Gay Marriage Discussion

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]sufiandy wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:
I do believe that I could choose to be gay tomorrow.
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For the sake of experiment, how far would you be willing to take this?[/quote]

LOL…nowhere, because my morality is more important to me than an experiment.[/quote]

There are several options without compromising your morality. Next time a woman is rubbing up against you before the deed just feel unattractive to her and have trouble maintaining an erection the entire time. Then throughout the day find yourself getting hard randomly dreaming about sexual fantasies with men. As long as you realize they are impure thoughts and don’t act on them you should be morally okay. You’ll also need to question your morals several times during this and seriously consider giving them up (at least in this area), if you don’t do that a few times your not choosing to be gay enough.

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[quote]hmm87 wrote:
where in your religion is being gay immoral?

My morality is subjective. I choose not to do things to others as i would not like done to myself.[/quote]

I assume that NorCal916 is a Christian. One man having sex with another is a sin in Christianity. Following the Golden Rule is certainly a good practice, but I’m not sure how much it has to do with this topic…I doubt that it’s the sole source of your morality, and if it is, that sort of lends credence to SexMachine’s talk about homosexuality and pedophilia(nothing wrong with having sex with a child if you would have no problem with a child having sex with you, right?).

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LMAO at people who think being gay is a choice. OR that it’s “immoral” somehow. Wow.

Scripture is pretty clear about eating shrimp too. And about stoning people.

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[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
I’m a Christian. I think scripture is pretty clear on this one.

I disagree with the Humanist approach on basically everything. [/quote]

Is there scripture on pedophilia?
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None of harming/abusing children? I guess you are ignorant of scripture.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
LMAO at people who think being gay is a choice. OR that it’s “immoral” somehow. Wow.

Scripture is pretty clear about eating shrimp too. And about stoning people.[/quote]

It is. History and context are needed when understanding scripture.

You can’t read it like a Tom Clancy novel.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:
where in your religion is being gay immoral?

My morality is subjective. I choose not to do things to others as i would not like done to myself.[/quote]

I assume that NorCal916 is a Christian. One man having sex with another is a sin in Christianity. Following the Golden Rule is certainly a good practice, but I’m not sure how much it has to do with this topic…I doubt that it’s the sole source of your morality, and if it is, that sort of lends credence to SexMachine’s talk about homosexuality and pedophilia(nothing wrong with having sex with a child if you would have no problem with a child having sex with you, right?).[/quote]

It came from marriage being defined by morals. Then where do morals come from. Mine is my religion. I know others have there sources. I was just wondering where they come from. Just curious, not elevating mine.

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[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:
where in your religion is being gay immoral?

My morality is subjective. I choose not to do things to others as i would not like done to myself.[/quote]

I assume that NorCal916 is a Christian. One man having sex with another is a sin in Christianity. Following the Golden Rule is certainly a good practice, but I’m not sure how much it has to do with this topic…I doubt that it’s the sole source of your morality, and if it is, that sort of lends credence to SexMachine’s talk about homosexuality and pedophilia(nothing wrong with having sex with a child if you would have no problem with a child having sex with you, right?).[/quote]

It came from marriage being defined by morals. Then where do morals come from. Mine is my religion. I know others have there sources. I was just wondering where they come from. Just curious, not elevating mine.
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Did you read my post as if I was disagreeing with you?

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:
where in your religion is being gay immoral?

My morality is subjective. I choose not to do things to others as i would not like done to myself.[/quote]

I assume that NorCal916 is a Christian. One man having sex with another is a sin in Christianity. Following the Golden Rule is certainly a good practice, but I’m not sure how much it has to do with this topic…I doubt that it’s the sole source of your morality, and if it is, that sort of lends credence to SexMachine’s talk about homosexuality and pedophilia(nothing wrong with having sex with a child if you would have no problem with a child having sex with you, right?).[/quote]

I in no away agree with pedophilia but can you please point me to the part in the bible where it states the age one becomes an adult.

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[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
I’m a Christian. I think scripture is pretty clear on this one.

I disagree with the Humanist approach on basically everything. [/quote]

Is there scripture on pedophilia?
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None of harming/abusing children? I guess you are ignorant of scripture.
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yes that’s why i was asking.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:
where in your religion is being gay immoral?

My morality is subjective. I choose not to do things to others as i would not like done to myself.[/quote]

I assume that NorCal916 is a Christian. One man having sex with another is a sin in Christianity. Following the Golden Rule is certainly a good practice, but I’m not sure how much it has to do with this topic…I doubt that it’s the sole source of your morality, and if it is, that sort of lends credence to SexMachine’s talk about homosexuality and pedophilia(nothing wrong with having sex with a child if you would have no problem with a child having sex with you, right?).[/quote]

It came from marriage being defined by morals. Then where do morals come from. Mine is my religion. I know others have there sources. I was just wondering where they come from. Just curious, not elevating mine.
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Did you read my post as if I was disagreeing with you? [/quote]

Sorry got it backwards.

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[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:
where in your religion is being gay immoral?

My morality is subjective. I choose not to do things to others as i would not like done to myself.[/quote]

I assume that NorCal916 is a Christian. One man having sex with another is a sin in Christianity. Following the Golden Rule is certainly a good practice, but I’m not sure how much it has to do with this topic…I doubt that it’s the sole source of your morality, and if it is, that sort of lends credence to SexMachine’s talk about homosexuality and pedophilia(nothing wrong with having sex with a child if you would have no problem with a child having sex with you, right?).[/quote]

I in no away agree with pedophilia but can you please point me to the part in the bible where it states the age one becomes an adult.
[/quote]

Society and times were much different over 2000 years ago. That applies to both the religious and non-religious. It would not have mad since to give out an arbitrary number, hence that’s why none was given. If you read the verses, and understand the Bible, your sense of right and wrong will be clearly defined.

I could give you plenty of verses, but you would be dismissive. Start with Gen 1:1 and begin there.

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[quote]hmm87 wrote:
I in no away agree with pedophilia but can you please point me to the part in the bible where it states the age one becomes an adult.
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No, but I’m fairly certain it’s much younger than 18. Personally, I don’t consider someone a pedophile unless he’s having sex with prebuscent children. Like I said, there are usually multiple sources of one’s morality, society and family/upbringing usually playing a large part.

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[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:
where in your religion is being gay immoral?

My morality is subjective. I choose not to do things to others as i would not like done to myself.[/quote]

I assume that NorCal916 is a Christian. One man having sex with another is a sin in Christianity. Following the Golden Rule is certainly a good practice, but I’m not sure how much it has to do with this topic…I doubt that it’s the sole source of your morality, and if it is, that sort of lends credence to SexMachine’s talk about homosexuality and pedophilia(nothing wrong with having sex with a child if you would have no problem with a child having sex with you, right?).[/quote]

I in no away agree with pedophilia but can you please point me to the part in the bible where it states the age one becomes an adult.
[/quote]

Society and times were much different over 2000 years ago. That applies to both the religious and non-religious. It would not have mad since to give out an arbitrary number, hence that’s why none was given. If you read the verses, and understand the Bible, your sense of right and wrong will be clearly defined.

I could give you plenty of verses, but you would be dismissive. Start with Gen 1:1 and begin there.
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we could save time if you would just provide the verses

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[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
LMAO at people who think being gay is a choice. OR that it’s “immoral” somehow. Wow.

Scripture is pretty clear about eating shrimp too. And about stoning people.[/quote]

It is. History and context are needed when understanding scripture.

You can’t read it like a Tom Clancy novel.
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Why would you trust the morality of a book written ~1800 years ago? People back then thought crucifixion was a perfectly good way to execute someone, that raping a woman was fine, so long as you married her and stoning was DEFINITELY the way to go if you suspect someone of cheating (to be more specific, if a WOMAN cheated on her HUSBAND)… It seems as if their “moral” compass was just a wee bit askew.

To complicate matters, the book was translated several times and RE WRITTEN by King James (that’s why they call it “the king james version”) so that he could control the population better and conform to the particular beliefs of the Church of England. Why on earth would you TRUST such an altered and bastardized manuscript?

Have you ever played the game “telephone”? That’s where you whisper a phrase into the ear of the person next to you and it goes around the room and the last person speaks what they heard. It’s NEVER the same as the original phrase. And that’s just a game. There is no motive of population control, or other agenda at work to manipulate the message.

Do you HONESTLY think that the word’s of Jesus were written down EXACTLY how he spoke them? Do you think that they were translated perfectly? Do you think that NO KING would DARE to alter those words for their advantage? Do you think that NO CHURCH would DARE to alter those words for THEIR advantage?

Are you really naive enough to believe that the “nice little English translation” of the various teachings of Jesus and his disciples contained in the bible are actually ACCURATE? That’s impossible…

And if you are intellectually honest enough to concede that there exists the possibility that “the good book” was “adjusted” (for your own good, of course), then how can you POSSIBLY base your MORALITY, the compass that guides you through the world and is the basis for every important decision that you make, on such a crap shoot?

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[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:
where in your religion is being gay immoral?

My morality is subjective. I choose not to do things to others as i would not like done to myself.[/quote]

I assume that NorCal916 is a Christian. One man having sex with another is a sin in Christianity. Following the Golden Rule is certainly a good practice, but I’m not sure how much it has to do with this topic…I doubt that it’s the sole source of your morality, and if it is, that sort of lends credence to SexMachine’s talk about homosexuality and pedophilia(nothing wrong with having sex with a child if you would have no problem with a child having sex with you, right?).[/quote]

I in no away agree with pedophilia but can you please point me to the part in the bible where it states the age one becomes an adult.
[/quote]

Society and times were much different over 2000 years ago. That applies to both the religious and non-religious. It would not have mad since to give out an arbitrary number, hence that’s why none was given. If you read the verses, and understand the Bible, your sense of right and wrong will be clearly defined.

I could give you plenty of verses, but you would be dismissive. Start with Gen 1:1 and begin there.
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we could save time if you would just provide the verses[/quote]

Matthew 18:6-But if you cause one of these little ones who trusts in me to fall into sin, it would be better for you to have a large millstone tied around your neck and be drowned in the depths of the sea-is probably the best. Sex outside of marriage is a sin; causing a child to sin(have sex outside of marriage) is not a good thing.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:
where in your religion is being gay immoral?

My morality is subjective. I choose not to do things to others as i would not like done to myself.[/quote]

I assume that NorCal916 is a Christian. One man having sex with another is a sin in Christianity. Following the Golden Rule is certainly a good practice, but I’m not sure how much it has to do with this topic…I doubt that it’s the sole source of your morality, and if it is, that sort of lends credence to SexMachine’s talk about homosexuality and pedophilia(nothing wrong with having sex with a child if you would have no problem with a child having sex with you, right?).[/quote]

I in no away agree with pedophilia but can you please point me to the part in the bible where it states the age one becomes an adult.
[/quote]

Society and times were much different over 2000 years ago. That applies to both the religious and non-religious. It would not have mad since to give out an arbitrary number, hence that’s why none was given. If you read the verses, and understand the Bible, your sense of right and wrong will be clearly defined.

I could give you plenty of verses, but you would be dismissive. Start with Gen 1:1 and begin there.
[/quote]

we could save time if you would just provide the verses[/quote]

Matthew 18:6-But if you cause one of these little ones who trusts in me to fall into sin, it would be better for you to have a large millstone tied around your neck and be drowned in the depths of the sea-is probably the best. Sex outside of marriage is a sin; causing a child to sin(have sex outside of marriage) is not a good thing.[/quote]

first of all nothing in there about age. secondly it seems like you’re saying that if a child has sex inside of marriage it’s ok.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
To complicate matters, the book was translated several times and RE WRITTEN by King James (that’s why they call it “the king james version”) so that he could control the population better and conform to the particular beliefs of the Church of England. Why on earth would you TRUST such an altered and bastardized manuscript?
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Another topic…but this is why I have great doubts about the parts of the Bible that seemingly elevate one person or group above others in God’s eyes(Romans 13, for instance).

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[quote]NorCal916 wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
I’m a Christian. I think scripture is pretty clear on this one.

I disagree with the Humanist approach on basically everything. [/quote]

Is there scripture on pedophilia?
[/quote]

None of harming/abusing children? I guess you are ignorant of scripture.
[/quote]

I’m pretty sure that there are some directives from GOD to harm and abuse children. Something about killing the first borns, and something else about raping the virgins (or keeping them for your amusement)? Ring a bell?

If THAT’S the guy you listen to about how to treat children, why do you trust his word on homosexuals?

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
To complicate matters, the book was translated several times and RE WRITTEN by King James (that’s why they call it “the king james version”) so that he could control the population better and conform to the particular beliefs of the Church of England. Why on earth would you TRUST such an altered and bastardized manuscript?
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Another topic…but this is why I have great doubts about the parts of the Bible that seemingly elevate one person or group above others in God’s eyes(Romans 13, for instance). [/quote]

so if you have doubt about parts of the bible how can you know which is true and which is not? are you just picking the parts you like?

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
To complicate matters, the book was translated several times and RE WRITTEN by King James (that’s why they call it “the king james version”) so that he could control the population better and conform to the particular beliefs of the Church of England. Why on earth would you TRUST such an altered and bastardized manuscript?
[/quote]

Another topic…but this is why I have great doubts about the parts of the Bible that seemingly elevate one person or group above others in God’s eyes(Romans 13, for instance). [/quote]

Yeah, Romans 13:7 is one of my favorites! LOL

But I would say that this is NOT another topic. These topics are intrinsically linked because MOST of the people who have such a problem with homosexuality use the bible or the teachings of christianity as the basis for that position.

If I can destroy the argument of the moral superiority of christianity, then I can take the foundation of their argument away from the discussion at hand.