[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
You seem to have an aversion to anything Christian, maybe you are threatened by it…[/quote]
Why do you fundamentalist Christians continually take my criticism of religion personally, as if I don’t equally criticize the fairy tales of every other religion? Believe it or not, it’s not all about you.
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
You seem to have an aversion to anything Christian, maybe you are threatened by it…
Why do you fundamentalist Christians continually take my criticism of religion personally, as if I don’t equally criticize the fairy tales of every other religion? Believe it or not, it’s not all about you.[/quote]
I wasn’t. I was making a sarcastic joke using your own logic to show it’s flaws.
You have a huge aversion to religion. You criticize it constantly. However, apparently by your words, if someone criticizes homosexuality or the “gay agenda” they are threatened by it.
Either you are threatened by religion or people can criticize homosexuality without being threatened by it.
[quote]forlife wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
For my own part, I find that most straight men “feel some level of aversion towards homosexuality.”
That may be true of the straight men you choose to associate with, but in places like Europe, and increasingly here in the good old U.S., the majority of straight men are fine with homosexuality and don’t feel threatened by it.[/quote]
A good friend of mine is homosexual. In no way has it ever been “weird” or “strange” relating to him, he is a regular guy.
I now work for a travel agency where there are a number of gay men, in no way have I ever felt uncomfortable associating with any coworker.
I remember growing up how popular it was to say things like, “oh man that’s so gay,” and “dude, you’re a homo!” Using these terms in derogetory context. I often wonder if that’s where this ingrained hatred against homosexual people comes from. If two guys are together, “ewww,” but if its two girls, oh and they must be hot, then, “hell yea!!!” Come on, seriously?
Personally, who am I to decide whether or not two people in love can get married? Everyone is always so bent on dictating to people what they should and shouldn’t do. Two consenting adults should have the personal freedoms the rest of us enjoy.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
You have a huge aversion to religion. You criticize it constantly. However, apparently by your words, if someone criticizes homosexuality or the “gay agenda” they are threatened by it.
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I specifically said, several times, that there is a greater likelihood for homophobes to be gay themselves, but that it doesn’t apply to all homophobes.
I also said that homophobia represents an aversion to homosexuality, not necessarily a fear of it or feeling threatened by it.
[quote]druryk wrote:
forlife wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
For my own part, I find that most straight men “feel some level of aversion towards homosexuality.”
That may be true of the straight men you choose to associate with, but in places like Europe, and increasingly here in the good old U.S., the majority of straight men are fine with homosexuality and don’t feel threatened by it.
A good friend of mine is homosexual. In no way has it ever been “weird” or “strange” relating to him, he is a regular guy.
I now work for a travel agency where there are a number of gay men, in no way have I ever felt uncomfortable associating with any coworker.
I remember growing up how popular it was to say things like, “oh man that’s so gay,” and “dude, you’re a homo!” Using these terms in derogetory context. I often wonder if that’s where this ingrained hatred against homosexual people comes from. If two guys are together, “ewww,” but if its two girls, oh and they must be hot, then, “hell yea!!!” Come on, seriously?
Personally, who am I to decide whether or not two people in love can get married? Everyone is always so bent on dictating to people what they should and shouldn’t do. Two consenting adults should have the personal freedoms the rest of us enjoy.
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If you can’t tell, forlife isn’t really arguing for homosexual marriage as much as insulting christianity. If you don’t like the message, attack the messenger.
I myself am a Christian entirely opposed to state involvement in the definition or implementation of marriage.
I however won’t go or donate to a church that marries homosexuals.
Just because I don’t condone an action doesn’t mean I think I have the right to tell someone what they can or can’t do.
As for the perversion of the word gay, that happened when it first started meaning homosexual, instead of happy.
[quote]druryk wrote:
A good friend of mine is homosexual. In no way has it ever been “weird” or “strange” relating to him, he is a regular guy.
I now work for a travel agency where there are a number of gay men, in no way have I ever felt uncomfortable associating with any coworker.
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I’m convinced that the best antidote to homophobia is personal interaction with people that are gay. When you have a gay brother, a gay friend, or a gay coworker you are more likely to see them as the human being they are rather than operating by misinformed stereotypes.
Fortunately, more people are coming out these days, and as a result the ignorance and prejudice against gays is on the decline.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
If you can’t tell, forlife isn’t really arguing for homosexual marriage as much as insulting christianity. If you don’t like the message, attack the messenger.
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I have no beef with Christians or any other religious group, as long as they don’t advocate denying me equal civil rights. Believe in whatever you want, but keep your beliefs in your church rather than the courthouse.
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
You have a huge aversion to religion. You criticize it constantly. However, apparently by your words, if someone criticizes homosexuality or the “gay agenda” they are threatened by it.
-1 Reading Comprehension
I specifically said, several times, that there is a greater likelihood for homophobes to be gay themselves, but that it doesn’t apply to all homophobes.
I also said that homophobia represents an aversion to homosexuality, not necessarily a fear of it or feeling threatened by it.[/quote]
So you are stereotyping based on statistical probability.
Aren’t gays statistically more promiscuous? So should I take that into account the with my next homosexual friend? I should start with the assumption they sleep with everyone they can?
Or should I stop trying to use statistics to justify prejudice?
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
If you can’t tell, forlife isn’t really arguing for homosexual marriage as much as insulting christianity. If you don’t like the message, attack the messenger.
I have no beef with Christians or any other religious group, as long as they don’t advocate denying me equal civil rights. Believe in whatever you want, but keep your beliefs in your church rather than the courthouse.[/quote]
And I have no problem with you believing that (it is almost exactly what I previously wrote), but you take it a lot farther to trying to disprove Christianity which is not necessary to make that point. When you start trying to disprove and insult religion you violate the live and let live philosophy yourself.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So you are stereotyping based on statistical probability.
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I’m pointing out the statistical probability itself, and am specifically NOT stereotyping since, as I have said over and over again, it is not true of everyone.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
And I have no problem with you believing that (it is almost exactly what I previously wrote), but you take it a lot farther to trying to disprove Christianity which is not necessary to make that point. When you start trying to disprove and insult religion you violate the live and let live philosophy yourself.[/quote]
I only address fairy tales to the extent they provide a rationalization for fundamentalists to take away my rights. If they didn’t try to deny me equal civil rights, I couldn’t care less what they choose to believe.
Unfortunately they do, so I feel justified in calling out their fairy tales for what they are.
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
And I have no problem with you believing that (it is almost exactly what I previously wrote), but you take it a lot farther to trying to disprove Christianity which is not necessary to make that point. When you start trying to disprove and insult religion you violate the live and let live philosophy yourself.
I only address fairy tales to the extent they provide a rationalization for fundamentalists to take away my rights. If they didn’t try to deny me equal civil rights, I couldn’t care less what they choose to believe.
Unfortunately they do, so I feel justified in calling out their fairy tales for what they are.[/quote]
So, your first post in this thread, what civil rights were those passages being used to take away from you. Yeah, that was a real logical argument and not some immature attempt to make fun of people who believe something different than you.
You are no better than people posting all the gay jokes and no better than the ones that stereotype gay behavior.
This, I can say bad things about x group of people as long as I admit some of them aren’t that way is stupid. Can I make fun of homosexuals as long as I have a gay friend I’m okay with?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
druryk wrote:
forlife wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
For my own part, I find that most straight men “feel some level of aversion towards homosexuality.”
That may be true of the straight men you choose to associate with, but in places like Europe, and increasingly here in the good old U.S., the majority of straight men are fine with homosexuality and don’t feel threatened by it.
A good friend of mine is homosexual. In no way has it ever been “weird” or “strange” relating to him, he is a regular guy.
I now work for a travel agency where there are a number of gay men, in no way have I ever felt uncomfortable associating with any coworker.
I remember growing up how popular it was to say things like, “oh man that’s so gay,” and “dude, you’re a homo!” Using these terms in derogetory context. I often wonder if that’s where this ingrained hatred against homosexual people comes from.
If two guys are together, “ewww,” but if its two girls, oh and they must be hot, then, “hell yea!!!” Come on, seriously?
Personally, who am I to decide whether or not two people in love can get married? Everyone is always so bent on dictating to people what they should and shouldn’t do. Two consenting adults should have the personal freedoms the rest of us enjoy.
If you can’t tell, forlife isn’t really arguing for homosexual marriage as much as insulting christianity. If you don’t like the message, attack the messenger.
I myself am a Christian entirely opposed to state involvement in the definition or implementation of marriage.
I however won’t go or donate to a church that marries homosexuals.
Just because I don’t condone an action doesn’t mean I think I have the right to tell someone what they can or can’t do.
As for the perversion of the word gay, that happened when it first started meaning homosexual, instead of happy.[/quote]
You most definitely have the right not to condone any behavior that you deem unacceptable. I guess I am just confused at what the difference is if the issue is gay marriage. By being opposed to state involvement allowing gays to wed each other isn’t that the same as everyone collectively imposing what they think is right and proper on a specific branch of the populus?
Would you be in support of civil unions with the same rights as married couples so long as the term marriage never enters the frame? I am truly curious though so please don’t take this like I am attacking you.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
So, your first post in this thread, what civil rights were those passages being used to take away from you. Yeah, that was a real logical argument and not some immature attempt to make fun of people who believe something different than you.[/quote]
My first post illustrated the hypocrisy of cherry picking biblical passages about gays, while ignoring numerous other passages that are no longer considered culturally relevant, despite being divinely sanctioned at the time.
Plus, it was funny.
[quote]druryk wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
druryk wrote:
forlife wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
For my own part, I find that most straight men “feel some level of aversion towards homosexuality.”
That may be true of the straight men you choose to associate with, but in places like Europe, and increasingly here in the good old U.S., the majority of straight men are fine with homosexuality and don’t feel threatened by it.
A good friend of mine is homosexual. In no way has it ever been “weird” or “strange” relating to him, he is a regular guy.
I now work for a travel agency where there are a number of gay men, in no way have I ever felt uncomfortable associating with any coworker.
I remember growing up how popular it was to say things like, “oh man that’s so gay,” and “dude, you’re a homo!” Using these terms in derogetory context. I often wonder if that’s where this ingrained hatred against homosexual people comes from. If two guys are together, “ewww,” but if its two girls, oh and they must be hot, then, “hell yea!!!” Come on, seriously?
Personally, who am I to decide whether or not two people in love can get married? Everyone is always so bent on dictating to people what they should and shouldn’t do. Two consenting adults should have the personal freedoms the rest of us enjoy.
If you can’t tell, forlife isn’t really arguing for homosexual marriage as much as insulting christianity. If you don’t like the message, attack the messenger.
I myself am a Christian entirely opposed to state involvement in the definition or implementation of marriage.
I however won’t go or donate to a church that marries homosexuals.
Just because I don’t condone an action doesn’t mean I think I have the right to tell someone what they can or can’t do.
As for the perversion of the word gay, that happened when it first started meaning homosexual, instead of happy.
You most definitely have the right not to condone any behavior that you deem unacceptable. I guess I am just confused at what the difference is if the issue is gay marriage.
By being opposed to state involvement allowing gays to wed each other isn’t that the same as everyone collectively imposing what they think is right and proper on a specific branch of the populus? Would you be in support of civil unions with the same rights as married couples so long as the term marriage never enters the frame? I am truly curious though so please don’t take this like I am attacking you. [/quote]
I’m for the state only doing civil unions straight or otherwise. Marriage is a religious ceremony and commitment.
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
So, your first post in this thread, what civil rights were those passages being used to take away from you. Yeah, that was a real logical argument and not some immature attempt to make fun of people who believe something different than you.
My first post illustrated the hypocrisy of cherry picking biblical passages about gays, while ignoring numerous other passages that are no longer considered culturally relevant, despite being divinely sanctioned at the time.
Plus, it was funny.
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It was pretty funny, but that isn’t the point.
You don’t think the Bible in entirety says homosexuality (and polygamy) is wrong?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
You don’t think the Bible in entirety says homosexuality (and polygamy) is wrong?[/quote]
The bible clearly doesn’t say polygamy is wrong and in fact endorses it. The jury is still out on whether the bible says homosexuality is wrong. Personally, I think it does condemn homosexuality, but some Christians believe that Paul was only talking about the prostitution that was popular at the time, not about sex outside a committed, monogamous same sex relationship.
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
And I have no problem with you believing that (it is almost exactly what I previously wrote), but you take it a lot farther to trying to disprove Christianity which is not necessary to make that point.
When you start trying to disprove and insult religion you violate the live and let live philosophy yourself.
I only address fairy tales to the extent they provide a rationalization for fundamentalists to take away my rights. If they didn’t try to deny me equal civil rights, I couldn’t care less what they choose to believe.
Unfortunately they do, so I feel justified in calling out their fairy tales for what they are.[/quote]
Hmmm, I always thought a “fairy tale” was the ass of a gay man… weird.
[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
If you can’t tell, forlife isn’t really arguing for homosexual marriage as much as insulting christianity. If you don’t like the message, attack the messenger.
I have no beef with Christians or any other religious group, as long as they don’t advocate denying me equal civil rights. Believe in whatever you want, but keep your beliefs in your church rather than the courthouse.[/quote]
You have the same rights as everybody else, hence there is no discrepancy and further hence, you got nothing to bitch about. There are places you folks can go get married so why don’t you go there and get fucking married and shut the fuck up.
You are wanting equal rights, you want special rights. Who you love and where you stick your dick entitles you to NOTHING.
Which makes me the expert on fairy tales, so shut up and listen.