They are both aberrant behavior, and I think somewhat related. Being from California I have known tons of gay people. And there is a strong attraction (dare I say lust?) to a “youthful boyishness” look. It’s the dirty little secret they only speak of in dark quarters.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
[quote]Ironskape wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
And it is always the same arguments.
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Of course it is. We’re hardly going to think up new arguments just because gays and enablers don’t agree with our position.
Yep. And the reason is that existential nihilism has brought about an era of hedonism, permissiveness and organised deviancy.
They make perfect sense. You just don’t agree with them.
Actually no. I have given examples as have others here of this happening already. There are historical examples too. NAMBLA piggy backing off the gay successes in the 70’s. The only reason the mainstream gay “rights” movement distanced themselves from NAMBLA was due to the negative publicity.
Here’s one of the “new frontiers” in the sex rights movement:
“Equality For All” - “zoophile rights” they call it.
Others have given recent examples of polygamy - in one recent case three women got “married” to each other:
So you’re being deliberately dishonest here aren’t you? There’s an example right there, right now of the slippery slope of blue state lunacy. Three lesbians “marrying” themselves. And you’ve got the chutzpah to sit there and mock people who are legitimately concerned about this shit. I raise serious and legitimate concerns about the activities of radical LGBT groups in schools and you and smh just fob it off as an “isolated incident”. I raise legitimate concerns about radical legislation permitting drag queens to use female toilets; about radical LGBT groups encouraging children for fuck’s sake to “explore their gender identity” and cross dress at schools. These same groups who initiate children into their activism with the “day of silence” subversion. These same groups that target and harass Christian pastry workers and any other Christians they can find; backed by radical “civil rights” groups; using radical affirmative action and anti-discrimination legislation to harass Christians - taking every opportunity to mock them; to mock Christianity and to make a mockery of marriage. And you’ve got the gall to call me a “hater?”
Yes, I know it’s a lost cause and that Western countries will continue to sink into the moral sewer. Why do you think traditional Muslims hate the West so much? Every time they watch a Western TV show or see an American advertisement they’re subjected to filth. I can understand why they don’t want their countries Westernised and why they hate American and Western culture. I’d want to stop that shit from corrupting my country too if I was in their position.
Interesting choice of words. Profaned the temple? Check. Weighed and found wanting? Check. Persians and Medes? They’re on their way.
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SexMachine -classy name, by the way, really highlights the purity of your moral compass- I get the impression you’ve never actually met a gay person.
I’m gay. Ask me anything you want. I can tell you why I want to marry my boyfriend of two and a half years, why I want a kid (or two…but no more), and why I think I would make a fantastic father and husband.
Then you can tell me why you think that’s wrong.
It’s an actual opportunity for discussion with someone gay marriage would actually affect.
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What is your opinion on the strong link between gay men and pedophilia?
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I’ll give my opinion. As I said above, I don’t believe that homosexuality = pedophilia, however it is disturbingly prevalent. It can be seen in the culture of “twinks” and “bears”. Of course most are not actually child molesters but the attraction to other men is closely related to attraction to boys. Historically, the connection or association is clear with the gay culture of Ancient Greece and Rome being pretty much exclusively pederastic relationships. And gay culture in Afghanistan for example, is largely manifest in the “bacha bazi boys” - boys who are abused by “bears” as they’re called in the West. So yes, attraction to boys as opposed to men is significantly common. Of course, what makes it particularly heinous is if the boy is pre-pubescent. There’s a big difference between being attracted to a 16-year-old and being attracted to a 12-year-old. Fortunately, most are not attracted to young children(it would seem) but it’s still pretty sordid as is homosexual culture in general.[/quote]
How is being attracted to youth in the gay community any different from Hebephilia, and Ephebophilia among straight men? It is seen everywhere and pretty much accepted even on this site jail bait/borderline pictures have been posted.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Who wants to take a bet that the gay radicals will start hammering away at age of consent laws next? I mean, 40% of convicted sex offenders are gay/bi yet they only make up 2-3% of the population. What does that tell you? It tells me that age of consent laws are homophobic and that they unfairly target the LGBT community. We can’t have that can we? Besides, “age” and “consent” are really abstract and fluid like gender. We can’t just pick an arbitrary age limit and say that anyone who goes below it is a criminal right? Think of all the pederasts…- sorry, I mean “LGBT people” in prison just because of who they “love”.[/quote]
Doesn’t it strike you as odd that you by default associate homosexuals with people who like to have sex with young children? Is there any reason you make this connection with homosexuals and not say religious people, or straight people, or Puerto Ricans, or New Worlders?
On that point, who is most likely to be a pedo and why should be more based in science and not subjective judgment.
It would be far more accurate to say that your opinion on the subject of gay marriage doesn’t matter. The issue doesn’t affect you, and yet here you are, spouting your garbage like the world needs to hear it. It does, however, directly affect my entire goddamn future, so I’d say that’s a pretty good reason to bring it up.
By your logic, never, EVER, bring up the fact you have a wife. We don’t need to hear about your sex life.
Please do. Otherwise “I can, but I won’t” sounds like you’re full of shit.
What do you mean, “appealing to authority”? Whose authority am I appealing to? Yours? I’m using evidence to support my opinion on the matter. You’re using ignorance and hate to support yours.
What does a mother do for a child beyond breastfeeding, exactly? Provide emotional support? Love and nurture? Honey, if you can’t do those things yourself, you’re a shitty father.
Here’s a young man who was also raised by two lesbians, saying the exact opposite:
He was raised by fantastic mothers, who gave him everything a straight couple could have given him. It turns out that gay people aren’t shitty parents, shitty parents are shitty parents.
Because kids are stupid, right? They can’t tell the difference between “love” and “not fighting all the time”.
That’s the dumbest fucking thing I’ve ever read in my life. You seriously believe that gay marriage will halt procreation? What, will having a gay couple move in down the street magically make a straight couple infertile?
Giving gays legal status to marry doesn’t affect the actual number of gay people. We’ve been here the whole time, buddy. I don’t feel like that’s something I should have to point out.
You have no animosity towards gay people. You’ve just spent the last five pages proving otherwise.
Do you know where the “statistic” that gay men are more likely to molest children than straight men comes from? All man-to-boy sexual assault cases are categorized as “homosexual”. They don’t self-identify as gay, and they don’t have sex with men.
Men who have sex with little girls aren’t “straight”, they’re pedophiles. There’s a big fucking difference.
The vast majority of child molesters self-identify as heterosexual. Show me the proof that says otherwise.
What about the historical culture of men marrying brides a third of their age? What about the ridiculously low age of consent for girls in Japan? What about the extremely prevalent fetish that straight men have for high school girls? What about the entire fucking movement to stop men from MARRYING underage girls?
This is not a gay issue, it’s a piece-of-shit issue.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Who wants to take a bet that the gay radicals will start hammering away at age of consent laws next? I mean, 40% of convicted sex offenders are gay/bi yet they only make up 2-3% of the population. What does that tell you? It tells me that age of consent laws are homophobic and that they unfairly target the LGBT community. We can’t have that can we? Besides, “age” and “consent” are really abstract and fluid like gender. We can’t just pick an arbitrary age limit and say that anyone who goes below it is a criminal right? Think of all the pederasts…- sorry, I mean “LGBT people” in prison just because of who they “love”.[/quote]
Doesn’t it strike you as odd that you by default associate homosexuals with people who like to have sex with young children? Is there any reason you make this connection with homosexuals and not say religious people, or straight people, or Puerto Ricans, or New Worlders?
On that point, who is most likely to be a pedo and why should be more based in science and not subjective judgment. [/quote]
Personally, I associate pedophiles with Catholic priests.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
So you’re being deliberately dishonest here aren’t you? There’s an example right there, right now of the slippery slope of blue state lunacy. Three lesbians “marrying” themselves. And you’ve got the chutzpah to sit there and mock people who are legitimately concerned about this shit. I raise serious and legitimate concerns about the activities of radical LGBT groups in schools and you and smh just fob it off as an “isolated incident”. I raise legitimate concerns about radical legislation permitting drag queens to use female toilets; about radical LGBT groups encouraging children for fuck’s sake to “explore their gender identity” and cross dress at schools. These same groups who initiate children into their activism with the “day of silence” subversion. These same groups that target and harass Christian pastry workers and any other Christians they can find; backed by radical “civil rights” groups; using radical affirmative action and anti-discrimination legislation to harass Christians - taking every opportunity to mock them; to mock Christianity and to make a mockery of marriage. And you’ve got the gall to call me a “hater?”[quote]
Of course they are isolated incidents. You mean to tell me these things are happening on a mass scale? Of course they aren’t. You find a few things, tie them directly to gay marriage (which is dishonest) and use that to say we should say no to everyone else. This is poor logical reasoning and very lazy. Should we get rid of Christianity because of what a few people have done with it? Should we get rid of Catholicism because of pedophile pastors?
Why aren’t these things happening all over the place in mass numbers? Some places have had gay marriage for YEARS. Why do we not have large numbers of people marrying trees and animals?
All you do is search for a weird thing and say “it’s because of gay marriage that this happen.” As if NONE of this shit happened before gay marriage. Weird people have been weird forever. Gay marriage doesn’t cause weirdness. Two gays being allowed to marry isn’t the reason some dude wants to fuck a sheep. No matter how much you wish it is.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]Ironskape wrote:
The same reason a straight couple who, for whatever reason, can’t have children would want to pursue adoption. [/quote]
-I don’t know…it seems a stretch to compare a man and woman, one or both of whom have a condition that precludes procreation, to a man and man or woman woman, relationships which could never produce a child, no matter the reproductive health of those involved. Or are you saying that homosexuality is a reproductive disorder?
-It still seems unlikely to me that such a desire would accompany a natural attraction to those with whom you can’t possibly produce a child.
-Perhaps not, but, like I’ve said, it seems unlikely that one whose genetic code tells him that he should mate with the same sex would also give him a desire to have children.[/quote]
I don’t know what to tell you, then. I like dudes. I want to be a father. Apparently, the two can coexist.
Disclaimer: I have no issue with same sex marriage, or same sex couples having/raising children.
That said:
[quote]Ironskape wrote:
What does a mother do for a child beyond breastfeeding, exactly? Provide emotional support? Love and nurture? Honey, if you can’t do those things yourself, you’re a shitty father.
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You don’t get it, and because of your biases, never will.
Being raised by two men is different than being raised by two women, and both are different than being raised by a mixed gender couple.
Different does NOT mean better or worse, just different.
In short, stop talking out of your ass about something and except the fact it is different. There is nothing wrong with different, stop running away from it.
[quote]Ironskape wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]Ironskape wrote:
The same reason a straight couple who, for whatever reason, can’t have children would want to pursue adoption. [/quote]
-I don’t know…it seems a stretch to compare a man and woman, one or both of whom have a condition that precludes procreation, to a man and man or woman woman, relationships which could never produce a child, no matter the reproductive health of those involved. Or are you saying that homosexuality is a reproductive disorder?
-It still seems unlikely to me that such a desire would accompany a natural attraction to those with whom you can’t possibly produce a child.
-Perhaps not, but, like I’ve said, it seems unlikely that one whose genetic code tells him that he should mate with the same sex would also give him a desire to have children.[/quote]
I don’t know what to tell you, then. I like dudes. I want to be a father. Apparently, the two can coexist. [/quote]
That’s fine, but it leads me to believe that one does choose to be gay. I don’t know that it’s a conscious choice(I’m fairly certain that there are contributing factors-perhaps a mother who plays the role of a father, a family that rejects traditional culture, etc.), but I do believe that it’s a choice. I do believe that I could choose to be gay tomorrow. I do believe that you could choose to like chicks tomorrow.
Are children raised by homosexuals more likely to be gay than others? I highly(HIGHLY) doubt it-they grow up seeing some of the difficulties that come with being gay(for the same reason that a child who grows up without a father seems more likely to become a criminal, I would think a child raised by gays may also be more likely to become a criminal, however), I would think .
Are homosexuals more likely to be pedophiles than others? I think that’s probable; however, that’s almost certainly correlation(one who rejects morality that discourages homosexuality is probably more likely to reject morality that discourages other relationships), not causation.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]Ironskape wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]Ironskape wrote:
The same reason a straight couple who, for whatever reason, can’t have children would want to pursue adoption. [/quote]
-I don’t know…it seems a stretch to compare a man and woman, one or both of whom have a condition that precludes procreation, to a man and man or woman woman, relationships which could never produce a child, no matter the reproductive health of those involved. Or are you saying that homosexuality is a reproductive disorder?
-It still seems unlikely to me that such a desire would accompany a natural attraction to those with whom you can’t possibly produce a child.
-Perhaps not, but, like I’ve said, it seems unlikely that one whose genetic code tells him that he should mate with the same sex would also give him a desire to have children.[/quote]
I don’t know what to tell you, then. I like dudes. I want to be a father. Apparently, the two can coexist. [/quote]
That’s fine, but it leads me to believe that one does choose to be gay. I don’t know that it’s a conscious choice(I’m fairly certain that there are contributing factors-perhaps a mother who plays the role of a father, a family that rejects traditional culture, etc.), but I do believe that it’s a choice. I do believe that I could choose to be gay tomorrow. I do believe that you could choose to like chicks tomorrow.
Are children raised by homosexuals more likely to be gay than others? I highly(HIGHLY) doubt it-they grow up seeing some of the difficulties that come with being gay(for the same reason that a child who grows up without a father seems more likely to become a criminal, I would think a child raised by gays may also be more likely to become a criminal, however), I would think .
Are homosexuals more likely to be pedophiles than others? I think that’s probable; however, that’s almost certainly correlation(one who rejects morality that discourages homosexuality is probably more likely to reject morality that discourages other relationships), not causation.[/quote]
where is this morality, you speak of, defined?
[quote]NickViar wrote:
I do believe that I could choose to be gay tomorrow.
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For the sake of experiment, how far would you be willing to take this?
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
I do believe that I could choose to be gay tomorrow.
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For the sake of experiment, how far would you be willing to take this?[/quote]
Many, many do. Can you explain bisexuals?
[quote]hmm87 wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
That’s fine, but it leads me to believe that one does choose to be gay. I don’t know that it’s a conscious choice(I’m fairly certain that there are contributing factors-perhaps a mother who plays the role of a father, a family that rejects traditional culture, etc.), but I do believe that it’s a choice. I do believe that I could choose to be gay tomorrow. I do believe that you could choose to like chicks tomorrow.
Are children raised by homosexuals more likely to be gay than others? I highly(HIGHLY) doubt it-they grow up seeing some of the difficulties that come with being gay(for the same reason that a child who grows up without a father seems more likely to become a criminal, I would think a child raised by gays may also be more likely to become a criminal, however), I would think .
Are homosexuals more likely to be pedophiles than others? I think that’s probable; however, that’s almost certainly correlation(one who rejects morality that discourages homosexuality is probably more likely to reject morality that discourages other relationships), not causation.[/quote]
where is this morality, you speak of, defined?[/quote]
For the purposes of this discussion, tradition and culture. Let’s say that 98% of A have developed morals that prevent them from being gay or pedophilic. Let’s say that 2% of A rejects the traditional morality and culture. Let’s say that .001% of A is pedophilic. I think that a higher percentage of the 2% that rejects the traditional morality of the culture in one area is more likely to reject it in the other.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
I do believe that I could choose to be gay tomorrow.
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For the sake of experiment, how far would you be willing to take this?[/quote]
LOL…nowhere, because my morality is more important to me than an experiment.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
I do believe that I could choose to be gay tomorrow.
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For the sake of experiment, how far would you be willing to take this?[/quote]
LOL…nowhere, because my morality is more important to me than an experiment.[/quote]
Where does your morality come from?
^ I appeal to religion. Yours?
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
^ I appeal to religion. Yours?[/quote]
where in your religion is being gay immoral?
My morality is subjective. I choose not to do things to others as i would not like done to myself.
I’m a Christian. I think scripture is pretty clear on this one.
I disagree with the Humanist approach on basically everything.
I would think of one of the last things being subjective is morality. Do you base right or wrong based on your moral compass, or does it vary from day to day?
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
I’m a Christian. I think scripture is pretty clear on this one.
I disagree with the Humanist approach on basically everything. [/quote]
Is there scripture on pedophilia?