Ha - all the old threads are surfacing lately…
There’s so much horseshit flying in this thread, it’s not even remotely funny. Obviously, self-imposed limitations do not advance ones cause.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Ha - all the old threads are surfacing lately…
There’s so much horseshit flying in this thread, it’s not even remotely funny. Obviously, self-imposed limitations do not advance ones cause.
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It’s funny, because usually limitations imposed by outside sources are usually followed by the person(s) smashing through those limitations…
/hijack
THIS is a topic that has been discussed ad nauseum.
Look, some limitations are realistic.
Joe Smith at 5’2’’ will not be 300 lbs.
He probably doesn’t have the willpower to get to 4% body fat, and shouldn’t bother.
You can’t gain 10 lbs of unadulterated, fat-free muscle mass in a week, no matter how good your diet is or how much muscle memory you’ve collected.
Those kind of limitation are called “sanity checks.”
The others are “barriers of entry.”
1 lb /week.
10 lbs /year.
Blah blah blah…
People say it as if its an excuse not to succeed. People say it despite COUNTLESS examples of REAL people who achieve results far better than this. My big 3 combine is over 1000, which I would not consider to be a beginner, but I’m still making “beginner” gains.
Better than beginner gains.
I’m consistently adding 2 lbs per week, and between now and last June, I have added 50 lbs…and cut 20…all in all netted about 27.5 lbs of lean mass.
In…10 months. And I have a log to prove it.
BUT, I busted my fucking balls off. I’ve never worked so hard physically. I’ve never been SO meticulous with my nutrition, to the point where I will stay up an extra 1/2 hr at night just to eat another 800 calories so I can meet my daily nutritional goals. And I’ll change my caloric goals every week, as I add/subtract weight, to make sure I’m progressing.
Above average results from above average effort. And I’m not a genetic gift, and I’m not that atypical. I also have a long way to go, and I’m DEFINITELY not saying that my physique is impressive or noteworthy. And maybe then I’ll start to hit a wall eventually. Everyone does have a theoretical maximum.
I just work hard – and really that’s why I shared my story – not to boast, but to SHOW that a normal human being, who isn’t Ronnie Coleman or Dexter Jackson – can do FAR BETTER than this dogmatic B.S.
If you work hard, you can throw all of the these limitations out the window. Or you can use them as the crutch for your endless excuses as to why you aren’t looking/lifting the way you want to.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
painjoe wrote:
If you want to be fatter at the end of the year,then yes.
Thib says a 1-2 LB gain a month is good if carb cycling correctly.
Search for his CARB CYCLING CODEX article. Good info.
I can’t stand this.
If someone is a beginner using that guideline, they will hold themselves back, especially if they have above average genetics.
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Agreed.
Why would you ever hold yourself back b/c of what someone else told you was ideal. Plus what is “good”. Good to you may mean “shit” to me.
Frankly if you are only gaining one pound a month, i think that is shit. I respect Thib, and think he has done some good work and is a very good contributer to this website. However, his crack at gaining weight during the physique clinic was rather lack luster in my opinion. Im not trying to turn this into a pissing match about coaches or internet gurus. But if i was trying to gain weight I would search out coaches who, i consider to have a very good track record with helping clients gain muscle mass. Dante/Skip and intensemuscle.com and Shelby Starnes and Justin Harris from elitefts and Troponin Nutrition. Take a look at what these guys are doing. Also as far as the weight training goes: Think CONSTANT progression. I look into 5x5, Jim Wendlers 5/3/1 or even DC training (or its framework)
52 lbs in one year is not a pie in the sky dream, I think it is attainable if you are smart with your training and nutrition and work your ass off. Calorie surplus + continual progress in the weight room, every session.
[quote]j62usa wrote:
However, his crack at gaining weight during the physique clinic was rather lack luster in my opinion.[/quote]
?
Didn’t Crewpierce put on 15 - 20 during that period with little fat gain in the 3 month (or so) period?
Anyhow, Amit Sapir might disagree with your assessment of Thibs. Amit credits him with taking from about 145 pounds four years ago to 200+ at 6% as of his “10 Weeks Out” thread.
Now, I find CT’s dieting/pre-contest stuff to be more to my liking that his mass building stuff, but let’s be serious. The guy has produced results, not only with his clients but with himself, as well.
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
you can only gain 10 lbs a year, and after your 3rd year you can only gain 2 pounds. you can quote me on that.
I’ve put on 40lbs with barely any noticable fat gain in 16 months. all compound lifts up around 100lbs. Keep your limitations to yourself.[/quote]
You missed the sarcasm.
[quote]anonym wrote:
j62usa wrote:
However, his crack at gaining weight during the physique clinic was rather lack luster in my opinion.
?
Didn’t Crewpierce put on 15 - 20 during that period with little fat gain in the 3 month (or so) period?
Anyhow, Amit Sapir might disagree with your assessment of Thibs. Amit credits him with taking from about 145 pounds four years ago to 200+ at 6% as of his “10 Weeks Out” thread.
Now, I find CT’s dieting/pre-contest stuff to be more to my liking that his mass building stuff, but let’s be serious. The guy has produced results, not only with his clients but with himself, as well.[/quote]
I didnt think it was that much for crewpierce, if it was however than I agree that was impressive. I suppose I was commenting on the 1-2lb gain a month which would account for 3-6 lbs in 3 months.
Seeing how the OP hasn’t posted once since the original message back in October, I’m guessing he is halfway to his goal of 52 pounds now, and working too hard to bother with message boards any more.
okay guys, its time to eat big, lift big and then be big.
get to it!!!
When I was 15 I put on 50 pounds in 3 months (195 to 245), 30 of which came in the first month. No clue how much was fat, but I also dropped a tenth on my 40 (down to a 4.9) and added 50 pounds to my bench (I think also 195 to 245).
That was a combo of being a big kid, never lifting before, and plain puberty.
[quote]j62usa wrote:
anonym wrote:
j62usa wrote:
However, his crack at gaining weight during the physique clinic was rather lack luster in my opinion.
?
Didn’t Crewpierce put on 15 - 20 during that period with little fat gain in the 3 month (or so) period?
Anyhow, Amit Sapir might disagree with your assessment of Thibs. Amit credits him with taking from about 145 pounds four years ago to 200+ at 6% as of his “10 Weeks Out” thread.
Now, I find CT’s dieting/pre-contest stuff to be more to my liking that his mass building stuff, but let’s be serious. The guy has produced results, not only with his clients but with himself, as well.
I didnt think it was that much for crewpierce, if it was however than I agree that was impressive. I suppose I was commenting on the 1-2lb gain a month which would account for 3-6 lbs in 3 months.
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Or 120 lbs in 10 years, which would put the average person to about 270lbs of pure muscle 3% bodyfat contest condition…hmmmmm sounds like how long the average bodybuilder spent building his frame before competing professionally.
Bodybuilding requires vision
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
j62usa wrote:
anonym wrote:
j62usa wrote:
However, his crack at gaining weight during the physique clinic was rather lack luster in my opinion.
?
Didn’t Crewpierce put on 15 - 20 during that period with little fat gain in the 3 month (or so) period?
Anyhow, Amit Sapir might disagree with your assessment of Thibs. Amit credits him with taking from about 145 pounds four years ago to 200+ at 6% as of his “10 Weeks Out” thread.
Now, I find CT’s dieting/pre-contest stuff to be more to my liking that his mass building stuff, but let’s be serious. The guy has produced results, not only with his clients but with himself, as well.
I didnt think it was that much for crewpierce, if it was however than I agree that was impressive. I suppose I was commenting on the 1-2lb gain a month which would account for 3-6 lbs in 3 months.
Or 120 lbs in 10 years, which would put the average person to about 270lbs of pure muscle 3% bodyfat contest condition…hmmmmm sounds like how long the average bodybuilder spent building his frame before competing professionally.
Bodybuilding requires vision
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Not one 270 lb, 3% body fat, average height bodybuilder is natural though…
[quote]DJS wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
j62usa wrote:
anonym wrote:
j62usa wrote:
However, his crack at gaining weight during the physique clinic was rather lack luster in my opinion.
?
Didn’t Crewpierce put on 15 - 20 during that period with little fat gain in the 3 month (or so) period?
Anyhow, Amit Sapir might disagree with your assessment of Thibs. Amit credits him with taking from about 145 pounds four years ago to 200+ at 6% as of his “10 Weeks Out” thread.
Now, I find CT’s dieting/pre-contest stuff to be more to my liking that his mass building stuff, but let’s be serious. The guy has produced results, not only with his clients but with himself, as well.
I didnt think it was that much for crewpierce, if it was however than I agree that was impressive. I suppose I was commenting on the 1-2lb gain a month which would account for 3-6 lbs in 3 months.
Or 120 lbs in 10 years, which would put the average person to about 270lbs of pure muscle 3% bodyfat contest condition…hmmmmm sounds like how long the average bodybuilder spent building his frame before competing professionally. [/quote] Oh really? Quite a few of them started competing as skinny natties… [quote]
Bodybuilding requires vision
Not one 270 lb, 3% body fat, average height bodybuilder is natural though… [/quote]
And not one of them gained their mass in a linear fashion, 12 lbs per year.
A regular person weighing 120-170 can be up to 200 or slightly above with decent bf levels within a year… It’s the part that comes afterwards that’s difficult.
And it’s obviously a lot more difficult/slow if you compete once or several times a year.