[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Bujo wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
I honestly believe that Fox have will have well and truly boxed themselves up story-wise if this tanks. There will be nowhere else to go. Officially they say it’s a reboot, but it has direct and indirect links back to the other X-movies? A full-on reboot would have been less confusing, but they keep trying to present an ensemble superhero movie which - for the wrong reasons - puts a handful of characters in the spotlight and sidelines the rest .
The execs at Fox treat audiences like idiots, even going as far as to lie when the unfinished cut of Wolverine was leaked (granted, some are, but even if they don’t get the concept of a fresh start they’ll still watch it… that’s why they’re idiots) know nothing about comics, and just have zero trust in the material (that’s why they screwed up Wolverine, and Deadpool by association).
I’ll reserve judgement until I’ve seen it: I like Matthew Vaughan, even though he was responsible for casting Vinnie Jones as Juggernaut (that was him, not Brett Ratner); Bryan Singer is a good director on the whole, but his reliance on love triangles to bring emotional depth and conflict in in X-Men and Superman Returns were unnecessary and transparent. If First Class gets an ‘f’, don’t expect a sequel to it or to Wolverine.
Hopefully the rights will revert back to Marvel then. [/quote]
What makes you think this movie will tank? It seems to have a lot of fan excitement surrounding it. The early preview and reviews have been very positive. The cast and crew selection is very strong. I think we have a winner on our hands here. I can’t wait to go see it when I get home.
I thought you were a comic book fan? You’re not seriously finding this movie plot confusing, are you? There were a lot of good ideas in the first films coupled with a lot of shitty ones and terrible execution. First Class looks like it’s taking the gems and tossing the shit. I’m hoping for a hit. 5th time’s a charm right?
Regardless of how First Class performs, does anyone really want another Wolverine movie?[/quote]
I didn’t say the movie would definitely tank; I meant that it could suffer from the same creative decision-making that gave us a poorly handled continuity, that’s why I wondered if it was a prequel or a reboot (I’ve since found out that it is a full-on prequel, when I originally heard it was to be a reboot). My fear was that even though Matthew Vaughan should be able to start with a clean slate, he couldn’t, not completely because of having to foreshadow the previous movies - which I totally understand as that is the whole point of a prequel.
It’s just that the chronology he has to follow is so damned patchy. How do I find it confusing? Beast, Emma Frost, Storm and Moira Mactaggart were all in previous movies and in ways that contradict their First Class counterparts. Who wouldn’t find that confusing?
You can excuse Beast and Storm because they were deleted scenes, but Frost and Mactaggart were featured characters in Wolverine and X-Men 3 respectively. It’s more than having a whinge over minor details. In other words, I was concerned that some of the shit would stick to the gems.
I’ve now seen the movie and it was great - good enough to forget about the clashes and contradictions for the moment. But these will still hang over all subsequent X-movies including Wolverine 2, which will definitely go ahead now because there’s obviously life left in the franchise, and the Deadpool solo movie, which is another sure thing after the positive buzz surrounding First class(that’s another two movies that’re going to have work overtime to rise above the critical stink left by Wolverine).
Had First Class bombed, that would have been it for Fox. First Class was last chance saloon for them after Last Stand and X-Men Oranges: Tangerine. I never came out and said that First Class would suck; in the thread for the first trailer I championed it for merging history and fiction, and for having the courage to use the classic costume design in lieu of leather flight suits.
I thought that Matthew Vaughan had his work cut out to make up for the shortcomings of the previous movies, some of which were inescapable but he succeeded with ease. I’m glad because he’s a good director. [/quote]
Beast was a character in X2(on tv) and very prominant in X3(Kesley Grammar) but yeah I thought that first class had a lot of flaws I didn’t enjoy it as much as X2(seeing WOlverine go Berserk and having Colossus and Nightcrawler) but it didn’t suck as bad as X3(where even the directors gave you multiple endings in the dvd as if to yeah we fucked up).
I think this Spoiler-free Review of X-Men: First Class! explains my position better, it’s real hard to give a review without spoilers but this person does a good job.
