Functional Strength? Amazing Video!

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hah nice one hanley. I’ll admit it, i personally would likely be owned in a fight with a world-record-holding powerlifter.

However, that’s not who we were originally talking about. a world class gymnast would be infinitely more agile than i am, making him more likely to be able to perform the jab. and how to do a pressure jab i did learn, all the other stuff i know is from logic, other sources, or application in real life.

I only took 6 months of tai kwon do. Became disenchanted with it after i sparred the instructor’s son, who was a blackbelt at the age of 12, i was 14, and beat him when i was still a white belt (lowest rank). You do learn a lot, but overall the whole ranking system is crap.

Ever watch human weapon? they calculate forces on different hits, and 3 different tai kwon do kicks generate over 600 lbs of pressure. Focused over an area as small as a heel or the ball of a foot, that’s like 200lbs per square inch. This debate is, if you took both practical size applications, like facing off a tai kwon do fighter vs a heavyweight boxing champion. Honestly, i would have no clue who would win.

And T3h Pwnisher, I’ve done it once, do you have any fighting experience/training that you should share with us, seeing as you’re so knowledgeable as to doubt everything I’ve said?

For the functional strength debate, really, all strength is functional. The whole term is pointless. If it can be used in any way in everyday life, it’s functional. someone with a mad deadlift could lift the back end of a car, but couldn’t climb a mountain wall with their bare hands. However, a gymnast may be exactly the opposite. The instances when you truly need the most extreme of either of these instances however, are far and few between.

that’s my two cents.

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Nice one Blaze. I hate when people through around buzz words like, “functional”, “core” and “Zazzy”(That’s right. It’s not a real word!).

Before anybody EVER says what they think is or is not functional or is or is not whatever…DEFINE what you believe that word to mean. What is functional for me may not be functional for you. Bench press is not functional…for me. Then again I rock climb and olympic lift so guess how I get better at those…I rock climb and olympic lift. Oh and I squat because squatting is good for you.

The way I see it there is no such thing as a bad exercise (unless it involves a bosu ball =P). Its the body you bring to the exercise that’s bad.

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I always love when people talk about fighting on the internet its hilarious.

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I think everyone has missed something hilarious in the Scott Mendelson video.

After the lift, when Scott goes to hug the spotter in green, he grabs his ass, and he is obviously not happy about it.

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[quote]shizen wrote:
I always love when people talk about fighting on the internet its hilarious.
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hah, i know you’re talking about physical fighting, but it made me think of this picture…

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[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
hah nice one hanley. I’ll admit it, i personally would likely be owned in a fight with a world-record-holding powerlifter.

However, that’s not who we were originally talking about. a world class gymnast would be infinitely more agile than i am, making him more likely to be able to perform the jab. and how to do a pressure jab i did learn, all the other stuff i know is from logic, other sources, or application in real life.

I only took 6 months of tai kwon do. Became disenchanted with it after i sparred the instructor’s son, who was a blackbelt at the age of 12, i was 14, and beat him when i was still a white belt (lowest rank). You do learn a lot, but overall the whole ranking system is crap.

Ever watch human weapon? they calculate forces on different hits, and 3 different tai kwon do kicks generate over 600 lbs of pressure. Focused over an area as small as a heel or the ball of a foot, that’s like 200lbs per square inch. This debate is, if you took both practical size applications, like facing off a tai kwon do fighter vs a heavyweight boxing champion. Honestly, i would have no clue who would win.

And T3h Pwnisher, I’ve done it once, do you have any fighting experience/training that you should share with us, seeing as you’re so knowledgeable as to doubt everything I’ve said?

For the functional strength debate, really, all strength is functional. The whole term is pointless. If it can be used in any way in everyday life, it’s functional. someone with a mad deadlift could lift the back end of a car, but couldn’t climb a mountain wall with their bare hands. However, a gymnast may be exactly the opposite. The instances when you truly need the most extreme of either of these instances however, are far and few between.

that’s my two cents.
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6 months of TKD and the human weapon, yeah that about covers it.

You’re curious about my own experience. 3 seasons of folkstyle wrestling, 8 years of TKD at a McDojo as a kid, 1.5 years of Boxing and Muay Thai, six months of BJJ, fought local amatuer MMA.

Even with that little of training I know that the stuff you’re saying is just plain stupid.

Go get some more training and don’t take everything you see on TV seriously. You can’t shove someone’s nose bone into their brain.

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[quote]malonetd wrote:
That’s petty good, but check out this amazing display of functional strength:

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Thats impressive, but check out after hes done the lift, he grabs his main spotters ass (the green shirt guy) and he gets pissed off, lol.

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[quote]Brisks wrote:
malonetd wrote:
That’s petty good, but check out this amazing display of functional strength:

Thats impressive, but check out after hes done the lift, he grabs his main spotters ass (the green shirt guy) and he gets pissed off, lol.[/quote]

HUH!? Are you watching the same video?

OK now I get what your talking about. but that’s not what’s happened although I must admit it looks that way if you think about it that way, LOL.

BTW the whole functional strength thing is stupid! since I started working out over 20 years ago I have nearly doubled my weight and tripled my strength it has not helped me in any aspect of general life. What if I had been doing gymnastics instead? Doing backflips wouldn’t have helped me in any other aspect of life either. As far as sports goes. Can Micheal Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, Joe Montana or Roger Clemans do backflips, Parkour stuff or climb ropes like monkeys? Can any of them Bench or deadlift tons?

There was a video floating around about a lecture from a Bulgarian weightlifting coach. In it he talks about how his world champions couldn’t lift a piano as well as scrawny gypsy boys. Apparently, he developed his system around these ideas. That you need to do what you do to be good at it, he even says he dropped everything else including jumping and just has them do cleans, snatches and squats. Paval talks about stuff like that as well.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Blaze_108 wrote:

And T3h Pwnisher, I’ve done it once, do you have any fighting experience/training that you should share with us, seeing as you’re so knowledgeable as to doubt everything I’ve said?

that’s my two cents.

6 months of TKD and the human weapon, yeah that about covers it.

You’re curious about my own experience. 3 seasons of folkstyle wrestling, 8 years of TKD at a McDojo as a kid, 1.5 years of Boxing and Muay Thai, six months of BJJ, fought local amatuer MMA.

Even with that little of training I know that the stuff you’re saying is just plain stupid.

Go get some more training and don’t take everything you see on TV seriously. You can’t shove someone’s nose bone into their brain.
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As i said, shots to the knees, nose, temples, throat, eyes, and base of head(back) can all incapacitate or fatally injure someone. knee’s can pop out sideways, nose can kill from trauma and facial damage, temples are a close to unprotected route to the brain, an impact there can cause unconsciousness or death, throat can crush windpipe, eyes can just be blinded, and base of head on back of neck is weakest location along whole spinal cord, a solidly aimed blow can kill or maim a person.
a nose doesn’t contain bone. It’s cartilage… go to http://okok.essortment.com/martialartsstr_rlnz.htm

Now I assume you’ll go on to refute everything i just typed. If you can prove me wrong, i’ll admit it.

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[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:

As i said, shots to the knees, nose, temples, throat, eyes, and base of head(back) can all incapacitate or fatally injure someone. knee’s can pop out sideways, nose can kill from trauma and facial damage, temples are a close to unprotected route to the brain, an impact there can cause unconsciousness or death, throat can crush windpipe, eyes can just be blinded, and base of head on back of neck is weakest location along whole spinal cord, a solidly aimed blow can kill or maim a person.
a nose doesn’t contain bone. It’s cartilage… go to http://okok.essortment.com/martialartsstr_rlnz.htm

Now I assume you’ll go on to refute everything i just typed. If you can prove me wrong, i’ll admit it.[/quote]

Yeah, deadly. Now how about you hit any of those places while a crazed 300lb monster is charging at you. If he gets close and you haven’t hit his “death spots” then you’re fucked.

What you’re doing is akin to masturbation. You’re imaging a situtation that’s never gonna happen and having a big fantasy about something you’ll never be able to do.

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heh. Again, the situation this argument stemmed from wasn’t about me. It was about the gymnast vs. scott.

It’s not hard to hit someone in the eye or the throat. again, note that i said that i’d probably be owned in a fight with someone that big. I’m not stating what i’d be able to do, however, i’m stating facts that the gymnast could use to level the playing field.
You somehow have blown it into the context of me vs scott.

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both videos are awesome, but it’s apples and oranges boys and girls.

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[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
heh. Again, the situation this argument stemmed from wasn’t about me. It was about the gymnast vs. scott.

It’s not hard to hit someone in the eye or the throat. again, note that i said that i’d probably be owned in a fight with someone that big. I’m not stating what i’d be able to do, however, i’m stating facts that the gymnast could use to level the playing field.
You somehow have blown it into the context of me vs scott.[/quote]

How many people have you hit in the eye or throat to know if it’s hard or not? Watch boxing. It’s hard to hit someone anywhere with a closed fist, let alone a specific area of the body with a finger. Go to your local MMA club and test out these theories.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Blaze_108 wrote:
heh. Again, the situation this argument stemmed from wasn’t about me. It was about the gymnast vs. scott.

It’s not hard to hit someone in the eye or the throat. again, note that i said that i’d probably be owned in a fight with someone that big. I’m not stating what i’d be able to do, however, i’m stating facts that the gymnast could use to level the playing field.
You somehow have blown it into the context of me vs scott.

How many people have you hit in the eye or throat to know if it’s hard or not? Watch boxing. It’s hard to hit someone anywhere with a closed fist, let alone a specific area of the body with a finger. Go to your local MMA club and test out these theories.[/quote]

Nahhh man, don’t you see? this is teh interweb. It doesn’t matter if the theory is applicable in the real world. It only has to sound good and make sense for it to be true!!!

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
What you’re doing is akin to masturbation. You’re imaging a situtation that’s never gonna happen and having a big fantasy about something you’ll never be able to do.[/quote]

Best analogy I’ve ever heard of!

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
Blaze_108 wrote:
heh. Again, the situation this argument stemmed from wasn’t about me. It was about the gymnast vs. scott.

It’s not hard to hit someone in the eye or the throat. again, note that i said that i’d probably be owned in a fight with someone that big. I’m not stating what i’d be able to do, however, i’m stating facts that the gymnast could use to level the playing field.
You somehow have blown it into the context of me vs scott.

How many people have you hit in the eye or throat to know if it’s hard or not? Watch boxing. It’s hard to hit someone anywhere with a closed fist, let alone a specific area of the body with a finger. Go to your local MMA club and test out these theories.[/quote]

eye? none. throat? several. Even in sparring, it’s hard to ignore instincts. To get to a throat on anyone i’ve sparred against, all you do is a quick feint at the face, they’ll angle their head back, boom throatshot. I’ve tapped several friends lightly on the throat while doing this.

If you’re going against a trained fighter, they probably won’t make this mistake, but we aren’t talking a trained fighter,unless Scott has been taking boxing lessons.

anyway, im done arguing. I know things are more easy to anticipate in theory, and more difficult in life. I’m tired of the two of you attempting to make me give in or something. congratulations, two of you can bore a 17 yo in an internet argument.

read my posts in this thread, i haven’t made an effort to be insulting, though you two are responding and attempting to refute everything i type. congrats! feel proud! I’m out of this thread hijack.

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[quote]Carnak wrote:
Both of those videos are awesome.[/quote]

I’m gonna just take a stab and say that the Gymnast could probably do a double bodyweight bench press and that Scott could learn how to do a vertical hand-stand push-up pretty quickly.

They both have functional strength because they’re good at what they do. Most people who wine about functional strength are weenies who have trouble putting baggage in the overhead bin.

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[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
T3hPwnisher wrote:
Blaze_108 wrote:
eye? none. throat? several. Even in sparring, it’s hard to ignore instincts. To get to a throat on anyone i’ve sparred against, all you do is a quick feint at the face, they’ll angle their head back, boom throatshot. I’ve tapped several friends lightly on the throat while doing this.

If you’re going against a trained fighter, they probably won’t make this mistake, but we aren’t talking a trained fighter,unless Scott has been taking boxing lessons.

anyway, im done arguing. I know things are more easy to anticipate in theory, and more difficult in life. I’m tired of the two of you attempting to make me give in or something. congratulations, two of you can bore a 17 yo in an internet argument.

read my posts in this thread, i haven’t made an effort to be insulting, though you two are responding and attempting to refute everything i type. congrats! feel proud! I’m out of this thread hijack.
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Holy crap, 17? Gah, now I get it.

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Arguing about fighting theories on the internet is probably one of the most retarded things next to arguing which superhero can beat which superhero.

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[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
T3hPwnisher wrote:
Blaze_108 wrote:
heh. Again, the situation this argument stemmed from wasn’t about me. It was about the gymnast vs. scott.

It’s not hard to hit someone in the eye or the throat. again, note that i said that i’d probably be owned in a fight with someone that big. I’m not stating what i’d be able to do, however, i’m stating facts that the gymnast could use to level the playing field.
You somehow have blown it into the context of me vs scott.

How many people have you hit in the eye or throat to know if it’s hard or not? Watch boxing. It’s hard to hit someone anywhere with a closed fist, let alone a specific area of the body with a finger. Go to your local MMA club and test out these theories.

eye? none. throat? several. Even in sparring, it’s hard to ignore instincts. To get to a throat on anyone i’ve sparred against, all you do is a quick feint at the face, they’ll angle their head back, boom throatshot. I’ve tapped several friends lightly on the throat while doing this.

If you’re going against a trained fighter, they probably won’t make this mistake, but we aren’t talking a trained fighter,unless Scott has been taking boxing lessons.

anyway, im done arguing. I know things are more easy to anticipate in theory, and more difficult in life. I’m tired of the two of you attempting to make me give in or something. congratulations, two of you can bore a 17 yo in an internet argument.

read my posts in this thread, i haven’t made an effort to be insulting, though you two are responding and attempting to refute everything i type. congrats! feel proud! I’m out of this thread hijack.
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Wooooooahhhh thers Betsy!!!

So you’re basing EVERYTHING you say off your prestigous 6 months of TKD? I would assume you were “fighting” against people of your own experience level? Congratulations on hitting a 17 year old who’s never been in a fight in his throat. Man that’s gonna have some awesome carryover to real life…

Any fighther I know, trained, untrained, street scrapper or bounce that I know will always tuck their chin as a first instinct and give you the top of their head to break your fist off. Oh dear… where’s their throat gone? That’s you fucked.

If you end up in a fight on the street or ANYWHERE outside of a controlled beginner envoirnment then you can be sure this isn’t the persons first time. People don’t just start fights unless they think they can handle themselves. And if that’s the case then your little plan of action is blown right out of the water.

Go start a fight in the school yard and slap someone in hte throat. Then go down to your local bar and try to start a fight with someone there. Maybe then you’ll cop on and realise you don’t even have the slightest idea on what you’re talking about.