George Floyd Riots

Just to reiterate, as if there was any ambiguity concerning the radicalism of the namesake organization, these are BLM organizers justifying looting as reparations.

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So, maybe we need to shift policies from raising the standard of living of our poverty class, and implement policies that focus on reducing the number of folks in poverty… While keeping the standard of living high still.

Idk how we do that, and I especially don’t know without dumping more money in.

Encouraging poor black people to abort their children would fit that description, it’s just optional but in the US it costs thousands to give birth in a hospital and you can get a free abortion in some places.

Trump needs to invite BLM to the White House after the election in order to thank them for his re-election.

Something like that, but right now things are on track to get worse for most people so maybe it’s not the right time. A lot of it has to do with people’s mindset, they see other people with more than them so they are unsatisfied with their lives. Then many of those same people aren’t willing to work to get ahead so they choose to rob people or sell drugs or whatever, and others just give up on life and go for a needle or a crack pipe. I guess you could call it the culture of poverty, that’s how it goes in a lot of places and it isn’t exclusive to any race.

How organized is BLM? Meaning, how much control do they have over the messaging, funding, actions, personel etc of their local branches?

Seems pretty loose and widely varying. Has the national chapter put out similarly inflammatory statements or support of these inflammatory statements?

I’m not convinced he’ll win because of his breathtakingly inept Covid response. But, if he does, it will be on the stupidly anemic response to Antifa and BLM by the press, the entertainment industry, and the Democrat party.

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Have you ever seen them publicly disapprove of any statement by a local branch?

For it to be eugenics though it would have to have the goal of promoting certain genetics and excluding others. The goal here is to reduce crime and poverty.

Those are just the facts of reality. It is less expensive not having children. The goal would be to have people of all races not have children if they can’t afford them.

It isn’t racially driven. It is poverty driven.

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Who says they can’t afford them? The main problem is people behaving irresponsibly, both in terms of what they spend their money on and how they raise (or fail to) their kids. Contrary to what some people preach, reducing the birth rate is actually not a good thing and will lead to serious problems in the near future. It would be better to encourage people to have 2-3 kids on average, seeing as things are sustainable as they are.

You might think this is great for the environment. A smaller population would reduce carbon emissions as well as deforestation for farmland.

ā€œThat would be true except for the inverted age structure (more old people than young people) and all the uniformly negative consequences of an inverted age structure,ā€ says Prof Murray.
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Who pays tax in a massively aged world? Who pays for healthcare for the elderly? Who looks after the elderly? Will people still be able to retire from work?

You can’t bite the hand that feeds…all those donations for social justice are just lining blue pockets with green.

Thus, lack of proper response.

Yeah…Shouldn’t we be expecting a quick disavowing of this chapter?

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I’ll have to wait to see which of the stupid parties (by my estimation, admittedly) gets their pocket padded the most effectively. They won’t get my money this time, but a third party will get my vote.

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The people who are potentially having children.

Sure, finding solutions to this is pretty damn tough IMO.

What serious problems?

This is where I was thinking you were going. I don’t think reducing the amount of people in poverty will have a negative impact on funding tax based programs because the poor don’t contribute all that much anyways when we look at what they pay in and what they cost.

How active is the national org with it’s messaging? I don’t follow them, do just curious what their messaging is.

I’d like them to come out against looters, etc. They are already mainstream, they might as well cut public ties with the extreme elements and just support them under the table.

Those are the same people who aren’t ready until their mortgage is paid off and they are about to retire. The funny thing is that you never hear actual poor people say that they can’t afford to have kids.

That there will be too many elderly people and not enough people to take care of them, plus where will the money come from to support them? You can’t have the majority of people unable to work. Read the article. It would be a major economic meltdown.

Getting people out of poverty and reducing the birth rate are two different things, aborting more babies accomplishes the latter. The question is whether you want to help poor people to live better or you just want to get rid of them. I don’t know what @zecarlo 's thoughts are on this particular topic, but this sort of thinking is why he says liberals are racists.

They haven’t yet, what makes you think it will happen now? People on the Minneapolis city council openly voiced support for antifa, they are going the complete opposite direction.

You are more like a moderate liberal of sorts, you have good intentions and such but most of these people are either Marxists or insane.

This is me lol, but I am not convinced actual poor people never say they can’t afford kids. I think it is quite common for poor people to express those feelings.

Agree to an extent. We need to have productive people to support those who are not. The poorest of people are generally not all that productive on the whole. Some certainly are.

The latter reduces the total amount of poor people. It also helps the potential poor parents get out of poverty as they now don’t have an additional huge expense. Maybe they have a child down the road when they are financially more stable.

This is a false dichotomy. My example above about helping the poor parents get out of poverty shows that it isn’t one or the other.

Toronto’s ex-conservative mayor announces they are defunding he police:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/tory-announces-sweeping-reforms-to-toronto-police-including-budget-reallocation/ar-BB17PRzM?ocid=msedgntp

These guys really needed a social worker:

I mean every demonstration (if not the riots), every sporting event, signaling of solidarity up and down Hollywood and broadway. Murals painted on streets as the founders were pulled down. Cringetastic Congress critters raising fists while wearing African colors and garments, signaling their virtuous solidarity with BLM. CNN personalities trying to corner a fellow black man into saying the holy mantra, BLM (ahhhmmmen), rather than all lives matter. Or, even simply,all black lives matter. White supplicants, including law enforcement, kneeling in inherited guilt.

Their absurd overreaction to law enforcement as black lives are so cheaply disposed of within the very communities they are supposedly championing…Somehow it’s their narrative winning out instead of the mainstream media finally demonstrating how absurdly misplaced any so called concern for black lives has been. A media that night after night fails to disseminate some hard and uncomfortable truth about just who is devaluing black lives these days.

Even the trans part of the mission is all but won. I have to roll my eyes as children shows have one young child ā€œcorrectā€ medical doctors that refer to a boy as if they were…well, a boy.

Oh, defunding of police forces even while those very officers are literally being set upon to be burned alive in their precincts. Yeah, sounds like a great time to cut back…

Yeah, pretty effective if you’re asking me.