Future Music

Cthulhu · April 25, 2007, 8:23pm

Personally, I think rock and metal music has made a huge comeback and that seems what people are shifting more towards now days. The whole emo music scene is pretty popular too, but I can’t stand that kind of music.

I’ve been hearing a lot of bands mixing metal with folk/acoustic music, like agalloch, which I think is brilliant. Agalloch are probably one of my favorite bands right now.

Then there are a few bands that are mixing metal/rock music with more experimental music. I think it’s a repeat of the early 80’s before all the great bands came out, music was kind of dead. I think something is just waiting to bust onto the music scene; when it does, it will be huge.

dollarbill44 · April 25, 2007, 8:24pm

I hear Laurie Berkner is coming out with a new CD. She’s about all I hear nowadays.

DB

Chris_Jayne · April 25, 2007, 8:45pm

Ulver ‘It is not sound’

Isis 'In Fiction

Porcupine Tree ’ Fear of a Blank Planet’

djoh615893 · April 25, 2007, 9:10pm

A few pages back someone was saying that they aren’t a fan of the female fronted bands. Get out you pens and paper. There are some out there that I listen to in the gym to get fired up.

Arch Enemy- a lot of people I know that it’s a guy at the mic. When I tell them it’s a woman, I usually have to show the videos to prove it. Hardcore and LOUD tunes. From Sweden

Nightwish- Music doesn’t get much classier than this. Tarja sings on a level with Sarah Brightman… she sings her ass off. The concert clips are the best, and she’s even hotter that Angela from Arch Enemy… Angela is built for porn. From Finland

Leaves’ Eyes/Liv Kristina- She too is hot as hell, and she keeps getting better over the years, and still hotter. She sings with shitloads of emotion. Check out Legend Land. It’s the newest album, and the title track should be a quick sell. From Norway/Germany.

Within Temptation- From The Netherlands. Damn good artist. They have a song called Running Up That Hill, which so far is one of their best in my opinion.

Lacuna Coil- Brought eroticism into the picture with her body. Ever see the video for Our Truth, or Heaven’s a Lie? Holy hell!! She sings her ass off too. I’d fucking marry her. From Italy

All of these artists have videos on Google. Check them out. The albums are on Amazon most of the time. I had to order the Nightwish- End of an Era CD from Germany. No shit! Not a single person in the U.S. was selling a copy. Nightwish fired their singer in 2005 for being a stingy bitch. It’s too bad. She was a badass singer. They have already lined up a new singer but made no announcement on who it is. I guess they want to release a new album first.

I’m sure most of you already know of Evanescence. No point on pitching that band. Awesome chick singing for them too. And she’s so hot!

Don’t discount the hottie girls singing for the rock/metal bands. They are kicking some ass and giving real credit to the rock scene.

rainjack · April 25, 2007, 9:15pm

[quote]Malevolence wrote:
rainjack wrote:
I think every genre in every decade has a period of one hit wonders. I know the 90’s had it, as did the 80’s and the 70’s.

To me, that’s a sign that the music industry gods have found what people like, and mass produce the shit out of it. It’s a good sign that the the genre in question is in dire need of something new.

Huh? [/quote]

Did I use too many big words? What has you stumped?

swivel · April 25, 2007, 11:01pm

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Malevolence wrote:
rainjack wrote:
I think every genre in every decade has a period of one hit wonders. I know the 90’s had it, as did the 80’s and the 70’s.

To me, that’s a sign that the music industry gods have found what people like, and mass produce the shit out of it. It’s a good sign that the the genre in question is in dire need of something new.

Huh?

Did I use too many big words? What has you stumped? [/quote]

you used to be able to make money on singles. A LOT of money. i think that market is dead now for all genres.

Malevolence · April 25, 2007, 11:14pm

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Malevolence wrote:
rainjack wrote:
I think every genre in every decade has a period of one hit wonders. I know the 90’s had it, as did the 80’s and the 70’s.

To me, that’s a sign that the music industry gods have found what people like, and mass produce the shit out of it. It’s a good sign that the the genre in question is in dire need of something new.

Huh?

Did I use too many big words? What has you stumped? [/quote]

I’m just wondering why you bothered writing any of that. You didn’t really say anything of value, and you didn’t really have much of a point. (you also didn’t use any big words)

One-hit wonders always exist, most bands are known only for a couple of hits, even some of the biggest, best regarded bands of all time, are still only really known for a couple of hits by the majority of listeners.

Pop music does not define any genre, Pop is its own genre and it is not a genre at all. The one commonality of pop music is that the people making it, are making it for people to listen to, to enjoy, dance to, sing along with…etc.

But that is all very obvious. So I don’t know why you would bother talking about it.

Malevolence · April 25, 2007, 11:20pm

[quote]swivel wrote:
you used to be able to make money on singles. A LOT of money. i think that market is dead now for all genres.[/quote]

Not really. The difference between now and ‘then’ is that the labels have figured out how to maximize their profits and minimize the profits of their signed artists.

Once upon a time, record sales were the primary driver of wealth for both artists and labels. Today, Record sales almost exclusively serve to bring profit to the label, while the artist ends up with little more than what they started with. The real money for artists comes from touring aggressively, but playing shows still doesn’t bring in that much money, they are just a draw for the REAL cash cow, which is merchandise.

With T-shirts and stickers and posters, bands receive a very high profit margin, they are also often in more direct control of the merchandising sales.

Almost all of the richest artists today got their fortunes from branching out into management areas. Becoming producers, starting their own sub-labels, investing in companies(trent reznor owns a T-shirt company that is responsible for the bulk of his income).

These days it has become more and more popular for Musicians to do cross-overs into film. Soundtracks, voice acting, acting, cameos…etc.

They don’t call it the music BUSINESS for nothing.

detazathoth · April 26, 2007, 12:07am

[quote]Chris Jayne wrote:
Ulver ‘It is not sound’

Isis 'In Fiction

Porcupine Tree ’ Fear of a Blank Planet’

[/quote]

OMG, you know good music!

detazathoth · April 26, 2007, 12:08am

My sn is a reference to the Black Metal band Emperor, and my avator is a Nevermore album. Both are amazing bands.

rainjack · April 26, 2007, 12:23am

[quote]Malevolence wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Malevolence wrote:
rainjack wrote:
I think every genre in every decade has a period of one hit wonders. I know the 90’s had it, as did the 80’s and the 70’s.

To me, that’s a sign that the music industry gods have found what people like, and mass produce the shit out of it. It’s a good sign that the the genre in question is in dire need of something new.

Huh?

Did I use too many big words? What has you stumped?

I’m just wondering why you bothered writing any of that. You didn’t really say anything of value, and you didn’t really have much of a point. (you also didn’t use any big words)

One-hit wonders always exist, most bands are known only for a couple of hits, even some of the biggest, best regarded bands of all time, are still only really known for a couple of hits by the majority of listeners.

Pop music does not define any genre, Pop is its own genre and it is not a genre at all. The one commonality of pop music is that the people making it, are making it for people to listen to, to enjoy, dance to, sing along with…etc.

But that is all very obvious. So I don’t know why you would bother talking about it.[/quote]

What in the holy fuck are you talking about?

Cookie cutter bands infest every genre from rap, to metal, to rock, to top 40.

No one said a fucking thing about pop - at least not in my post.

I will restate in simpler terms so that you might be able to grasp this very simple concept: When a given sound, a given rhythm, a given vocal style gets too popular - as evidenced by how many people copy it - it is time to move in a new direction.

I hope that is simple enough for you to understand. I can’t dumb it down any further.

ANd just to satisfy my burning curiosity - Who the fuck are you?

Malevolence · April 26, 2007, 3:04am

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Malevolence wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Malevolence wrote:
rainjack wrote:
I think every genre in every decade has a period of one hit wonders. I know the 90’s had it, as did the 80’s and the 70’s.

To me, that’s a sign that the music industry gods have found what people like, and mass produce the shit out of it. It’s a good sign that the the genre in question is in dire need of something new.

Huh?

Did I use too many big words? What has you stumped?

I’m just wondering why you bothered writing any of that. You didn’t really say anything of value, and you didn’t really have much of a point. (you also didn’t use any big words)

One-hit wonders always exist, most bands are known only for a couple of hits, even some of the biggest, best regarded bands of all time, are still only really known for a couple of hits by the majority of listeners.

Pop music does not define any genre, Pop is its own genre and it is not a genre at all. The one commonality of pop music is that the people making it, are making it for people to listen to, to enjoy, dance to, sing along with…etc.

But that is all very obvious. So I don’t know why you would bother talking about it.

What in the holy fuck are you talking about?

Cookie cutter bands infest every genre from rap, to metal, to rock, to top 40.

No one said a fucking thing about pop - at least not in my post.

I will restate in simpler terms so that you might be able to grasp this very simple concept: When a given sound, a given rhythm, a given vocal style gets too popular - as evidenced by how many people copy it - it is time to move in a new direction.

I hope that is simple enough for you to understand. I can’t dumb it down any further.

ANd just to satisfy my burning curiosity - Who the fuck are you?
[/quote]

Well, that’s just a dumb point to make. First off, it’s not even true. As long as there is money in it, there is no need to move in a new direction.

Secondly, it’s not true, as long as people still enjoy it, there is no need to move in a new direction.

Thirdly, the term ‘pop music’ refers to music in all genres. What you are claiming ‘infests’ every genre, is nothing more than pop marketability.

Now, today, is an interesting time, because more so than ever, we’re getting ‘cookie cutter’ artists(following the traditional model of that that means) that actually have talent and original production, and are making some great music.

As far as ‘cookie cutter bands’ are concerned, again, it is about marketability, it has nothing to do with saturation. The buying masses decide whether or not they are going to spend money, it has very little to do with originality, in any genre(the term for this, in case you still don’t get it, is ‘pop music’)

Lastly, You seem to be really angry about this, are you alright?

swivel · April 26, 2007, 4:13am

[quote]Malevolence wrote:
swivel wrote:
you used to be able to make money on singles. A LOT of money. i think that market is dead now for all genres.

Not really. The difference between now and ‘then’ is that the labels have figured out how to maximize their profits and minimize the profits of their signed artists. [/quote]

??? you think record labels have their business dialed in and are making money ??? [quote]

Once upon a time, record sales were the primary driver of wealth for both artists and labels…

[/quote]

yes and the primary driver of the album sales was the hit single. or better yet several hit single releases throughout the year. no singles = no airplay = no crossover = no mainstream sales = no world tour = no millions for everybody from management to merch vendor. [quote]

Almost all of the richest artists today got their fortunes from branching out into management areas. Becoming producers, starting their own sub-labels, investing in companies(trent reznor owns a T-shirt company that is responsible for the bulk of his income).[/quote]

yes but those fortunes are still product of the old marketplace which was built on singles. it’s also no coincidence that these old acts are also still the ONLY acts that can consistently draw enough ticket sales to fill arenas. those old bands were able to release SINGLES into a mainstream.

this is why the acts of today like justin timberlake etc cannot even sell half the tickets of dinosaur acts like the eagles, the stones the police, etc. and i’m not talking about “back in the day” i’m talking about sales today.

today record companies have destroyed their own market and any cd sales they do have are from niche markets, from core fans but there is no crossover and no mainstream sales. there are no singles that reach EVERYONE anymore and so EVERYone does not go out looking to by the album. not even as a gift for someone else. cd sales have dropped through the floor !

Malevolence · April 26, 2007, 5:08am

[quote]swivel wrote:
Malevolence wrote:
swivel wrote:
you used to be able to make money on singles. A LOT of money. i think that market is dead now for all genres.

Not really. The difference between now and ‘then’ is that the labels have figured out how to maximize their profits and minimize the profits of their signed artists.

??? you think record labels have their business dialed in and are making money ???

Once upon a time, record sales were the primary driver of wealth for both artists and labels…

yes and the primary driver of the album sales was the hit single. or better yet several hit single releases throughout the year. no singles = no airplay = no crossover = no mainstream sales = no world tour = no millions for everybody from management to merch vendor.

Almost all of the richest artists today got their fortunes from branching out into management areas. Becoming producers, starting their own sub-labels, investing in companies(trent reznor owns a T-shirt company that is responsible for the bulk of his income).

yes but those fortunes are still product of the old marketplace which was built on singles. it’s also no coincidence that these old acts are also still the ONLY acts that can consistently draw enough ticket sales to fill arenas. those old bands were able to release SINGLES into a mainstream.

this is why the acts of today like justin timberlake etc cannot even sell half the tickets of dinosaur acts like the eagles, the stones the police, etc. and i’m not talking about “back in the day” i’m talking about sales today.

today record companies have destroyed their own market and any cd sales they do have are from niche markets, from core fans but there is no crossover and no mainstream sales. there are no singles that reach EVERYONE anymore and so EVERYone does not go out looking to by the album. not even as a gift for someone else. cd sales have dropped through the floor !
[/quote]

I think you are placing a little too much value in the single. Singles and radio-play have always been pretty closely married. Radio-play is still very instrumental to album sales. Additionally, since iTunes, the single has become more marketable again.

That being said, I do agree, all around, the whole industry has gotten kind of fucked from the inside out. But there is still a ton of money passing through it.

Professor_X · April 26, 2007, 5:08am