Game of Thrones Season 3

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I’ve got to say, the one thing about Game of Thrones that I love more than anything else is how the past absolutely haunts every facet of the characters’ lives.

See, that’s what Martin truly got right about people that nearly every other writer has failed to do - most characters in most books are living in the present constantly. If they remember something, it is brief and fleeting, and it’s written about once and then the author moves on; he’s said to you, “And now there is THIS.” And then it’s assumed that they remember it.

But Martin has brought to life how REAL people think - every time they look at something, it brings back some memory or feeling about what happened “Before.” The characters are always lost in their own thoughts, and are no different than us - especially those of us that have had some pretty awful shit happen to them, and as a result have the ghosts of those things resurrected every time we see something that reminds us of that.

I find this most interesting with the characters of Ned Stark - who is always reliving the battles, seeing his sister die, regretting the path things have taken - and Jaime Lannister, who is grappling with gigantic moral quandaries constantly, and is always reminded of the one life-changing incident that he turns over and over in his mind nearly every minute.

This notion of the characters’ lives being built, stone by stone, upon the history of not only their houses, but of their own lives, is a flash of realism that I’ve never seen so finely done in any novel, ever.

Also, I like the idea that now that Jaime’s hand is gone, the ever-talented warrior must now re-learn how to fight. It’s like a sprinter who has had a stroke that now must learn once again how to walk. What comes out of that plotline even more, of course, is that Jaime is in fact not spoiled like either of his two siblings - he is willing to work harder, and suffer more punishment, than almost any other character. In this way, I think, he and Ned Stark share a lot of the same qualities, even though they may be on different ends of the moral spectrum.

I gotta say, I love that guy’s character. He’s like me but taller and blond.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

Also, I like the idea that now that Jaime’s hand is gone, the ever-talented warrior must now re-learn how to fight. It’s like a sprinter who has had a stroke that now must learn once again how to walk. What comes out of that plotline even more, of course, is that Jaime is in fact not spoiled like either of his two siblings - he is willing to work harder, and suffer more punishment, than almost any other character. In this way, I think, he and Ned Stark share a lot of the same qualities, even though they may be on different ends of the moral spectrum.

I gotta say, I love that guy’s character. He’s like me but taller and blond.

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He is interesting in that he does not shy away from the “Kingslayer” label.

His exchange with Stark senior shows that.

“and if I had stabbed him from the front, would you approve more of it?”

“What were his lasts words, I never asked” “The same things he was saying for days, burn them, burn them all…”

This king needed killing, as his bodyguard he was in a great position to do it, so he did, knowing what consequences this would have for him.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I’ve got to say, the one thing about Game of Thrones that I love more than anything else is how the past absolutely haunts every facet of the characters’ lives.

See, that’s what Martin truly got right about people that nearly every other writer has failed to do - most characters in most books are living in the present constantly. If they remember something, it is brief and fleeting, and it’s written about once and then the author moves on; he’s said to you, “And now there is THIS.” And then it’s assumed that they remember it.

But Martin has brought to life how REAL people think - every time they look at something, it brings back some memory or feeling about what happened “Before.” The characters are always lost in their own thoughts, and are no different than us - especially those of us that have had some pretty awful shit happen to them, and as a result have the ghosts of those things resurrected every time we see something that reminds us of that.

I find this most interesting with the characters of Ned Stark - who is always reliving the battles, seeing his sister die, regretting the path things have taken - and Jaime Lannister, who is grappling with gigantic moral quandaries constantly, and is always reminded of the one life-changing incident that he turns over and over in his mind nearly every minute.

This notion of the characters’ lives being built, stone by stone, upon the history of not only their houses, but of their own lives, is a flash of realism that I’ve never seen so finely done in any novel, ever.

Also, I like the idea that now that Jaime’s hand is gone, the ever-talented warrior must now re-learn how to fight. It’s like a sprinter who has had a stroke that now must learn once again how to walk. What comes out of that plotline even more, of course, is that Jaime is in fact not spoiled like either of his two siblings - he is willing to work harder, and suffer more punishment, than almost any other character. In this way, I think, he and Ned Stark share a lot of the same qualities, even though they may be on different ends of the moral spectrum.

I gotta say, I love that guy’s character. He’s like me but taller and blond.

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This has definitely made the character development that much more interesting. At first I hated Jaime Lannister’s character, but he is actually really good, I am looking forward to reading further as I have only just started the 2nd book.

I also find Jon Snow’s character interesting as he is always haunted by being a bastard child and never really being accepted as a Stark. It was even the past that led Theon Greyjoy taking the actions he did although he regrets betraying Rob now to try and earn his fathers love. I am behind the show at the moment in the books so I am interested to know where that part of the story goes.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

Also, I like the idea that now that Jaime’s hand is gone, the ever-talented warrior must now re-learn how to fight. It’s like a sprinter who has had a stroke that now must learn once again how to walk. What comes out of that plotline even more, of course, is that Jaime is in fact not spoiled like either of his two siblings - he is willing to work harder, and suffer more punishment, than almost any other character. In this way, I think, he and Ned Stark share a lot of the same qualities, even though they may be on different ends of the moral spectrum.

I gotta say, I love that guy’s character. He’s like me but taller and blond.

[/quote]

He is interesting in that he does not shy away from the “Kingslayer” label.

His exchange with Stark senior shows that.

“and if I had stabbed him from the front, would you approve more of it?”

“What were his lasts words, I never asked” “The same things he was saying for days, burn them, burn them all…”

This king needed killing, as his bodyguard he was in a great position to do it, so he did, knowing what consequences this would have for him. [/quote]

Forgive me for not seeing it before, but I’m unaware if you’ve read the books - in those, when Jaime’s chapters really go into how mad Aerys really was, you start thinking, “I’d have killed this fucking monster myself.”

Once Martin describes that king’s misdeeds, and pretty much tells you that nobody aside from the Kingsguard really saw the level of depravity he’d reached, his conduct becomes totally understandable.

And I love that he never shies away from the label of Kingslayer. He even seems to enjoy it just because everyone else tries to make an insult out of it. It’s like, every possible way he can say “Fuck you” to the world, he does. But in more of Loki-ish way, as opposed to his father, who is just aggressive seemingly for the sake of being aggressive.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

Also, I like the idea that now that Jaime’s hand is gone, the ever-talented warrior must now re-learn how to fight. It’s like a sprinter who has had a stroke that now must learn once again how to walk. What comes out of that plotline even more, of course, is that Jaime is in fact not spoiled like either of his two siblings - he is willing to work harder, and suffer more punishment, than almost any other character. In this way, I think, he and Ned Stark share a lot of the same qualities, even though they may be on different ends of the moral spectrum.

I gotta say, I love that guy’s character. He’s like me but taller and blond.

[/quote]

He is interesting in that he does not shy away from the “Kingslayer” label.

His exchange with Stark senior shows that.

“and if I had stabbed him from the front, would you approve more of it?”

“What were his lasts words, I never asked” “The same things he was saying for days, burn them, burn them all…”

This king needed killing, as his bodyguard he was in a great position to do it, so he did, knowing what consequences this would have for him. [/quote]

Forgive me for not seeing it before, but I’m unaware if you’ve read the books - in those, when Jaime’s chapters really go into how mad Aerys really was, you start thinking, “I’d have killed this fucking monster myself.”

Once Martin describes that king’s misdeeds, and pretty much tells you that nobody aside from the Kingsguard really saw the level of depravity he’d reached, his conduct becomes totally understandable.

And I love that he never shies away from the label of Kingslayer. He even seems to enjoy it just because everyone else tries to make an insult out of it. It’s like, every possible way he can say “Fuck you” to the world, he does. But in more of Loki-ish way, as opposed to his father, who is just aggressive seemingly for the sake of being aggressive.[/quote]

His father has a scene where he explains why he is willing to defend Tyrion.

Its about the name, the house, that cannot be fucked with, it has to be feared.

In the world that he lives in, that makes perfect sense.

Better to err on the side of ruthless brutality than to invite it.

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[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
I’ve been reading the books so I knew it was coming I just thought they did an amazing job. The music was perfect, Daeny had the absolute perfect amount of ferocity; it was just executed fantastically.

My gf was watching me nerd out b/c I was so excited about it.[/quote]

dude, they did that shit perfectly … I’ve never thought of Daneyris to be that great of a leader or warrior until I saw that shit last night … I’m a true believer now (until Daario Naharis shows up … then I’m gonna dislike her again)[/quote]

(I think she is smoking hot too)[/quote]
her eyebrows are weird.

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
I’ve been reading the books so I knew it was coming I just thought they did an amazing job. The music was perfect, Daeny had the absolute perfect amount of ferocity; it was just executed fantastically.

My gf was watching me nerd out b/c I was so excited about it.[/quote]

dude, they did that shit perfectly … I’ve never thought of Daneyris to be that great of a leader or warrior until I saw that shit last night … I’m a true believer now (until Daario Naharis shows up … then I’m gonna dislike her again)[/quote]

(I think she is smoking hot too)[/quote]
her eyebrows are weird.[/quote]

Fuck you. I’ll fucking kill you and eat your body.

That was my initial reaction to your comment. Then I looked and noticed the one had a little odd curve to it. And then I still thought she was smoking hot and if I’m gonna be that picky I better be pretty damn perfect. Which I am. So now I hate her

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[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:

[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
I’ve been reading the books so I knew it was coming I just thought they did an amazing job. The music was perfect, Daeny had the absolute perfect amount of ferocity; it was just executed fantastically.

My gf was watching me nerd out b/c I was so excited about it.[/quote]

dude, they did that shit perfectly … I’ve never thought of Daneyris to be that great of a leader or warrior until I saw that shit last night … I’m a true believer now (until Daario Naharis shows up … then I’m gonna dislike her again)[/quote]

(I think she is smoking hot too)[/quote]
her eyebrows are weird.[/quote]

Fuck you. I’ll fucking kill you and eat your body.

That was my initial reaction to your comment. Then I looked and noticed the one had a little odd curve to it. And then I still thought she was smoking hot and if I’m gonna be that picky I better be pretty damn perfect. Which I am. So now I hate her[/quote]
elbows too pointy. 4/10

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[quote]OBoile wrote:

[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
Best fucking episode last night of the entire TV show. The ending was so on point and so good I had to watch it a couple of times. [/quote]
I thought the ending was great. An actual improvement from the book.[/quote]

It definitely had more impact than in the book. I think the guy playing the king did such a good job of being arrogantly despicable that it made it all the sweeter when she gave the order to kill.

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[quote]orion wrote:
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amazing.

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Last episode didn’t have quite the same amount of impact as Dany getting control of the slave army, but interested to know what was going on between Mormont and Selmy. It was also interesting going more into Jaime Lannister’s character; he is starting to seem less of a dick then he portrayed in the first season.

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[quote]Ironwarrior25 wrote:
Last episode didn’t have quite the same amount of impact as Dany getting control of the slave army, but interested to know what was going on between Mormont and Selmy. It was also interesting going more into Jaime Lannister’s character; he is starting to seem less of a dick then he portrayed in the first season.[/quote]
Good eye on Mormont/Selmy. There is more to Mormont than people realize right now and I’ll leave it at that.

Good episode, nothing too dramatic but every scene was pretty intriguing, especially the long talk between Jaime and Brienne.

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]Ironwarrior25 wrote:
Last episode didn’t have quite the same amount of impact as Dany getting control of the slave army, but interested to know what was going on between Mormont and Selmy. It was also interesting going more into Jaime Lannister’s character; he is starting to seem less of a dick then he portrayed in the first season.[/quote]
Good eye on Mormont/Selmy. There is more to Mormont than people realize right now and I’ll leave it at that.

Good episode, nothing too dramatic but every scene was pretty intriguing, especially the long talk between Jaime and Brienne. [/quote]

Yeah glad no spoilers. I am only part way through the second book, but to be honest I am really enjoying the show, then reading about it in more detail after I have watched it. I am impressed with how well it has kept to the books.

Yeah noticed Mormont changed his tune, going from wanting the royal pardon to staying with Dany as he blatantly wants her (who doesn’t?).

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Finally they’re getting further into Jamie. That dude is a badass in that he ignores everyone’s criticisms of him because he KNOWS what he did was right.

Once you watch that scene, his conduct becomes much, much more admirable. And you start seeing that he’s not what you thought he was, and that like all men, there’s a little darkness and a little light in him.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Finally they’re getting further into Jamie. That dude is a badass in that he ignores everyone’s criticisms of him because he KNOWS what he did was right.

Once you watch that scene, his conduct becomes much, much more admirable. And you start seeing that he’s not what you thought he was, and that like all men, there’s a little darkness and a little light in him.[/quote]

I started to think this as well, then my friend reminded me that he still threw a little kid out a window because the kid saw him fucking his sister.

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Finally they’re getting further into Jamie. That dude is a badass in that he ignores everyone’s criticisms of him because he KNOWS what he did was right.

Once you watch that scene, his conduct becomes much, much more admirable. And you start seeing that he’s not what you thought he was, and that like all men, there’s a little darkness and a little light in him.[/quote]

I started to think this as well, then my friend reminded me that he still threw a little kid out a window because the kid saw him fucking his sister.[/quote]

Oh well…

Why form an opinion based on such minor distractions…

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Yea- I don’t think they can continually put out episodes as great as the one from 2 weeks ago. This past one was great in that it filled in some of the story and put people into Jamie’s head.

Did anyone else have trouble hearing what Jamie was saying? Like it seemed very mumbled. I’ve had to crank up my TV b/c for some reason HBO Go off my Xbox isn’t very loud.

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People seem to be overlooking the fact that Jon Snow got laid. That’s a critical plot point.

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He is one of my favorite characters in both the book and the show but I feel very disconnected from that whole plot line right now. They haven’t given it much attention (just like in the books for a bit)