I suppose, that doesnt stop constantly regurgitated series’ like CoD from continually garnering 9+ point review scores though. [/quote]
My taste is more in line with yours, but I can also see why COD gets a 9+ score. Whether your a fan or not you have to admit the re-play value is there, the mechanics are there, and it can be fun IF it’s your cup of tea.
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
AC III is horrible…I’m not excited for AC IV at this point.
I liked the UI, the timeline, and the father-son premise, but the game really felt flat.[/quote]
I would say its far from horrible, its really a very good game if you’re judging it by itself, but in the context of the series and what came before it, its the weakest entry since the first one in my opinion.
ACII>ACB=ACR>ACIII>ACI IMO[/quote]
Yeah, come to think of it, Black Flag actually does have a lot of potential if they can meld the respective successes of III and Brotherhood/Revelations. Maybe I should order AC II…[/quote]
You never played ACII?
It would by in my top 10 games of this console generation, its that good.
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I am interested in seeing the rest of this list, it’s pretty obvious you have some serious passion for video games man and some deep insight… You would be an awesome reviewer to work at say game spot or something!
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Thanks, i suppose that should be taken as a compliment. Im very into games that create a memorable and resonant experience/atmosphere, so im sure the absence of games such as CoD would be an instant turn off for some lol.
Thats a list that would take more thinking than i have time for at the moment though, maybe ill try to come up with something a little later. [/quote]
I don’t think most ‘critic’ type people would even bat an eye at the lack of ‘blockbuster’ style games not being on a top list of generational games. It’s pretty much the same as blockbuster movies, with very rare exception, they aren’t made in any attempt to draw critical acclaim, just to mindlessly entertain and put buts in seats(or controllers in hands).[/quote]
I suppose, that doesnt stop constantly regurgitated series’ like CoD from continually garnering 9+ point review scores though. [/quote]
That makes me wonder: is the movie industry as pervaded with ‘incentivized’ reviews as video games are?[/quote]
Im sure there is that in movies as well, but to me it doesnt seem to be as apparent as with videogames.
Maybe a bigger movie buff/film aficionado can shed some light. [/quote]
There’s definitely a lot of paying outwards for recognition amongst the lesser quality blockbuster films, there pretty much has to be for the current formula to continue to work. A bad director or consistently below average production studio may often garner some half-arsed thumbs up from press sources provided the source benefits from that also. That’s why we’ll continue to see redundant 4 and 5 stars with “Stunning” and “Exhilaratingly tense” plastered over the front of a Michael Bay movie poster. Anyone that follows along with a particular director or (although sometimes inconsistent with their choices) assortment of smart and capable actors will have a more firm idea as to the quality of a new film, but those lesser inclined will very easily fall into the marketing ploys through TV advertisements and generously edited trailers. I suppose it happens very regularly, there’s likely at the very least one with shill support every month if not at any given point on the cinema showings list.
Peter Hammond is one critic that springs to mind as often being payed out by studios to brandish praise on their shittier productions for the sake of money and “fame”. Also gives Maxim a chance to put their logo on every cinema this side of Croatia.
Some horrendous examples of Hammond’s from the past, along with some that aren’t too far off the mark relative to the better movies, but near equally superficial in the reviewing.
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
AC III is horrible…I’m not excited for AC IV at this point.
I liked the UI, the timeline, and the father-son premise, but the game really felt flat.[/quote]
I would say its far from horrible, its really a very good game if you’re judging it by itself, but in the context of the series and what came before it, its the weakest entry since the first one in my opinion.
ACII>ACB=ACR>ACIII>ACI IMO[/quote]
Yeah, come to think of it, Black Flag actually does have a lot of potential if they can meld the respective successes of III and Brotherhood/Revelations. Maybe I should order AC II…[/quote]
You never played ACII?
It would by in my top 10 games of this console generation, its that good.
[/quote]
I am interested in seeing the rest of this list, it’s pretty obvious you have some serious passion for video games man and some deep insight… You would be an awesome reviewer to work at say game spot or something!
[/quote]
Thanks, i suppose that should be taken as a compliment. Im very into games that create a memorable and resonant experience/atmosphere, so im sure the absence of games such as CoD would be an instant turn off for some lol.
Thats a list that would take more thinking than i have time for at the moment though, maybe ill try to come up with something a little later. [/quote]
I don’t think most ‘critic’ type people would even bat an eye at the lack of ‘blockbuster’ style games not being on a top list of generational games. It’s pretty much the same as blockbuster movies, with very rare exception, they aren’t made in any attempt to draw critical acclaim, just to mindlessly entertain and put buts in seats(or controllers in hands).[/quote]
I suppose, that doesnt stop constantly regurgitated series’ like CoD from continually garnering 9+ point review scores though. [/quote]
That makes me wonder: is the movie industry as pervaded with ‘incentivized’ reviews as video games are?[/quote]
Im sure there is that in movies as well, but to me it doesnt seem to be as apparent as with videogames.
Maybe a bigger movie buff/film aficionado can shed some light. [/quote]
There’s definitely a lot of paying outwards for recognition amongst the lesser quality blockbuster films, there pretty much has to be for the current formula to continue to work. A bad director or consistently below average production studio may often garner some half-arsed thumbs up from press sources provided the source benefits from that also. That’s why we’ll continue to see redundant 4 and 5 stars with “Stunning” and “Exhilaratingly tense” plastered over the front of a Michael Bay movie poster. Anyone that follows along with a particular director or (although sometimes inconsistent with their choices) assortment of smart and capable actors will have a more firm idea as to the quality of a new film, but those lesser inclined will very easily fall into the marketing ploys through TV advertisements and generously edited trailers. I suppose it happens very regularly, there’s likely at the very least one with shill support every month if not at any given point on the cinema showings list.
Peter Hammond is one critic that springs to mind as often being payed out by studios to brandish praise on their shittier productions for the sake of money and “fame”. Also gives Maxim a chance to put their logo on every cinema this side of Croatia.
Some horrendous examples of Hammond’s from the past, along with some that aren’t too far off the mark relative to the better movies, but near equally superficial in the reviewing.
[/quote]
It’s not that corrupt. Marketing departments seek out good reviews to be used on posters but they don’t bribe critics to write good reviews for bad movies. That doesn’t work on Joe public. If it did, we’d get way lower budget ‘blockbusters’ with a juggernaut publicity campaign.
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
AC III is horrible…I’m not excited for AC IV at this point.
I liked the UI, the timeline, and the father-son premise, but the game really felt flat.[/quote]
I would say its far from horrible, its really a very good game if you’re judging it by itself, but in the context of the series and what came before it, its the weakest entry since the first one in my opinion.
ACII>ACB=ACR>ACIII>ACI IMO[/quote]
Yeah, come to think of it, Black Flag actually does have a lot of potential if they can meld the respective successes of III and Brotherhood/Revelations. Maybe I should order AC II…[/quote]
You never played ACII?
It would by in my top 10 games of this console generation, its that good.
[/quote]
I am interested in seeing the rest of this list, it’s pretty obvious you have some serious passion for video games man and some deep insight… You would be an awesome reviewer to work at say game spot or something!
[/quote]
Thanks, i suppose that should be taken as a compliment. Im very into games that create a memorable and resonant experience/atmosphere, so im sure the absence of games such as CoD would be an instant turn off for some lol.
Thats a list that would take more thinking than i have time for at the moment though, maybe ill try to come up with something a little later. [/quote]
I don’t think most ‘critic’ type people would even bat an eye at the lack of ‘blockbuster’ style games not being on a top list of generational games. It’s pretty much the same as blockbuster movies, with very rare exception, they aren’t made in any attempt to draw critical acclaim, just to mindlessly entertain and put buts in seats(or controllers in hands).[/quote]
I suppose, that doesnt stop constantly regurgitated series’ like CoD from continually garnering 9+ point review scores though. [/quote]
That makes me wonder: is the movie industry as pervaded with ‘incentivized’ reviews as video games are?[/quote]
Im sure there is that in movies as well, but to me it doesnt seem to be as apparent as with videogames.
Maybe a bigger movie buff/film aficionado can shed some light. [/quote]
There’s definitely a lot of paying outwards for recognition amongst the lesser quality blockbuster films, there pretty much has to be for the current formula to continue to work. A bad director or consistently below average production studio may often garner some half-arsed thumbs up from press sources provided the source benefits from that also. That’s why we’ll continue to see redundant 4 and 5 stars with “Stunning” and “Exhilaratingly tense” plastered over the front of a Michael Bay movie poster. Anyone that follows along with a particular director or (although sometimes inconsistent with their choices) assortment of smart and capable actors will have a more firm idea as to the quality of a new film, but those lesser inclined will very easily fall into the marketing ploys through TV advertisements and generously edited trailers. I suppose it happens very regularly, there’s likely at the very least one with shill support every month if not at any given point on the cinema showings list.
Peter Hammond is one critic that springs to mind as often being payed out by studios to brandish praise on their shittier productions for the sake of money and “fame”. Also gives Maxim a chance to put their logo on every cinema this side of Croatia.
Some horrendous examples of Hammond’s from the past, along with some that aren’t too far off the mark relative to the better movies, but near equally superficial in the reviewing.
[/quote]
It’s not that corrupt. Marketing departments seek out good reviews to be used on posters but they don’t bribe critics to write good reviews for bad movies. That doesn’t work on Joe public. If it did, we’d get way lower budget ‘blockbusters’ with a juggernaut publicity campaign. [/quote]
You’re right, I suppose in hindsight I did make it sound like it was too far into the majority. Not to say that it doesn’t still happen (I’m not necessarily talking about there being straight cash bribes all of the time, but some mutually beneficial deals under certain circumstances). Perhaps as long as they find a reasonable handful of good ones they could make do, I wouldn’t imagine the average movie-goer to keep a track record of all the critics or press sources that they see on the posters at the cinema, hell I can’t imagine most would recognise a name past Ebert and maybe Travers.
Indeed review-oriented marketing is a light portion of the total output, but I suspect as long as technological advancements allowed for bigger and shinier effects, production budget for front-line showings would stay on a steady rise regardless simply to refresh what viewers begin to adapt to.
[quote]roybot wrote:
It’s not that corrupt. Marketing departments seek out good reviews to be used on posters but they don’t bribe critics to write good reviews for bad movies. That doesn’t work on Joe public. If it did, we’d get way lower budget ‘blockbusters’ with a juggernaut publicity campaign. [/quote]
I can’t speak to movies, but it’s pretty corrupt in the gaming industry. You have companies paying for reviewers to travel and stay at spas for a few days while reviewing games. Kind of hard to give a bad review when they are paying thousands of dollars for a spa trip and flight.
Reviewers have to sign a contract before reviewing games where their review can’t be published without the publisher’s permission. You’re also unable to talk about certain things in your review like bugs depending on the wording in the contract.
You have reviewers being bribed with consoles to advertise a game through twitter.
Reviewers receiving free bundles to review and keep.
There was that guy who got fired for giving a low score to Kane & Lynch 2. Really any website that gives negative reviews gets threatened with their site not getting ad money and early reviews for other games from that publisher, ensuring that only the most easily entertained and biggest fanboys become reviewers.
You have developers who get bonuses not based on sales but based on something arbitrary like Metacritic scores, because these “objective” critics magically decide what game is good and whether the developers should get bonuses. Not what the people who actually purchase these products think. It’s just a way for publishers to screw developers over in contract. The whole industry is a joke.