Don’t you just fucking hate it when people make any excuse not to work out. I have more sympathy for the people that know they need to work out, but are too lazy too and admit it. I despise the people who are rigorous in their idiocy.
For instance, some girl at work said that if you stop working out, for every pound of muscle you have, you will gain 3 lbs of fat for it. I said that is complete bullshit because even if muscle did turn into fat, muscle has 4 calories per gram and fat has 9 calories per gram, thus the conversion would equal LESS fat than muscle. This is not even including muscle memory. I didn’t even try to explain that those people who worked out probably just lifted weights when in high school for a sport then got fat off of McDonald’s after giving up lifting.
The second thing that pisses me off about these people is that even when you throw facts and science in their face, they go… "uh huh, its [this nonsensical statement that I have learned from shitty second hand knowledge]. For instance, I was telling one of the finer looking women at my work that she should try the free weights sometimes, she said she doesn’t want to look muscular. I told her she would need a lot more testosterone and years of training to look “bulky”, but she refuses to touch weights and just wants to do her pilates. I even tried to explain to her that if she just used resistance bands she would be stimulating her muscles, but nope… I’m a dumb ass that doesn’t know shit. God I wanna punch those ignorant fat retards in the face sometimes.
Sorry for the rant, but post up some of the stupid shit fat\ignorant people give to you for their reasons why they don’t work out.
yeah youre better off just ignoring them. no point in trying to educate someone who doesnt want to learn. just think how you wouldve reacted say 3-4 years before you started training in the same situation.
reality is that majority of people see being fit as brad pitt in fight club. they think fat turns to muscle and vice versa, they think lifting stunts your growth and grossly underestimate the time and effort involved a la the excuse to “not get too big”. oh this is one of my favorites, hitting low reps to get “mass” and high reps to “get cut”.
but yeah i totally understand how frustrating it is to hear someone say something completely incorrect. my friend the other day said he felt his chest getting worked when he did curls.
If I had a dollar for everytime a girl told me she didn’t want to use weights because she didn’t want to get “big and bulky” or everytime a guy told me all he needs to do is “bench, curls, shoulders…and just jog for legs” I’d have enough Flameout, Superfood, Metabolic Drive, and Grow! Whey to last me a while.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
yeah youre better off just ignoring them. no point in trying to educate someone who doesnt want to learn. just think how you wouldve reacted say 3-4 years before you started training in the same situation.
reality is that majority of people see being fit as brad pitt in fight club. they think fat turns to muscle and vice versa, they think lifting stunts your growth and grossly underestimate the time and effort involved a la the excuse to “not get too big”. oh this is one of my favorites, hitting low reps to get “mass” and high reps to “get cut”.
but yeah i totally understand how frustrating it is to hear someone say something completely incorrect. my friend the other day said he felt his chest getting worked when he did curls.[/quote]
Holy shit, some of my teammates said the said thing about curls. Weird, huh?
I have found the same problem with other people. But, I don’t care anymore. I simply state I know what I’m doing, and let them be.
Try being a trainer, qualified and experienced - and having a paying client turn around and say - “Are you SURE this exercise is suitable for me?” or “I dont usually do this” in a ‘for your information’ kinda way…
or even “how will you know if i am doing the training you want me to do, when you are not with me?”
uhh… because i’ll ask you - and then you will tell me the truth maybe?
True story.
Its a hard life… Especially when one is trying to ‘train’ those who only employed one’s services to get maximum results with the minimum amount of effort!
My housemate actually said some funny stuff the other day too - but he can be forgiven, as he doesnt lift - he goes jogging. He is like 140lbs at 5’10" or so.
The first was the classic… “if you stop training will all your muscle turn to fat?” and “i used to lift a couple times a week - but it didnt work”…
[quote] Brook wrote:
Try being a trainer, qualified and experienced - and having a paying client turn around and say - “Are you SURE this exercise is suitable for me?” or “I dont usually do this” in a ‘for your information’ kinda way…
or even “how will you know if i am doing the training you want me to do, when you are not with me?”
uhh… because i’ll ask you - and then you will tell me the truth maybe?
True story.
Its a hard life… Especially when one is trying to ‘train’ those who only employed one’s services to get maximum results with the minimum amount of effort!
My housemate actually said some funny stuff the other day too - but he can be forgiven, as he doesnt lift - he goes jogging. He is like 140lbs at 5’10" or so.
The first was the classic… “if you stop training will all your muscle turn to fat?” and “i used to lift a couple times a week - but it didnt work”…
Who gives a shit. Are you going to spend your entire life trying to convince people who aren’t educated on the subject of something that they do not want to accept? It is almost like you are the teacher giving unwanted advice and then getting mad when people don’t take it.
[quote] Brook wrote:
“how will you know if i am doing the training you want me to do, when you are not with me?”
uhh… because i’ll ask you - and then you will tell me the truth maybe?
Brook[/quote]
You just blew my mind; I can’t believe somebody would pay for such a service and then ask such a question. It’s just… I don’t know man… holy fuck, I can’t understand how it is possible to have such a bad attitude and actually think on such wavelengths.
I think the most annoying thing is people who aren’t educated on the subject trying to educate me on the subject. Now it isn’t a problem any more because I always use to say: “I don’t take advice from anybody who isn’t stronger than me”. It works. People who are strong don’t tend to talk as much shit because it takes a brain and hard work to be strong unless of course you are a genetic freak or using every damn performance-enhancing drug available
I’m with you on that. I hate when people complain that they don’t work out enough, but I never see them attempt to walk in the gym. There’s always an excuse. I have to restrain myself from punching them in the face.
[quote]DanErickson wrote:
Who gives a shit. Are you going to spend your entire life trying to convince people who aren’t educated on the subject of something that they do not want to accept? It is almost like you are the teacher giving unwanted advice and then getting mad when people don’t take it.[/quote]
Well you are wrong about something, a lot of the time it’s not unwanted advice. I’m a trainer as well, or even if it’s just a guy who’s big and strong, the little kids ask for advice, constantly. When that advice includes deadlifts and squats they bitch and moan and don’t listen. They ask, then don’t listen, it’s frustrating.
Hell I’ve even had a few men give me the common girl excuse to not lifting weights, they don’t want to get like arnold bulky, they just like the toned muscular look. For that thought process they do very little work with weights and only do bench and curls, I’m pretty sure arnold didn’t get bulky overnight.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
but yeah i totally understand how frustrating it is to hear someone say something completely incorrect. my friend the other day said he felt his chest getting worked when he did curls.[/quote]
The pec muscles play a supporting roll when doing curls so it’s not surprising to hear someone report that they feel them working during these movements; so your friends comment is most likely accurate.
[quote]DanErickson wrote:
Brook wrote:
“how will you know if i am doing the training you want me to do, when you are not with me?”
uhh… because i’ll ask you - and then you will tell me the truth maybe?
Brook
You just blew my mind; I can’t believe somebody would pay for such a service and then ask such a question. It’s just… I don’t know man… holy fuck, I can’t understand how it is possible to have such a bad attitude and actually think on such wavelengths.[/quote]
i think its a psychological thing. these are generally people have asserted they have a problem but rather than excell they would rather skate by. the thing is they dont understand that its about them its about how “you” look and you cant just skate by on making an appearance change.
think of it like this, take whatever class you hated in school, the one where you always waited to the last minute to do the homework, never took notes, the one you just wanted to get out of the way with a C- or something. thats how these people view training. they dont make the same connection with it as we do. we love it, were into it 100% this is a huge portion of our lives. for them though its like ok, im gonna go to the gym to “go to the gym” and im gonna half ass everything because either they dont really want to change or theyre just too lazy to put in that work.
i cant be that mad at them though. well, unless of course you say something like “how do you know im followin this at home?” because if you want to waste your money go for it, you dont get a C in this class, its a continuous thing and the class is 24/7. as a trainer you arent a teacher in the sense that its not up to you whether they pass or not, you have no control over how hard they try you cant take out your sharpie and write down a grade, they get their grade through pain, sweat, and dedication. if anything its all homework and youre just a tutor, not a teacher.
[quote]905Patrick wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
but yeah i totally understand how frustrating it is to hear someone say something completely incorrect. my friend the other day said he felt his chest getting worked when he did curls.
The pec muscles play a supporting roll when doing curls so it’s not surprising to hear someone report that they feel them working during these movements; so your friends comment is most likely accurate.[/quote]
really, explain how they play this “supporting role”. the chest does absolutely nothing in the curl movement. it moves because either you move your shoulder which causes the chest to move or because you put arm against your chest which will also cause it to move. regardless, your chest takes no part in the actual workload of curling. how many people have you heard of getting their biceps overpowered by pecs in curls?
[quote]PF_88 wrote:
Well you are wrong about something, a lot of the time it’s not unwanted advice. I’m a trainer as well, or even if it’s just a guy who’s big and strong, the little kids ask for advice, constantly. When that advice includes deadlifts and squats they bitch and moan and don’t listen. They ask, then don’t listen, it’s frustrating.
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The most successful trainers are the ones who don’t give away very much because they know that their knowledge is worth ONLY what people are willing to pay for it. Case in point the little kids who don’t listen to the deadlift or squatting advice you give. You know that if they paid $100 an hour they’d listen and implement EVERYTHING that came out of your mouth.
You shouldn’t feel bad about telling them it is going to cost them money if you are going to answer their questions because charging these types of people is the only way they are ever going to implement anything you tell them.
[quote]Scrotus wrote:
Heres my tip, Ignore them.[/quote]
That is damned good advice, but I like silence, so sometimes I try to think of something mean to say so these people won’t bother me with this shit anymore.
[quote]PF_88 wrote:
DanErickson wrote:
Who gives a shit. Are you going to spend your entire life trying to convince people who aren’t educated on the subject of something that they do not want to accept? It is almost like you are the teacher giving unwanted advice and then getting mad when people don’t take it.
Well you are wrong about something, a lot of the time it’s not unwanted advice. I’m a trainer as well, or even if it’s just a guy who’s big and strong, the little kids ask for advice, constantly. When that advice includes deadlifts and squats they bitch and moan and don’t listen. They ask, then don’t listen, it’s frustrating.
Hell I’ve even had a few men give me the common girl excuse to not lifting weights, they don’t want to get like arnold bulky, they just like the toned muscular look. For that thought process they do very little work with weights and only do bench and curls, I’m pretty sure arnold didn’t get bulky overnight.[/quote]
I understand what you are saying but we are talking about him preaching to some girl at work.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
really, explain how they play this “supporting role”. the chest does absolutely nothing in the curl movement. it moves because either you move your shoulder which causes the chest to move or because you put arm against your chest which will also cause it to move.
regardless, your chest takes no part in the actual workload of curling. how many people have you heard of getting their biceps overpowered by pecs in curls?[/quote]
Do a few 1 arm curls and feel your chest contacting as you lift the weight. It works with the back to stabilize the upper arm - it’s involved in a supporting way.
I don’t think your friend is out of line saying he feels his pecs work when he does curls.