ya, i can’t believe I let myself go that bad…I tend to yo-yo a bit but 42" was a new level of “bulking”.
I took the pic because I wanted a before pic for the Velocity diet but the pic looked so bad I deleted it from my computer (pasty white as well cause it was the middle of winter).
very happy with the results but to be honest I am more focused now to try to lose additional weight. If I can drop to a 32" waist and add a bit more size to my chest I’d be at my ideal dimensions.
well my joints are starting to feel like crap and I am down to 233lbs so I think the letro is working. muscles definitely looking flat today, might just be dehydrated so I threw in some extra carbs today. still have the pain and enlarged gland in my left nipple…it’s fucked that it is only the one still. I am giving it till the end of the weekend and if it isn’t gone then I am pulling the plug and dropping to just the 100mg/w enth and stating the stasis. dissapointing but what are you gonna do.
my strength was actually pretty good. down a little from last week but not bad given how shite I felt going to the gym.
IME of letro - you should NOT have gyno pain at 2.5mg.
The blood levels take 2-5 weeks to stabilize with letro, but still… it is doing its job at that dose for sure.
My gyno doesnt have any problem at all on 0.0625-0.125mg!!! that is 20-40x LESS than your dose!
I know that 2.5mg is the dose for reducing gyno, but with a few days of that dose you should DEFINITELY have zero estrogen via aromatase in your system.
So no tenderness at all… (i am not saying the lump should be gone; IIRC that takes a couple weeks according to the literature)
Which suggests a couple of things IMO.
Letro is bunk.
Got a non-aromatase problem.
How is your libido? Letro affects my libido to a degree even at the dosages I use it at, which suggests even at 0.125mg ED i get near total estrogen suppression…
Everyone is different, but they shouldnt be THAT different!! lol
I don’t know…only way to know for sure is get different letro and try it out.
Might not be an estrogen problem but I am not taking anything else right now that should be giving me issues…the tren was cut out long ago. I smoke weed about 3 nights a week…maybe that’s an issue.
not sure what the problem is but this is frustrating as fuck.
so the pain seems to be mostly gone and the lump is def shrinking which is great. I am going to start reducing the letro to just 1.25mg/d.
otherwise things are good. played back to back rugby games over the weekend so I am pretty drained and may not make the gym tonight. rugby is going great (on the cusp of moving up a squad) so I am not looking forward to being “off” again.
gonna drop down to just enth after my final shot of prop today. Plan is to run enth for a few weeks at about 200-300mg/w while the HCG goes to work. As soon as the nuts are back up to normal size then I will start the stasis and taper.
The gyno looks prolactin related from the tren. Since your joints were hurting from the Adex earlier, it probably means your estrogen was in check. Nipple discharge is also indicative of high prolactin.
I’d say definitely pick up some Cabergoline the next time you run a 19-nor. You seem predisposed to both estrogen and prolactin related gyno.
Cutting the tren was a good idea. Letrozole may help somewhat but isn’t very ideal. Do you have quick access to Cabergoline?
i have now dropped the prop and I am just running enth, HCG, and letro. I am in the process of tapering off the letro and am down to 0.25mg/d.
I will be running the enth at 300mg/w for another week or two along with the HCG and then will drop the HCG and drop the enth dose down to 100mg/w for the stasis.
So far I ran the HCG at 100iu EOD for a week which didn’t seem to do much so I bumped it to 100iu ED for a couple of days which seemed to do very little as well so I bumped it again to 200iu ED for the last 4 days and it sure didn’t take long to go to work.
My balls are aching like a mother fucker, looking very big and floopy, my lower back is killing me, and I have a cold (always seems to happen when they shrink or grow) so I am quite sure it’s working.
Personally I don’t know why anyone would ever take a 3000iu shot (let alone a 5000iu shot as some protocols ask for) of HCG when it only took about 4 days of 200iu shots to get it done. I am gonna run it another week or two but I think 1 week is all that’s gonna be needed.
So far physique wise things still look good. I am down to 230-233lbs but I still look about the same as mid cycle.
I have been steadily getting more vascular which is kinda cool (I have had a vein on my left biceps since my first cycle and I can now see the vein on my right biceps as well and my forearms are covered, little bit in the shoulders but not much).
Libido is extremely strong. I was having a bit of difficulty busting before (not during sex, just if clearing the pipes on my own without the aid of porn) but it was likely due to the high dose of letro.
Well I’m starting to deflate a bit from the reduction in the test but I am also dropping still in the midsection so it isn’t all that bad.
I am below a 34" waist for the first time since I was in high school. I honestly didn’t think I was ever gonna acheive that at over 230lbs.
I still have a few inches to lose here and there but will have to work on that another day…from here on out I would like to try to just maintain as much muscle mass as possible so the cals are gonna have to go up a bit. I am going to try to keep it as clean as possible though.
Overall I look about the same as mid cycle…maybe a little less jacked but nothing much to be done about that except another cycle.
As long as PCT goes well I should be able to stay about where I am now and will be in very good shape for my next cycle in the winter. Next one will be a Test/Deca base.
on another note I think I am growing back a bit of hair since dropping the dose of gear…there are a number of shorter hairs visible at the front of my scalp that seem to be coming in under the rest.
I think I am still going to run a few months of finesteride just to be safe.
Better safe than sorry. Of the major sides like hair loss and gyno I’m lucky I didn’t get any. I can deal with the zits I suppose and not complain because someone always has it worse.
So I went to see my doc today…he commented on what great shape I was in (I haven’t seen him in about 5 years). I told him that I had been eating better and drinking less which he congratulated me on and then I told him my little secret…
he was less congratulatory but pretty cool about it…asked me if it shrunk my penis…I laughed and told him no, it shrinks your balls not your penis but they come back afterwards as long as you come off properly.
I explained that I researched them very extensively before starting, that I cycle on and off regularly. He asked why I started to which I answered that I started feeling older, getting more injuries playing rugby, and wanted to get into better overall shape.
He asked how long I stay off for to which I responded 3-6 months depending on how long I feel is needed.
I said I was coming to him because although I can monitor my own BP (which I do with a home tester) I can’t do my own bloodwork to monitor my cholesterol etc…he was cool with it and wrote me up some requisitions.
so now I have 2 requisitions for bloodwork
The first he wanted me to do while still ON cycle for the following:
glucose
TSH
Creatinine
Uric Acid
Sodium
Potasium
Chloride
CK
ALT
Lipids
Urinalysis (chemical)
CBC
FSH
LH
Total Test
Estradiol
Prolactin
The next is for post cycle to see how recovery went:
Free Test
Total Test
Is there anything I should add to these? I was thinking FSH/LH for the second one…
[quote]saps wrote:
Better safe than sorry. Of the major sides like hair loss and gyno I’m lucky I didn’t get any. I can deal with the zits I suppose and not complain because someone always has it worse. [/quote]
the acne isn’t so bad…it’s the hairloss and gyno that is the real problem
[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
saps wrote:
Better safe than sorry. Of the major sides like hair loss and gyno I’m lucky I didn’t get any. I can deal with the zits I suppose and not complain because someone always has it worse.
the acne isn’t so bad…it’s the hairloss and gyno that is the real problem
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That’s kinda my point I got lucky with sides. I’d pick zits of hairloss and/or bitch-tits any day
currently cruising on the 300mg/w test enth and I feel fucking great.
I definitely notice a difference on enth vs prop.
enth for me has more of a feel good and libido aspect where on prop i just mostly get jacked up…maybe it is the difference in the lower dose (I have heard a few comment on 200-300mg/w week being the best in terms of libido) but I am pretty sure it’s a difference in the esters cause I felt fantastic when I was on 500+mg of enth a week.
the acne i have been having on my shoulders and back has improved slightly but this may just be due to a lowering of the dose or the fact that the hairs have mostly grown through the skin since the waxing.
my balls seem like they are as big as they are going to get from the current dose of HCG. don’t really want to go any higher because of worry that I am going to desensitize them and make recovery more difficult.
i don’t know if it’s the HCG or the reduced test dose or being on enth that has my libido in overdrive but I feel like fuckin Pepe Lepew walking down the street. I wanna mount everything in a skirt. I’ve been jerking off like 3 times a day just so I can walk around without an erection.
stopped the HCG as of last thurs and so far the nuts seem to be holding their size ok.
in the process of reducing the test shots to stasis level (yesterday was the first stasis shot).
also dropped the adex dose to 0.1mg EOD and will discontinue it this week fully.
started Nolva (20mg/d) and Clomid (50mg/d). I plan on running this for the next 4 weeks.
libido has returned to normal.
have gained back a little weight but think it’s mostly due to eating and drinking a ton last weekend rather than any muscle gain (thursday to sunday was pretty much a big buffet and booze fest). scale says I am at 238lbs. gained about an inch on my waist. need to get back on track with my diet so I don’t blow the progress I’ve made.
Currently on the 2nd week of the stasis portion (100mg/w) and running clomid at 50mg/d and nolva at 20mg/d (both split into AM and PM). I have also been running HOT-ROX (1 each morning only), Carbolin 19-19 (1 AM and 1 Early Aft), and Beta7 (3 caps split throughout the day).
In terms of appearance I think things look about as good as they did at the peak of the cycle. A little less pumped up but very lean still which is what I was concerned about. I am actually seeing more striations and vascularity… for the first time ever noticed the little vein that runs up from my junk into the bottom abs.
nuts seem to be holding their size ok since the HCG was discontinued. they shrank down a bit but they are def still close to full size and they are hanging low.
Libido is very good and no crash in energy levels so far. Workouts have been good.
Strength is down a bit but I guess that was to be expected as well. Feel good in the gym though besides the minor blow to the ego that I am putting up less weight than I was a few weeks ago.
Will be getting my bloodwork done tomorrow AM so it will be interesting to see how my stasis is actually going (what LH/FSH levels are really at, what level of Total and Free Test I actually have in my system, and what is going on with my health in general).
well I am getting close to week 4 of the taper and so far so good.
Things to note:
appearance wise I look pretty much the same still. i have put on a tiny bit of BF but not much.
My weight is holding at about 228-230lbs.
I like being on high doses of gear a lot more than low doses of gear.
I have lost some strength. Still putting up decent weight but I just don’t feel the explosive power and my stamina is much lower.
My recovery is definitely back to natural levels. My calves are still sore from my monday workout and it’s thursday.
No crash or loss of libido but my energy levels have returned to “normal” which is ok I guess but not nearly as fun as being geared up.
My balls seem to be holding their size ok on the 100mg/w test with the 20mg/d Nolva and 50mg/d Clomid.
I did the blood tests but haven’t gotten my results yet…i might have fucked up the piss test because i didn’t use mid stream pee…not sure how important that is?
