let’s not forget Ass vs. Tits
(tits & pancakes)
[quote]malonetd wrote:
jonatan-shg wrote:
Ruggerlife wrote:
BlackLabel wrote:
Im gonna get alotta shit for this but…
What’s the point of using gear? Why not just lift Raw and get more satisfaction from doing it yourself instead of the shirt or suit giving you those extra lbs. Ive just never seen the point.
Why do golfer’s use Big Bertha?
Why do Tennis players use new lighter/better rackets?
Why do hockey players use graphite sticks?
Why do [insert sport here] use [insert new equipment]?
And the similarity is what?
To play tennis you NEED a racket, to squat you need yourself, a barbell and plates, you don’t need a suit.
So no, it’s not the same thing.
Fine, what about sprinters and shoes? You don’t need shoes to sprint, yet there are special shoes just for sprinting.
Why use pads or helmets for football? They’re not necessary to play the game?
Why do baseball players wear gloves? You don’t need a glove to catch a ball. What’s the point?
Is it necessary for Olympic lifters to wear Olympic shoes? I don’t think so. I’ve weightlifted in my New Balance’s before.
I’ve armwrestled on my kitchen table for years; why do armwreslters need a special table?
Why use a chessboard for chess? Alexander Alekhine can play just fine without one.
Do skateboarders need pads and helmets? The kids down my block never use them?
I lifted weights for years before ever touching chalk. I guess that’s not necessary either.
If we looked hard enough, we could find several things not needed for any particular sport.[/quote]
As a raw lifter (raw nazi, wth??) these all look like poorly rationalized attempts at justification.
Personally, I think using gear is fine, although it becomes a crutch for many. Just had my first meet, and was disgusted by a HS powerlifting team and their coach. A 14 year old doesn’t need to get into gear to squat 135 high bar, breaking at the knees first. He needs to build a foundation. The coach didn’t teach the kids proper form at all. He just told them to get suits and shirts.
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Waffles!
Blasphemy!!
Blueberry pancakes. Eaten in Ace Briefs.[/quote]
I am partial to Ricky Dale Crain’s briefs myself.
Don’t use 'em any more now.
But when I decide to get back into PL’ing (been more into OL’ing recently), I’ll probably dig 'em out of the closet.
[quote]muscleshark wrote:
As a raw lifter (raw nazi, wth??) these all look like poorly rationalized attempts at justification.
Personally, I think using gear is fine, although it becomes a crutch for many. Just had my first meet, and was disgusted by a HS powerlifting team and their coach. A 14 year old doesn’t need to get into gear to squat 135 high bar, breaking at the knees first. He needs to build a foundation. The coach didn’t teach the kids proper form at all. He just told them to get suits and shirts.
And lastly, I feel like gear is just food for the ego, because if you tell your non-lifter friend that you benched 600 or whatever, they probably have no concept that a special shirt added 200 pounds to your lift. [/quote]
Raw Nazi refers to those lifters who think that they have a moral monopoly on powerlifting and that anyone who chooses to lift in a way that they do not see fit is “cheating” or “ruining the credibility of the sport”.
The people who gear becomes a crutch for are the ones who aren’t winning. The gear doesn’t make them weak, shitty training does.
How is gear food for the ego? I don’t talk about my lifts with people for the most part since most people don’t understand the gear thing to begin with. I very rarely see anyone trying to pass equipped lifts off as raw. I don’t lift so that I can brag to my friends about how much I lift, I lift because I like to compete and I want to win.
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Waffles!
Blasphemy!!
Blueberry pancakes. Eaten in Ace Briefs.[/quote]
Now THAT’S hawt!
I tried editing that part about the ego out, now twice. I reconsidered that statement.
So you agree about getting a foundation before suiting up, unlike the HS kids?
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
Hmm…There’s always…
The “liking muscular women does/does not make you gay” debate
The “Chris Shugart/Chad Waterbury/[insert contributor’s name here] is an Idiot” topic
The “Bulk vs Cut” debate
The “Can I stroke it before I max/ Will stroking it lower my test levels and ruin my hopes of becoming a Pro BB?” topic
The “He can’t be natural” debate
Have ALL of those really been beaten into the ground already?[/quote]
Aw shit. I should have used the search button before posting. I jumped the gun.
red monk: strongmen use suits, briefs, wraps, chalk, and tacky and anything else they think will give them an advantage…they also hitch their DL like a mofo!
The arguments about the general public not understanding gear is moot. 99% of the general public don’t know the difference between PL and OL.
I competed in single ply poly for years. I also tried double ply poly once or twice. I agree it is a different sport and people need to “qualify” their lifts before they have any merit. The problem comes when people try to compare lifts with one another.
When asked how much I can squat, I can rattle off a list of numbers in various gear combinations for both the gym and in comp. If the person isn’t a PL or “in the know” then I just give them my best raw squat and then they walk away snickering because they are comparing my below parallel squat to their football squat (1/4 squat) numbers.
I certainly am not against gear, but PL has become quite watered down with all the different divisons. I am not sure if I will ever compete in PL again and if I do, it will probably be raw (due to a bad leg injury, don’t want the extra lbs that gear allows.) If I do compete with gear again, it will probably be bench only.
best raw squat (just belt) 405 @ 220, best single ply poly/2M wraps squat in a meet 518, in the gym 540 walked out. Best single ply poly/2M wraps out of monolift = 600. Best double ply/2.5M wraps out of monolift=600 (both monolift #'s are gym lifts)
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Modi wrote:
PL gear is like steroids.
Fact of the matter is, PL gear doesn’t lift the weights for you any more than performance enhancing drugs do. They are just taking it to the next level. Walking a grand out in a suit doesn’t make it any easier. It’s still 1000lbs on your shoulders, and I’m sure it hurts like hell in the hole.
With roidz you?re body is still doing 100% of the mechanical work. In gear, your body does not do 100% of the mechanical work. A portion of potential mgh gets roughly stored as spring 1/2KX^2 in the hole and converted back to mgh at lockout. Not disrespecting geared guys, but the gear does do a portion of the mechanical work involved.
I also disagree that it is ?taking it to the next level?. I feel they are 2 different sports. I resent people thinking of raw as a lower level of powerlifting as much as gear guys resent people thinking gear is cheating.
You wouldn?t say a clean and jerk is a ?next level? snatch because more pounds are involved.
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On the rare occasion that I stay on topic, I sometimes play devil’s advocate, just to get people thinking about what’s really at hand…
No one is debating whether gear (either type) allows you to lift more weight. Even PL’ers are smart enough that they wouldn’t spend the time/money/discomfort on something that didn’t help them lift more. So yes, PL gear gives you an advantage at the bottom of the lift, and yes there is carryover at the top, but your loads are much heavier than when lifting raw, so it’s still a max effort. It’s not like you just put the suit on cruise control and let it lift the weight for you.
You can disagree all you want on the next level thing. Remember that I’m a raw lifter myself, have never used a shirt or suit, and have no intention of doing so, but still want to lift the most weight possible. I don’t think it’s a lower level, I think it’s a different sport. I just don’t want to spend the money on the gear, the time it takes to get into the equipment itself, or the discomfort associated with it. I lift on my own, so it would be unpractical, and don’t want the risk involved when I get out of the groove and dump 600lbs on my throat.
Just like I don’t want to spend the money on drugs, deal with the risks involved, or even spend the time educating myself about those risks. But plenty of people are willing to do whatever it takes to move as much iron as possible. It might not have been the perfect example, but you have to realize as I was typing the statement
PL gear is like Steroids
Giving it it’s own line, that I knew it would draw a reaction from someone.
I don’t know the first thing about OLifting other than it seems faster and more exciting, and it seems to follow some semblance of standardized rules that PLing can’t seem to agree on. Aside from knowing that there is a C&J and a Snatch, I’m pretty much tapped out on that subject.
[quote]UHCougar05 wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Waffles!
Blasphemy!!
Blueberry pancakes. Eaten in Ace Briefs.
Now THAT’S hawt!
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For some reason. That made me think of this picture.
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
Hmm…There’s always…
The “liking muscular women does/does not make you gay” debate
The “Chris Shugart/Chad Waterbury/[insert contributor’s name here] is an Idiot” topic
The “Bulk vs Cut” debate
The “Can I stroke it before I max/ Will stroking it lower my test levels and ruin my hopes of becoming a Pro BB?” topic
The “He can’t be natural” debate
Have ALL of those really been beaten into the ground already?[/quote]
I’ll end those debates right now: Chad Waterbury is NOT gay because he is natural and can still stroke it to muscular women to raise his T levels prior to a max lift while on a cutting diet.
Guys is there an established limit on the amount of weight your shoulders and elbows can handle say on the Bench or is it just when you think you need the bench shirt? I am not trying to be a smart ass I just have no knowledge or expierience with any of this. I mean I know it will be different for different people but is there like a line no one goes over with out the gear? I am not strong and I am sure no matter how much gear you put on me I still would be a weak ass. Well, just an honest question thanks if you can answer it.
[quote]Tags wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
Hmm…There’s always…
The “liking muscular women does/does not make you gay” debate
The “Chris Sughart/Chad Waterbury/[insert contributor’s name here] is an Idiot” topic
The “Bulk vs Cut” debate
The “Can I stroke it before I max/ Will stroking it lower my test levels and ruin my hopes of becoming a Pro BB?” topic
The “He can’t be natural” debate
Have ALL of those really been beaten into the ground already?
I’ll end those debates right now: Chad Waterbury is NOT gay because he is natural and can still stroke it to muscular women to raise his T levels prior to a max lift while on a cutting diet.
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I would definitely refrain from getting off a week or two out from my competition. In wrestling I would quit fucking and or jerking it and my aggression and power sky rocketed. That is just my expierience though and it was wrestling not weight lifting. I think the whole g/f says before the comp if you do good she will fuck your brains out after 2 weeks of no sex helps you want to win very badly also lol
[quote]Tags wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
Hmm…There’s always…
The “liking muscular women does/does not make you gay” debate
The “Chris Shugart/Chad Waterbury/[insert contributor’s name here] is an Idiot” topic
The “Bulk vs Cut” debate
The “Can I stroke it before I max/ Will stroking it lower my test levels and ruin my hopes of becoming a Pro BB?” topic
The “He can’t be natural” debate
Have ALL of those really been beaten into the ground already?
I’ll end those debates right now: Chad Waterbury is NOT gay because he is natural and can still stroke it to muscular women to raise his T levels prior to a max lift while on a cutting diet.
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Awesome! Now, do you know where I can buy pants to fit my gigantic, muscular legs?? Nothing fits 
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
My whole point when I posted this was to have a place to discuss/whine/bitch/question gear use, rather than cluttering up other legitimate threads that have been created to actually discuss powerlifting.[/quote]
Again, this is a public forum and no matter how much you want it to stop, it never will, its just the nature of the beast. If it bothers you that much you should consider a dedicated PL forum.
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
Awesome! Now, do you know where I can buy pants to fit my gigantic, muscular legs?? Nothing fits
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You’re welcome.
[quote]dfreezy wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
My whole point when I posted this was to have a place to discuss/whine/bitch/question gear use, rather than cluttering up other legitimate threads that have been created to actually discuss powerlifting.
Again, this is a public forum and no matter how much you want it to stop, it never will, its just the nature of the beast. If it bothers you that much you should consider a dedicated PL forum.[/quote]
Yeah, cause Powerlifting Watch and related PL forums NEVER have any off topic gear debates. And topics never evolve into Tim “the people’s chump” Bruner bashing everything, or Anonymouses talking shit about things they don’t know about.
They’re ALL public forums and they ALL go off topic. Why do you have such a problem with me making a thread discussing the topic that inevitably comes up in every PL thread on here??
I’m not a fan of gear. At least, I don’t think I am. Recently, I ran into a dude in the gym (LA Fitness) who threw on a pair of squat briefs. Loose ones. He was able to squat ~50 more pounds wearing them then without, and hit a fantastic PR with me standing right there. I could feel him straining from walking out the heavy weight, and locking it out.
All I could think was “Damn… if I had those, I’d hit 500 easily. That’d be awesome!”
I can see the appeal.
[quote]goochadamg wrote:
I’m not a fan of gear. At least, I don’t think I am. Recently, I ran into a dude in the gym (LA Fitness) who threw on a pair of squat briefs. Loose ones. He was able to squat ~50 more pounds wearing them then without, and hit a fantastic PR with me standing right there. I could feel him straining from walking out the heavy weight, and locking it out.
All I could think was “Damn… if I had those, I’d hit 500 easily. That’d be awesome!”
I can see the appeal.
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Why dont you go buy yourself a pair of ace briefs, a size too large, put them on, and see if you get a PR. My bet is on you getting thrown all over the place because you don’t know what the hell you are doing.
If you had those, and knew how to use them, and trained in them, then yeah…you might be able to hit 500…but easily is a different story.
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
They’re ALL public forums and they ALL go off topic. Why do you have such a problem with me making a thread discussing the topic that inevitably comes up in every PL thread on here??
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I don’t have a problem with you or anyone on any forum for that matter. But its obvious that other peoples comments get under your skin since I’ve seen your irate replies in numerous other threads with the near identical response you prefaced this thread with. Life is too short to get upset over things you have little to no control over.
Just as people suggest ‘if you don’t like it, don’t compete in it’ you just have to accept there will always be differing opinions (read: haters), so just let them be.