Probably some do but the government is pretty generous with low income families. Especially single parent ones. People who want to get ahead in life are the ones worrying about having enough money, people who are comfortable living off the system can live more comfortably when they have a few kids.
Go look at any housing project and see how many people there don’t have kids.
So do the shootings you hear about every day.
But the economy is fucked right now and on track to get worse. Can you realistically expect anything short of a miracle to get a large number of people out of poverty?
BLM’s website calls for abolishing the nuclear family.
Also end “hetero-normativity”
Good point. If you already killed a few of your kids then what the big deal if the one you let live kills someone else? Maybe they deserved it too.
It’s required for people to actually use those services
You could say “reduce funding”, but this compresses it into one word. Your issue is people mixing up with abolishing or disbanding the police. Either way it’s a bad idea.
How do social workers deal with two blood-soaked men threatening people with chainsaws on a beach? If you can answer that in a coherent manner then I might change my stance on defunding the police. Maybe retrain the police or something like that is a better idea, or clean up the police.
Well, white people did come up with the One Drop Rule so who better to decide who should be considered black enough to be considered black?
There was a time when white people knew calling a black person an Uncle Tom was racist. Now, they feel it’s OK if they are wearing a BLM shirt. It’s like the person who says they aren’t racist because they have a black friend.
I had a 15 year old student who was pregnant… with her second child, with the same adult “man.” I asked her, because I wasn’t thinking, “doesn’t your boyfriend believe in using condoms?” She laughed and said she wanted to get pregnant again with him because she thought they would be together. I then asked if her mother went to the cops because she was 13 having sex with someone who was too old to do so legally and she said no and that her mother liked the guy and liked having grandkids. Her mother even had legal custody of the first child because the girl left the baby home alone while she went to party with her friends.
Here’s the best part of her story: the guy she was planning to settle down with and have a family left her for the mother of another one of his kids. She was also older, as in 16. If there was anything good about the situation was that she stayed in school and was planning on finishing.
OK but when there are no cops available to respond then what? Toronto Chainsaw Massacre? It’s a city where just about every week now there are drive-by shootings on the highway at rush hour, I don’t think a single day goes by without a shooting. How is reducing funding to police going to help deal with that?
Interesting fact, the liberal party in Australia is the Conservative party! The political spectrum is a fluid medium, I disagree with the notion most left-wingers are insane/marxists. If this is what you’ve been exposed to it’s probably a byproduct of the people you talk to/associate with. I’ve also met tons of right wing people of whom I perceive to have extremist and/or radicalised views.
The majority of liberal AND conservative people are sane. Furthermore, the notion of a political spectrum means ideological affiliation will change based upon the issue at stake. Most people aren’t purely “liberal” or “conservative”.
I think people are just really fed up with the way things are currently being run hence they’ll put stock in a dramatically different approach no matter how archaic it is. Antifa if I’m not mistaken are an extremist, anarchistic, left wing group. There’s very little chance they’ll ever hold strong within the USA as the majority of the population don’t align with their policies.
Condoms also break, birth control can fail… if you’re sexually active, you should have access to condoms, birth control and abortion. That’s my opinion though, each to their own. My opinion shouldn’t hold much merit as I can’t get pregnant
They sorta had this where I lived in the USA… it… didn’t… work… at all. The whole “sex before marriage is immoral” schtick gets tiring and is virtually foreign where I currently live aside from very religious circles. Back in the day people were married at like what… thirteen? How can you expect hormonally driven kids to wait til their 20’s/30’s prior to having sex
No it isn’t - that’s what “classical liberal” means. US is the only country where “liberal” means “left wing” and this definition is slowly seeping into the international discourse. I suppose Myanmar and Liberia are also on board.
Cool… I didn’t know that. I just thought it was odd when people used “liberal” as an insult in the USA.
I don’t think it’s a realistic expectation to have. Adolescents get horny, adolescents socialise with members of the opposite sex. Put two and two together and I don’t think it’s realistic for people to abstain. Pornography probably isn’t the healthiest outlet to consistently use starting from a young age. I suppose one could argue it’s better than pregnancy.
As to video games, not all of us play video games. I rarely pick up a controller because I think it’s a waste of time (it is fun though). Certain teenagers (such as myself) also very seldom use social media. I’ve found people are amenable to saying things they otherwise wouldn’t say face to face as the facade of being behind a screen creates a false sense fo security wherein people are comfortable being cruel and unkind. This is alike being behind the wheel of a car… Not my cup of tea, perhaps I’ll give it a shot again one day.
The left wing in Australia(Labor) 20 years ago, would today be seen as the extreme right wing values, by the current left wing voters. The Liberals(conservative rwing) have gone to the left in the same time period. My values haven’t changed in the same period but my political allegiances have. I used to vote Labor, but I won’t go anywhere near them today. I hate the Liberals too, so I always try to vote independent to at least to provide some sort of foil in the attempt to keep the bastards honest.
I’m talking about people who support defunding the police
This is the same city council that voted to completely disband the police.
Canada too for some time now, Trudeau’s party is called Liberal and is definitely left wing. There is an extreme left party called NDP (National DEMOCRATIC Party) who has members affiliated with Marxist groups and one who called for gun owners to be killed with drones. Kind of looks like the word “democracy” is starting to get a bad name too.
Are you telling me that both the Democratic Republic of the Congo and the Democratic peoples Republic of Korea aren’t actually democratic, that they’re just using that word?
According to the DPRK website the people of North Korea are "completely liberated from exploitation and oppression ".
Again, the theory is that cops wouldnt be tied up addressing the day-to-day BS that could be handled by traffic cameras, or non-police (writing parking tickets, homeless/drug issues, low level domestics, etc)., so cops would be available to immediately respond. That combined with reducing officers to a minimum acceptable level (as calculated with input from community and the PD) would theoretically not affect response time.
Increasing cops helps suppress the symptoms. Taking money from PDs and investing in community efforts attempts to treat the disease. Ideally you do both at the same time, but there is limited money available (unless youre POTUS running for re-election trying to artificially prop up the stock market).
IMO, many folks are caught up in the headline grabbing extreme examples of “defunding”, and not realizing that all policies are negotiated and compromised on to moderate their effects before they get implemented. Not to mention that every city/municipality will come up with something different, so you should not judge with a broad brush. As with any govt program, there is a lot of fat and waste in PD budgets, so forcing them to become more efficient in spending is a good thing- goodness knows that they wont if not forced to… and when/if their budgets do get increased again, they will be able to make that extra budget go further.
Well, the Seattle police chief quit after they were defunded, the Toronto chief handed in his resignation recently and is now gone too, I suppose he must have known what was coming. On top of that look at all the businesses leaving Minneapolis after it was announced that they are defunding the cops. Some places are going to end up looking like Detroit with the businesses leaving and not enough cops to respond, on top of the experienced and competent cops getting the hell out of there.
The other stuff you are saying sounds nice in theory, but I don’t think it will actually go like that. We already have a non-police service writing parking tickets and punching people in the face for being in a closed park, that’s a non-issue here.
How do they actually do that though? As long as I can remember there have been various programs, drop-in centers, free sports clubs, etc. in low income neighborhoods. Maybe it’s better than not having those things at all, but kids still get mixed up in crime and as the years go by there are more and more shootings. I don’t think anyone can actually solve this issue in a simple way, the only thing I could think of is stuff like public hangings and that’s not about to happen.
There is no such thing. Another thing is that people lie when it comes to family. They won’t tell the cops beforehand that the individual has mental issues or owns a gun.
Studies have shown that both the PD and community want MORE cops. And, it has also been proven that a greater police presence means less crime. This is more middle class, suburban BS. No one in the ghetto has complained about too many cops, defunding or abolishing the cops, colonialism, capitalism, statues or white supremacy. This all comes from sociology, gender studies, africana, etc., majors who have the job title, professional activist.
If it’s my life or my kid’s life in the balance, I’m OK with that.
Which already receive lots of money and which do not work. This is more BS from outsiders. Schools have psychologists, SPED teachers, social workers. It doesn’t work because people are afraid to actually name the disease. Hence, just blaming everything on whiteness, white privilege, white supremacy, the patriarchy, capitalism…
Or maybe we look at the example the idiots use to prove how defunding or even disbanding a police force is effective: Camden, NJ. They talk about how after it abolished the police force crime was reduced. That is not exactly true. The county stepped in and took over policing. The number of police then doubled what it was previously and, the budget was higher than it was previously. So, twice as many cops and more spending = lower crime. Also, Camden is still a crime ridden shithole.
