[quote]rainjack wrote:
Malevolence wrote:
Well, that’s just a dumb point to make. First off, it’s not even true. As long as there is money in it, there is no need to move in a new direction.
I think that’s all you ever had to say. You are looking at the money side of the industry. I am talking about the artistic side - the side that should matter to the artists themselves - not the marketing execs. You should have stated from the get go that you are not in it for that art, but for the money.
Secondly, it’s not true, as long as people still enjoy it, there is no need to move in a new direction.
Once again - you are talking about commercialism. I am talking about the artistic side. Apples and oranges.
Thirdly, the term ‘pop music’ refers to music in all genres. What you are claiming ‘infests’ every genre, is nothing more than pop marketability.
What the fuck is it with you and pop music? You are wrong. No one has ever called country pop music as a descriptor for the genre. A genre can become more mainstream - but your assertion that it’s all pop music is just dumb.
Now, today, is an interesting time, because more so than ever, we’re getting ‘cookie cutter’ artists(following the traditional model of that that means) that actually have talent and original production, and are making some great music.
That wouldn’t have a thing to do with the proliferation of internet airplay/internet exposure as opposed to the old recording company way of doing things, would it? You have already exempted yourself from any type of artistic discussion since, in your opinion, it’s all about the money anyhow.
As far as ‘cookie cutter bands’ are concerned, again, it is about marketability, it has nothing to do with saturation. The buying masses decide whether or not they are going to spend money, it has very little to do with originality, in any genre(the term for this, in case you still don’t get it, is ‘pop music’)
As I said earlier - you are about the money. Nothing wrong with that as everyone is about the money to some degree. You just need to keep focusing on the money - and equaling the quality of music with the size of the bank account.
Lastly, You seem to be really angry about this, are you alright?
You must be a noob. All I asked is who the fuck are you? Why do I sound angry? because I use the ‘F’ word? Or because I think you are a flaming idiot?
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Saturation doesn’t force new music. Even from an ‘artistic’ angle. How many songs have been written using the exact same chord changes? rhythmic feel, melodic ideas even? thousands, every year. It has nothing to do with how many of those songs already exist. An artist creates what they want to create, marketability and originality be damned. They are not requisites to making art or music.
Nothing forces an artist to make something new and different.
But aside from that, why would you be talking about cookie cutter bands if you were trying to talk about ‘art’? Cookie cutter bands are a byproduct of the industry, which is why I mentioned money and the industry as being tied in with cookie cutter bands, one-hit wonders, and pop music.
When you try and make a point that the industry is over-saturated with cookie cutter bands, you are not talking about art. Bands that make music solely for their art will exist regardless, they are completely independent of what the mainstream is doing. Sometimes the mainstream converges with them, and sometimes it diverges, but they keep on doing what they are doing regardless.
People making music without any commercial sense is nothing new, they would be doing their thing even if the market(or more specifically their genre) wasn’t saturated with cookie-cutter pop singles.
Also, Country music is just as much pop as anything else can be, I have heard it referred to as such. Which is not to say all country music is pop. Every genre can be ‘pop music’.
Your assumption that I am ‘in it for the money’ is incorrect. But when you bring up things like cookie-cutter bands and one hit wonders, you are talking about the music business. Artists don’t give a fuck what is going on in the music business.(which is not to say that is a requirement to being an artist or anything, just that it doesn’t necessarily affect them)
