Genetics

Training
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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]The Hoss wrote:

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]dcb wrote:
This is a really interesting topic and there are people working on it right now such as:

University of Maryland Functional Genomics Laboratory
Our laboratory focuses on two different areas of genetics: understanding the role of genetics (gene variation) in explaining how different individuals respond to various exercise programs and why similar people can respond differently to the same stimulus. And, we are examining how exercise/physical activity can influence DNA itself (e.g., telomere biology, epigenetics).

From their website I found this article: The ACTN3 R577X nonsense allele is under-represented in elite-level strength athletes - PMC
Which is one of the few that I’ve seen that has used high level bodybuilders and strength athletes as subjects.

However, although this kind of stuff is interesting it hardly matters to most people who can make great gains towards almost any physique goal even if they’re not as genetically gifted as top level athletes. It will have implications soon in athlete i.d. programs for any organization with enough money to run the tests though.
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Hell yes, and that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Sequencing technology is advancing so rapidly that the once fabled goal of the $1000 human genome is very near (one nextgen sequencer company claims it already). In the near future, getting your genome sequenced will be in the hundreds and will be a common medical practice, useful to discern genetic predisposition to disease, athletic potential, or genealogy/paternity. The possibility of genetic discrimination is a HUGE topic in ethics already. Sometimes, it’s scary to think about what genetics can do, especially when you consider the fact that it’s still a young branch of science with a lot of potential and is growing rapidly.[/quote]
I find the ethics of it all very interesting. You disclose to a health insurance firm if you smoke, prevelance of heart disease, etc., should they get access to your genome to check your genes as well? Should employers be able to check out your genome to see if there are genes that will hinder your performance? Will coaches start checking out players genomes before signing them up? (Not questioning you personally haha, just postulating)

I don’t know if the answer to any of those questions, or the others that arise, is a simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ but it certainly opens up a whole new world of ethical, philosophical and legal implications.

what I’d love to see would be a retrospective look at great athletes genomes, which I have no doubt will be possible in my lifetime - did they succeed because of their genetics, or in spite of them? [/quote]

Straight up out of that movie Gattica. [/quote]

Yeah, that was my first thought. “Gattaca” btw.

It’s crazy to think of, how human civilization may fall back into a class-system due to genetic propensities, risks and abilities.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
Going along with everybody’s posts:

Isn’t recovery ability also a genetic ‘factor’?

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Aside from metabolism, it is probably one of the most important. I can train 6 or 7 days a week because of my recovery ability.

This is one reason I cringe when I see people telling newbs that they will overtrain so easily. They won’t know one way or the other until they spend some time actually training so hard they ever get close to it.

In fact, to be honest, I don’t think any guy who has trouble training more than 3 days a week without “overtraining” will ever get that big to start with.[/quote]

ya, i think that far far far more many people under train than over train.

i dare anybody to tell me i have good genetics for strength and muscle, but i built myself up to training 2 times a day 5-7 days a week at one point and made progress doing it.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
Going along with everybody’s posts:

Isn’t recovery ability also a genetic ‘factor’?

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Aside from metabolism, it is probably one of the most important. I can train 6 or 7 days a week because of my recovery ability.

This is one reason I cringe when I see people telling newbs that they will overtrain so easily. They won’t know one way or the other until they spend some time actually training so hard they ever get close to it.

In fact, to be honest, I don’t think any guy who has trouble training more than 3 days a week without “overtraining” will ever get that big to start with.[/quote]

ya, i think that far far far more many people under train than over train.

i dare anybody to tell me i have good genetics for strength and muscle, but i built myself up to training 2 times a day 5-7 days a week at one point and made progress doing it.

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What did your split look like?

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[quote]
While there is a sliver of truth there (the tallest living man on record was 8’ 11"), it’s physiologically impossible for a perfectly proportioned homo sapien to grow to the size of some of the ‘remains’ in the clip. They would either collapse under their own weight or look distinctly non-human. We certainly wouldn’t share a common ancestor unless trees were bigger in the old days. Wait - they wouldn’t need to climb trees.

Ancient documents describing ancient kings as giants should be taken with a king-sized pinch of salt: by exaggerating their size, they were underlining their status. Vital to maintaining power and keeping challengers at bay. [/quote]

I’m always surprised at how short a stripper looks when she steps off the raised stage and takes her 10" platform heels off.

She was a queen among men… until you see her up close and realize the lights were much dimmer than you thought they were.

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IMO, too many people use genetics as an excuse to not reach their potential.

Just because you’re not genetically gifted doesn’t mean you can’t reach your potential… it just means you might have to take a different route to get there, and that route might take longer than the route someone else can take.

But, instead of investing the time and effort required they give up and choose to accept mediocrity, then tell you it’s because of their poor genetics instead of their lack of drive and determination.

I think that’s what most trainers talk about when they say that genetics don’t matter. It’s not that they literally don’t matter… it’s more that it’s not the most important factor in whether someone will reach the limits of their potential or not.

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[quote]The Hoss wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
Going along with everybody’s posts:

Isn’t recovery ability also a genetic ‘factor’?

[/quote]

Aside from metabolism, it is probably one of the most important. I can train 6 or 7 days a week because of my recovery ability.

This is one reason I cringe when I see people telling newbs that they will overtrain so easily. They won’t know one way or the other until they spend some time actually training so hard they ever get close to it.

In fact, to be honest, I don’t think any guy who has trouble training more than 3 days a week without “overtraining” will ever get that big to start with.[/quote]

ya, i think that far far far more many people under train than over train.

i dare anybody to tell me i have good genetics for strength and muscle, but i built myself up to training 2 times a day 5-7 days a week at one point and made progress doing it.

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What did your split look like?
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oh hell, your asking an old man with a failing memory to recall a lot,

um,

early am : light conditioning, mobility drills, trowing drills, 20-30 throws at 70-80% with 1-2 implements, then dynamic weight training(olympic lifts mostly at 50-70%), then warm down and more light conditioning(sleds dragging, short sprints)

early pm: light mobility work/dynamic warm up/very light conditioning, 20-30 throws with various puds(look it up), HEAVY weight training, ie push pressing, squats, deadlifts, high pulls OR substitute the weights with heavy duty jump drills(ill explain later), then more light conditioning and warm down.

my intense jump drill sessions consisted of mostly body weight stuff, but considering my size at the time, 260-270lbs, and what i was doing they were pretty intense.

-jump squats load bar an old rusty beat up warped bar with 95-225lbs, out on the field not in a gym, clean it to my back like i am doing squats, go down about 1/4-1/2 way and jump as hard up as possible, launching the bar off my shoulders into the air and letting it free fall to the ground. pick it up and repeat after a short rest.

-bleacher hops go up the bleachers steps hopping on two legs taking 2 at a time or on one leg one at a time.

long -hops basically a series of long jumps in a row

  • med ball drills, simulate various throws with heavy med balls instead of the actual implement

-punches while on knees, with two hands, violently launch a shot or med ball from chest as far a possible

  • take a med ball or a shot and throw it underhanded straight up and back as far as possible, really tear a piece of yourself off when you do this, to the point you have no control over your body at release, you go flying backwards and land on pads.

there are a million.

whew, that was a trip down memory lane…