If you stop at week 8 or 10, you could probably do a straight SERM PCT. Didn’t you also have some hCG? You could take a look at using hCG in the last few weeks of the cycle then hit a 4 week SERM @ 40/40/20/20.
Sounds like a plan…
Ok, so here’s the revised plan.
W1-10 Test E 250mg E3D
W1-12 Adex .25mg EOD
W9-12 HcG 250iu EOD (shot 500iu the first shot)
W13-16 Adex Tapered down to nothing
W13-14 Nolva 40mg ED
W15-16 Nolva 20mg ED
Finished on the 13th may.
Updates:
Weight has stayed the same for the last couple of weeks but i’m getting stronger and have included cardio.
Deadlifted 160kg Last Week.
The hCG during your waiting weeks (11 & 12) might be inhibitory and impede your PCT. I believe hCG should stop when test e stops. Others may chime in…
I’m glad your first cycle worked out well.
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
The hCG during your waiting weeks (11 & 12) might be inhibitory and impede your PCT. I believe hCG should stop when test e stops. Others may chime in…
I’m glad your first cycle worked out well.[/quote]
Are you sure?
Furious George has it 2 weeks after the test E in his newbie sticky!
Not 100% sure. If you look at the test taper sticky, it says the following:
"So to put it all together using testosterone enanthatate dose split into biweekly injections:
Cycle ends, stop hcg if using,
start Waiting peroid:
Week 1-6 or 1-4: Test E 100mg per week
Taper off Arimidex or femara fully by week 3
Taper phase:
week 1-6
mg/ week: 80mg / 60mg/ 50mg/ 40mg/ 30 mg/ 20mg.
Start your Serm (nolva or clomid) at the begining of the taper if you choose to do so."
Yeah but i dont believe that applies to the serm pct. Hopefully someone will chime in with another view!
[quote]Cortes wrote:
In my personal experience as a business owner, sleep is a do what you can with what you’ve got sort of situation. I do what I can and make good gains. As long as all other factors remain optimal, you will still make good gains, too.
That said, I still think you probably shouldn’t yet be starting a cycle. And as it is obvious that, as I predicted, you are, I probably will not be posting in this thread all that much beyond this thread.
Regardless, good luck to you.[/quote]
Man I agree with Cortes, plus I dont even think that the adex and hcg is really necessary unless you are proned to bad side effects (gyno). I get a bad reaction from adex and it makes me feel crazy and makes my skin break out really bad.
I would just keep Nolva on hand and if you see any changes with your nips, then take it. Also run a clomid/nolva PCT and you should be fine. I was aboout your size when I did my first cycle of test/equipoise and didnt get much out of it honestly and once my cycle was over I lost most of my gains.
Not as much as I thought I would anyways, I also got a shitload stronger really fast and went balls out on bench near the end of my cycle and f’d up my shoulder for about 3 months. You live and learn.
Dont get your hopes up and be careful training because if you are not maxed out genetically you run a high risk of injury if you dont know what you are doing imo. Good luck to you if you go ahead with it.
Good point about injury. When you can suddenly handle weights 150% heavier than a month or two earlier, care is definitely warranted. It’s a case of “be forewarned” or lose the ability to train and maintain gains.
Yes very true, i believe it was BBB who said in an old thread to add in intensity techniques like drop sets, rest-pause, negatives etc when on-cycle, instead of going too heavy too quick.
Good advice. Unfortunately we have a hard time resisting going heavy because it feels so good to suddenly be able to. That’s where discipline and common sense must come in.
I totally agree, I went heavy on all my compound lifts just because i could, i ended up tweaking an old shoulder injury but luckily it wasn’t a bad injury.
One thing i’ll take out of this is not to over listen to hype. After 8 weeks on test E, not frontloaded i had made great gains, Before my cycle i had believed 12 weeks was the minimum for Test E.
If my serm pct goes ok, next cycle will be 8 weeks Test E frontloaded maybe with some Dbol.
And if anyone asks me for advise on a first cycle i’ll say 8 weeks Test Eth!
Ok, i have 4 days Left of Test E. Then 2 more weeks hcg and then 4 weeks nolva.
After the Test is finished should i just keep training as i have been or should i reduce the workload? i’m pyramiding my compound lifts at the moment, thats working well.
I’m working out probably an hour and a half every time so i’ll try keep it to 60 or 70 mins max from now on.
I’ll post up my results soon and final thoughts for those who are following the thread.
Do not use HcG post cycle, you were suppose to use it during the cycle to retain testicular size and function.
Post cycle, listen to your body, if you are too sore, take the day off. More important is your diet during this time.
[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
Do not use HcG post cycle, you were suppose to use it during the cycle to retain testicular size and function.
Post cycle, listen to your body, if you are too sore, take the day off. More important is your diet during this time.[/quote]
Is week 11 and 12 post cycle?
Week 1-10 Test E
Week 13-16 Nolva
Should i stop hcg at week 10 or 12?
I was planning to run it until week 12 because the test will be supressing me for 2 weeks after the last shot…
Wait, have you been administering HcG the whole time? Perhaps I misunderstood. I thought you meant that you were going to START post cycle, which would be wrong.
If you have been using it the whole time, I would stop week 10 or 11, giving time to regain some sensitivity.
I know it has been mentioned that HCG has a negative effect on LH & FSH post cycle when these elements are needed for recovery. I am just not sure about the waiting weeks? egnatiosj could probably expand.
While we are at it, I am curious if it would be a good idea to use it (HCG) for the last week of my 6 weeks test e cycle and the two waiting weeks before I start a toremifen PCT. I also plan to be using dbol for those 3 weeks (wks 6-8) so I will be shut down during that period anyway while the test e clears from my system. I plan to start PCT on Wk9.
[quote]egnatiosj wrote:
Wait, have you been administering HcG the whole time? Perhaps I misunderstood. I thought you meant that you were going to START post cycle, which would be wrong.
If you have been using it the whole time, I would stop week 10 or 11, giving time to regain some sensitivity. [/quote]
My bad egnatiosj, i wasn’t clear, i started hcg in week 8.
In furious georges thread he said to run it 2 weeks after the test E. So thats what i was planning.
Pretty sure the whole point in the blue dot on Schering amps is to indicate where the score mark is on the neck. Then again haven’t used them for years so maybe I’m remembering it all wrong 
SoreButtCheeks
[quote]SoreButtCheeks wrote:
Pretty sure the whole point in the blue dot on Schering amps is to indicate where the score mark is on the neck. Then again haven’t used them for years so maybe I’m remembering it all wrong
SoreButtCheeks[/quote]
Absolutely correct (same on most amps actually) and that is the point where you would snap the head of the amp away from.
BTW - Sorebuttcheeks? Unfortunate name??!
Brook