass casualty event. I hope I am wrong.

Controlling crime or anything else by merely reducing the population is horrific. Sure it would work, but eliminating life has some minor ethical problems. Why don’t we just nuke high population zones, especially those with high crime rates? It would work… Significant reduction in population, significant reduction in crime.

This is impressive. Thanks for letting us know. If I were major retailers in Chicago, I would leave and never come back. Like many are doing in New York.

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It was weird. The local NPR affiliate here has some straight nutjobs on their panel discussions sometimes and last night, arguments were being made that Chief Best brought this on herself by not doing enough to change the SPD, and by not publicly challenging the officers more. Another panel guest was saying that there was no way that she would have been treated so poorly by the public if she were a white man. Its always a little wild to hear some of these panel guests toss out illogical (sometimes obviously bigoted) opinions and analysis of current events. Its like the lefty version of hearing a dumb blonde politician from GA talk about the QAnon conspiracy as though it were fact haha.

Maybe the problem is there are too many outlets for peoples opinions? Maybe opinions can be shared too easily nowdays and that allows folks to find other nutters with similar thinking and feel totally validated, where as a few decades ago it wasnt nearly as easy to find other nutjobs so dumbdumbs kept their nutty opinions to themselves for fear of social retribution.

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I think you close to the root of the problem and this is a piece of it.
The problem lies not in everyone sharing their opinion but in the belief that their opinion is as valid as anyone’s who is objectively more qualified to discuss the subject than they are.
It’s the reason why Jenna McCarthy thinks her opinion on vaccines is as valid as the American Pediatric Association’s.

It isn’t reducing population if those people never existed. Normal death is what would reduce the population. There isn’t anything unethical about not having children.

This isn’t even close to my position.

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Don’t get me started on what abortion is… it’s murder, plain and simple.
Even if you take the BC angle, who the hell does not know what a rubber is and how to use it by now?
Responsible people take precautions, your not talking about responsible people. They do not care.

Let the argument do the talking. It is possible for a lay person to be correct and the expert incorrect.

IMO, where the real problem lies is that many people don’t understand logic, and are unable to tell which position is not likely to be correct.

It isn’t according to law. It clearly isn’t simple.

Even if it is murder, some murder is justified. In this case, no other examples exist that would allow forced sharing of ones body for the existence of another. I’m not required by law to share my body with someone else to keep them alive.

Either way, going the bc route isn’t immoral or illegal even if it results in a smaller population.

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Yeah, they generally don’t have a positive view of them to say the least.

How does it compare to other places where the police haven’t been defunded? Everywhere is going to suffer, but places that can’t guarantee the safety of the public will end up worse.

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I see. Well your argument is solid, I will give you that. Unhinged and completely undo-able, even counter intuitive. China tried this already and they became more populated. Sooo, people are willingly going to do this. Even if you make them it won’t work as it did not in China. It did make an uneven population ratio of men to women. So in this vein, it’s easier just to kill all the bad people. Then kill those people for killing the bad people. Then we will have utopia…

That is true, but it is more likely that the expert has a better argument.

I don’t want the guy who puts tires on the car designing the safety system even if he has a decent idea.

I’m just saying to look at the bigger picture and realize that there is a much bigger driver at play on this topic than defunded police.

In Seattle, Amazon built a MASSIVE campus that dominates an entire neighborhood. Their workforce is going to be working from home for the forseeable future, and all of the shops and restaurants that rely on amazon employees are going bust and/or moving. Thats not because of defunded police, thats because pretty much anyone who works in a dtown core office job will be working from home for the foreseeable future and the businesses cant stay afloat with 5% of normal revenue. Similarly, businesses are not renewing or are breaking leases because they dont want to be paying six figures a month for office space that is going unused for the next 6 months at least.

Eventually, defunded police could be problem for these businesses in downtown cores, but thats only once people start going back to the office.

Yes I see exactly what you are talking about, we have the same situation here. What I’m saying is that you have to compare places that aren’t defunding the police to those that are to get a clear picture of how much of an impact that is having. Remember Minneapolis and NYC are having major crime waves right now too, and if the police were operating as usual it wouldn’t have gotten to this point.

Will anyone want to go back to the office or open up a business in a place that is experiencing a crime wave? That’s a major obstacle to economic recovery from COVID.