[quote]Bujo wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]Bujo wrote:
If you can have alien turtles then why can’t you have an alien rat? And I fail to see why Shredder can’t be included either? [/quote]
B/c, as hokey as it sounds, Hamato Yoshi owned a regular pet rat that was transformed into a five- foot-tall ass-kicking ninja master mutant rodent after Shredder killed his sensei/ owner. If Bay gives us an alien,fully-formed Splinter, it follows that his origin will be revamped as well (why did alien Splinter save Yoshi at the start?). I see him dropping the ‘ninja’ aspect as well as a consequence of that.
One option would be to make them all aliens (including Shredder), and have them bring an ancient war to Earth (sound familiar?), in which case you can kiss the ninjas goodbye. Then again, Bay can always change them to space ninjas as well.[/quote]
Wait. Isn’t that the origin from the first movie? Even as a kid I thought that was unbelievably stupid. A rat becomes a ninja by practicing kata in his little rat cage. Seriously?!?! There has to be way more to being a ninja than knowing fucking karate. If they are going to push the ninja thing then we need some way cooler ninja shit. Like Arashikage ninja shit from the comics or the resolute cartoon, or maybe something similar to all the training seen in Ninja Assassin.
Nobody has said that the Turtles have to come from space as teenagers. They could come to Earth as eggs. Some rat could find them, but instead of eating the eggs he protects them for years. That would give plenty of time to build up the ninja shit, maybe some animosity for Shredder, and a means to mutate Splinter.
My biggest problem is that Bay is directing. Sure he’s great with explosions and special effects, but he sucks at the shit that makes an audience care about the characters.
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Splinter was Yoshi’s pet rat in the comics, as well. Crucially, dropping the mutant part from the turtle origin implies that Bay has nixed mutants altogether, otherwise why bother?
Bay is developing the concept as well as directing. Like he did with Transformers. Sucky director = sucky concept and vice versa. You can’t defend one and slate the other. As I said at the start, an ‘alien’ isn’t a turtle, no matter how much the E.T might resemble one, just as ninjas aren’t aliens. No matter how cheesy the original concept was, it worked and I’m sure Eastman and Laird were aware of how ludicrous it was, even at the time. That was part of the charm.
sorry I had some great news last week so I have been in one of those moods.