http://www.musclewithattitude.com/article/training/metabolic_damage_part_i&cr=
Andersons, you are right, I was thinking about the wrong article. This one is the one I was thinking about, but it doesn’t cover how to fix the problem that well.
I apologize for not double checking that I had the right article.
OMG great articles!
@andersons - I do not weight train (i got to this forum through one of my friends who does - actually his user I’m on). A minor question: What is BCAA (I know it’s an amino acid) and which foods contain it?
@Zagman - really amazing article about Wilsons syndrome. I was at my doctor a few weeks ago and he took a blood test and told me that my metabolism was just fine. This got me very confused because I was still gaining weight at a 1000 kcal. Now i know why 
I have most of the symptoms of the Wilsons syndrome but I could not find any ways to cure it on the internet. Do you know a way or should i see a doctor again?
Last, I really appreciate your answers because we don’t have anyone who know much about this in Denmark.
[quote]warsoe wrote:
OMG great articles!
@andersons - I do not weight train (i got to this forum through one of my friends who does - actually his user I’m on). A minor question: What is BCAA (I know it’s an amino acid) and which foods contain it?
@Zagman - really amazing article about Wilsons syndrome. I was at my doctor a few weeks ago and he took a blood test and told me that my metabolism was just fine. This got me very confused because I was still gaining weight at a 1000 kcal. Now i know why
I have most of the symptoms of the Wilsons syndrome but I could not find any ways to cure it on the internet. Do you know a way or should i see a doctor again?
Last, I really appreciate your answers because we don’t have anyone who know much about this in Denmark. [/quote]
In truth this is a serious problem and beyond the realm of internet advice. I advise you seek out a doctor, and or registered dietician(whatever the denmark equivelant is). You are at a point where you have a clinical condition, and it would be unethical for us to advise you furthur. It sounds to me that you need professional help, something that we cannot provide.
BCAA - Branched Chain Amino Acids - BCAAs are amino acids that make up about 1/3 of muscle tissue. They are Luecine, Isoluecine, and Valine. There are over 20 amino acids, 9 essential ones that our bodies cannot produce on our own. BCAAs are not essential, in the sense that we can produce them ourselves without the need to eat them. Foods that contain protein usually have all the amino acids to one degree or another.
Animal proteins besides gelatin are considered complete protein(they have sufficient amount of each essential amino acid) while soy is the only complete plant protein. You have to eat a couple of different plant souces of proteins to get all of the essential amino acids like nuts and whole grains. BCAAs are typically supplemented to give our muscles the building blocks that they need to grow, and since a large portion of the muscle tissue is made up of BCAAs, it makes sense.
Good luck. And, this appears to be a problem beyond the realm of curing with the internet, you need a professional who can make an objective assessment and get to the bottom of this. Again, good luck.
And when it is all said and done, take a serious look at weight training.
Eat foods that are denser in calories…
Eat more warm starches like sweet potatoes and give tropical oils a chance-coconut and palm. Fatty fruit like olives and avocados. Have more skim-milk or switch to 2%. Metabolic Drive shakes. etc.
You can get real creative when trying to add muscle via diet. BTW, 1000Kcal is sort of low. Have a skim(or better yet, tasty whole or 2%) milk latte in the morning besides breakfast or with your snack for extra calories, protein and calcium. Add bigger side-salads with extra olive oil.
Good luck with your goal of adding weight.
[quote]thirdgemini wrote:
Eat foods that are denser in calories…
Eat more warm starches like sweet potatoes and give tropical oils a chance-coconut and palm. Fatty fruit like olives and avocados. Have more skim-milk or switch to 2%. Metabolic Drive shakes. etc.
You can get real creative when trying to add muscle via diet. BTW, 1000Kcal is sort of low. Have a skim(or better yet, tasty whole or 2%) milk latte in the morning besides breakfast or with your snack for extra calories, protein and calcium. Add bigger side-salads with extra olive oil.
Good luck with your goal of adding weight. :)[/quote]
WTF? Are we talking too fast for you? What in the hell does any of what you wrote have to do with this thread?
Jesus.
Thanks for your help.
I have now made an appointment with my doctor. If he is not helpful I will see a dietician - doctors are for free in Denmark and dietician are not.
When they have given me a plan for what to do I will be posting my progress and so in a log.
Once again I’m very pleased with your answers - eengrms, zagman and andersons!
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
thirdgemini wrote:
Eat foods that are denser in calories…
Eat more warm starches like sweet potatoes and give tropical oils a chance-coconut and palm. Fatty fruit like olives and avocados. Have more skim-milk or switch to 2%. Metabolic Drive shakes. etc.
You can get real creative when trying to add muscle via diet. BTW, 1000Kcal is sort of low. Have a skim(or better yet, tasty whole or 2%) milk latte in the morning besides breakfast or with your snack for extra calories, protein and calcium. Add bigger side-salads with extra olive oil.
Good luck with your goal of adding weight.
WTF? Are we talking too fast for you? What in the hell does any of what you wrote have to do with this thread?
Jesus.[/quote]
Calm down, what does Jesus have to do with the thread?
I’m just saying… increasing calories may be helpful to someone on a 1000kcal diet. I was simply offering suggestions on how to do so with healthful foods.
It’s not that serious. lol
[quote]thirdgemini wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
thirdgemini wrote:
Eat foods that are denser in calories…
Eat more warm starches like sweet potatoes and give tropical oils a chance-coconut and palm. Fatty fruit like olives and avocados. Have more skim-milk or switch to 2%. Metabolic Drive shakes. etc.
You can get real creative when trying to add muscle via diet. BTW, 1000Kcal is sort of low. Have a skim(or better yet, tasty whole or 2%) milk latte in the morning besides breakfast or with your snack for extra calories, protein and calcium. Add bigger side-salads with extra olive oil.
Good luck with your goal of adding weight.
WTF? Are we talking too fast for you? What in the hell does any of what you wrote have to do with this thread?
Jesus.
Calm down, what does Jesus have to do with the thread?
I’m just saying… increasing calories may be helpful to someone on a 1000kcal diet. I was simply offering suggestions on how to do so with healthful foods.
It’s not that serious. lol
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What is serious is not reading a thread, throwing out suggestions about just eating more when a person likely has a clinical condition and shouldn’t be receiving internet expertise. Yes, increasing calories is generally helpful to a person who is only eating 1k, but not when they have some pretty serious metabolic damange, that topic is not for us to advise upon.
And in this case, it kinda was serious. LOL 
[quote]Zagman wrote:
thirdgemini wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
thirdgemini wrote:
Eat foods that are denser in calories…
Eat more warm starches like sweet potatoes and give tropical oils a chance-coconut and palm. Fatty fruit like olives and avocados. Have more skim-milk or switch to 2%. Metabolic Drive shakes. etc.
You can get real creative when trying to add muscle via diet. BTW, 1000Kcal is sort of low. Have a skim(or better yet, tasty whole or 2%) milk latte in the morning besides breakfast or with your snack for extra calories, protein and calcium. Add bigger side-salads with extra olive oil.
Good luck with your goal of adding weight.
WTF? Are we talking too fast for you? What in the hell does any of what you wrote have to do with this thread?
Jesus.
Calm down, what does Jesus have to do with the thread?
I’m just saying… increasing calories may be helpful to someone on a 1000kcal diet. I was simply offering suggestions on how to do so with healthful foods.
It’s not that serious. lol
What is serious is not reading a thread, throwing out suggestions about just eating more when a person likely has a clinical condition and shouldn’t be receiving internet expertise. Yes, increasing calories is generally helpful to a person who is only eating 1k, but not when they have some pretty serious metabolic damange, that topic is not for us to advise upon.
And in this case, it kinda was serious. LOL :D[/quote]
I wasn’t advising anything about her clinical condition or metabolic damage or whatever as I’m not a physician… I was just saying the girl should try a sweet potato or an avocado from time to time. I did read the thread and was replying to the OP… Perhaps I missed the post where she says that she has a clinical condition and specific diagnosis from her doctor. I know a girl who gets by fine on 1200 and occasionally takes in only about 1000kcals at times with no problem, although she can eat 1500. My apologies for speaking too quickly guys.
The best thing to do is to see an endocrinologist and evaluate all your blood work things like thyroid, estrogen, cortisol being the most important. This is especially important if you’ve had an eating disorder. I myself have been very overweight in the past and then lost a lot of weight quite quickly through too much exercise and not eating enough, and this can really mess up your hormones/metabolism.
Also i’m hypothyroid myself which slows down my metabolism and need to take thyroid medication for life. See a doctor about this and tell him/her what’s going on exactly because no one should be gaining weight on 1000cals a day.
Re-evaluate your diet also and add resistance training to build muscle.
Go visit the PROTEIN POWER website run by Dr and (Mrs) Dr Eades.
Although the Eades recommend exercise, most of the people who follow that plan (and Atkins) DO NOT exercise.
I’ve had many running gun battles with folks on that site and am convinced that the obesity problem in America isn’t caused by too many carbs or fats . . . it’s caused by a hatred of MOTION.
There are people out there who are decidedly AGAINST exercise and look to eating as their #1 tool of control.
Not saying that’s you, but you’ll at least find some folks who approach the problem like you are trying to.
In fairness, there are also many people whose lives don’t permit exercise without getting up early or doing it late at night and it’s such a pain in the ass that controlling eating is a good alternative.
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
Except people burn more than 1000 calories a day. So it doesn’t matter how slow the metabolism is.[/quote]
Listen, my friend who developed anorexia was averaging 200-300 calories a day and her weight stabilized around 85 pounds for awhile.
[quote] Zagman wrote:
Andersons, you are right, I was thinking about the wrong article. This one is the one I was thinking about, but it doesn’t cover how to fix the problem that well.
I apologize for not double checking that I had the right article.[/quote]
Cool, that is the one I was referencing in my previous post.
Personally, if this were me, I would consult with Scott Abel.
The priority of ED professionals in my (limited) experience is to get the patient to gain weight. The dietician for my friends prescribed a MRP consisting mainly of high fructose corn syrup, maltodextrin, and sunflower oil kind of junk.
They do not care about fat gain. I actually agree with this to some degree, but I believe that in the long run that patient will be better off ALSO restoring the muscle mass they have lost. And gaining some more, for that matter. The ED professionals do not care about restoring muscle. But the Minnesota experiment shows that after starvation, the body restores fat first, and maybe never completely restores muscle. And in the long run, muscle mass is important for healthy body comp, especially as one gets older. This is where I’d really like to hear from someone like Scott Abel who knows and cares about muscle mass.
However, in the absence of his followup article, my best guess would be that diets used here for the goal of gaining muscle, like CT’s, Berardi’s, or Jen Heath’s, would be good. Supplements to support and restore hormones would be useful, as well as drugs if prescribed by an doctor. (However, for my friend, doctors view everything, such as low thyroid, as being caused by the weight loss and fixed by gaining weight, not by exogenous thyroid hormone.) I recommend fish oil because the literature and real-world experience supports that it makes muscle more insulin sensitive while making fat less insulin sensitive. Plus a host of other health benefits.
[quote]warsoe wrote:
OMG great articles!
@andersons - I do not weight train (i got to this forum through one of my friends who does - actually his user I’m on). A minor question: What is BCAA (I know it’s an amino acid) and which foods contain it?
Last, I really appreciate your answers because we don’t have anyone who know much about this in Denmark. [/quote]
warsoe, I recommend weight training to rebuild lean body mass (LBM – this includes bone density as well as muscle, which are both lost during severe calorie restriction ED).
Also I am still confused about what you actually weigh. However, I feel pretty safe saying that you must change your mindset about the number on the scale to one of BIGGER IS BETTER. A lot of different therapy strategies try to help people with ED get to that mindset. Do not try to lose weight. Try to rebuild a healthy metabolism as well as your body by eating more and more healthy foods.
[quote]andersons wrote:
Zagman wrote:
Andersons, you are right, I was thinking about the wrong article. This one is the one I was thinking about, but it doesn’t cover how to fix the problem that well.
I apologize for not double checking that I had the right article.
Cool, that is the one I was referencing in my previous post.
Personally, if this were me, I would consult with Scott Abel.
The priority of ED professionals in my (limited) experience is to get the patient to gain weight. The dietician for my friends prescribed a MRP consisting mainly of high fructose corn syrup, maltodextrin, and sunflower oil kind of junk.
They do not care about fat gain. I actually agree with this to some degree, but I believe that in the long run that patient will be better off ALSO restoring the muscle mass they have lost. And gaining some more, for that matter. The ED professionals do not care about restoring muscle. But the Minnesota experiment shows that after starvation, the body restores fat first, and maybe never completely restores muscle. And in the long run, muscle mass is important for healthy body comp, especially as one gets older. This is where I’d really like to hear from someone like Scott Abel who knows and cares about muscle mass.
However, in the absence of his followup article, my best guess would be that diets used here for the goal of gaining muscle, like CT’s, Berardi’s, or Jen Heath’s, would be good. Supplements to support and restore hormones would be useful, as well as drugs if prescribed by an doctor. (However, for my friend, doctors view everything, such as low thyroid, as being caused by the weight loss and fixed by gaining weight, not by exogenous thyroid hormone.) I recommend fish oil because the literature and real-world experience supports that it makes muscle more insulin sensitive while making fat less insulin sensitive. Plus a host of other health benefits.
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Andersons you are absolutely right, I just had to throw out the ethical portion of it, practice for the next couple of years when it will be a big no-no for me to give advice to clinical patients. Granted the solution is going to be a focus on weight gain, but I feel that this should be supervised by a medical professional. Regaining/gaining muscle mass would be a great step in the right direction, but this needs to be taken one step at a time.
Your friend was at 200-300 kcals a day and her weight normalized? That is a testament to the human body, wow. I take it that it turned out for the better…
Some good advice from the last couple of posts.
I dont know much about ED’s as thats not my area of expertise, but I think its always a problem when people are emotionally affected by eating. Eating is the second most important natural law of survival, next to reproduction.
If you can get to where you have no emotinal connection to eating and instead see it as a means of survival, just like drinking water or sleeping, you will be better off in the long run.
Good luck.
[quote]dankid wrote:
Some good advice from the last couple of posts.
I dont know much about ED’s as thats not my area of expertise, but I think its always a problem when people are emotionally affected by eating. Eating is the second most important natural law of survival, next to reproduction.
If you can get to where you have no emotinal connection to eating and instead see it as a means of survival, just like drinking water or sleeping, you will be better off in the long run.
Good luck.[/quote]
Not that I want to start this discussion- but wouldn’t eating be the most important natural law with reproduction second? How can you reproduce if you aren’t eating and you die?
[quote]dankid wrote:
Some good advice from the last couple of posts.
I dont know much about ED’s as thats not my area of expertise, but I think its always a problem when people are emotionally affected by eating. Eating is the second most important natural law of survival, next to reproduction.
If you can get to where you have no emotinal connection to eating and instead see it as a means of survival, just like drinking water or sleeping, you will be better off in the long run.
Good luck.[/quote]
This is true for people who sit in front of the tv and down bags of doritos with their gut hanging out or emotional eaters who eat due to stress or boredom, but for someone who’s had an eating disorder and is trying to normalize their eating habits/behaviors i think this comment does more harm than good.
A stupid comment to say the least.