[quote]niksamaras wrote:
I believe that since why are bodybuilders, at one point or another, one should diet down to “stage weight”. I mean really fucking ripped. At that point he will now how he actually looks like. Fat takes up a lot of space. My buddy had 48-49cm arms. Once he dieted to a 6 pack, his arms went to 41cm. His strength remianed the same, but he was a lot smaller.[/quote]
It’s actually a good idea, but requires a lot of sacrifice. [/quote]
[quote]niksamaras wrote:
I believe that since why are bodybuilders, at one point or another, one should diet down to “stage weight”. I mean really fucking ripped. At that point he will now how he actually looks like. Fat takes up a lot of space. My buddy had 48-49cm arms. Once he dieted to a 6 pack, his arms went to 41cm. His strength remianed the same, but he was a lot smaller.[/quote]
It’s actually a good idea, but requires a lot of sacrifice. [/quote]
and a bit of humility
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Yeah, like when one reduces to 170 to 190 pounds and realizes they’re no longer the 220 to 250 pound badass filling out XL and XXL shirts anymore.
Anyway, I think it’s a good idea, but can’t see if one would go to the extremes it takes to get to 5 to 7% bodyfat if they’re not going to get onstage: lack of sleep, hunger, severe dietary restriction, borderline overtraining.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
…would go to the extremes it takes to get to 5 to 7% bodyfat if they’re not going to get onstage: lack of sleep, hunger, severe dietary restriction, borderline overtraining. [/quote]
I’m fine with all that shit, but I draw the line at shaving my legs, etc.!
…Anyway, I think it’s a good idea, but can’t see if one would go to the extremes it takes to get to 5 to 7% bodyfat…
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So “it’s a good idea” to “go to the extremes (emphasis mine) it takes to get to 5 to 7% bodyfat” but it’s not a good idea to go to the “extreme” of putting on a little extra fat while building muscle on a bulk?
How does that make sense? I don’t get it.[/quote]
I think that’s the point, most people never need to get to a true 5-7% (stage condition), just as most people don’t truly need to pack on so much adipose. The extreme leanness helps stage competitors, the extreme bulk (not necessarily muscle, but size, leverage etc) can help powerlifters and strongmen. Neither really applies to the everage gym rat who wants to pack on muscle and look good IMO.
Of course even getting down to an honest 10-12% is beyond most people’s willingness to achieve, which I think was the point of the initial comment.
…Anyway, I think it’s a good idea, but can’t see if one would go to the extremes it takes to get to 5 to 7% bodyfat…
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So “it’s a good idea” to “go to the extremes (emphasis mine) it takes to get to 5 to 7% bodyfat” but it’s not a good idea to go to the “extreme” of putting on a little extra fat while building muscle on a bulk?
How does that make sense? I don’t get it.[/quote]
Exactly. There is a double standard based on what is most popular.
I think that’s the point, most people never need to get to a true 5-7% (stage condition), just as most people don’t truly need to pack on so much adipose.[/quote]
Once again, no one…and I mean NO ONE is saying anyone should pack on any extra amount of “adipose” than what is needed to make sure you grow optimally in terms of muscle mass.
I am not sure why that needs to be repeated so much here.
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The extreme leanness helps stage competitors, the extreme bulk (not necessarily muscle, but size, leverage etc) can help powerlifters and strongmen. Neither really applies to the everage gym rat who wants to pack on muscle and look good IMO.[/quote]
How is it “bulk” can help powerlifters and strongmen but NOT guys in the gym trying to get big and strong?
Wouldn’t it make sense for them to do what the big and strong people are doing?
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Of course even getting down to an honest 10-12% is beyond most people’s willingness to achieve, which I think was the point of the initial comment.
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That would be because NUMBERS don’t mean anything when it comes to how you LOOK.
I am also definitely NOT dissing his on stage form. He looks great in contest condition…but most of us here will never get on stage to compete…and my goals involve what is also a perfect fit for my own life.
Wrong forum - yet the forum is called Bigger, Stronger, LEANER…and it appears to be the same damn thing as the bodybuilding section, with the same exact argument that was going on over there, continuing for 50 pages here…
I don’t see the benefit of creating this forum at all - maybe we should have bodybuilding, and a second Competition Bodybuilding forum…
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Wrong forum - yet the forum is called Bigger, Stronger, LEANER…and it appears to be the same damn thing as the bodybuilding section, with the same exact argument that was going on over there, continuing for 50 pages here…
I don’t see the benefit of creating this forum at all - maybe we should have bodybuilding, and a second Competition Bodybuilding forum…[/quote]
Wow…it wasn’t clear that pushharder was responding to a post about STAGE WEIGHT?
Considering we are told that everyone not competing has to avoid ever referring to themselves as a BODYBUILDER, why wouldn’t this forum be a good idea and why is it when we talk of NOT competing it causes guys like you to post more about how you hate it?
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Wrong forum - yet the forum is called Bigger, Stronger, LEANER…and it appears to be the same damn thing as the bodybuilding section, with the same exact argument that was going on over there, continuing for 50 pages here…
I don’t see the benefit of creating this forum at all - maybe we should have bodybuilding, and a second Competition Bodybuilding forum…[/quote]
Wow…it wasn’t clear that pushharder was responding to a post about STAGE WEIGHT?
Considering we are told that everyone not competing has to avoid ever referring to themselves as a BODYBUILDER, why wouldn’t this forum be a good idea and why is it when we talk of NOT competing it causes guys like you to post more about how you hate it?[/quote]
And then YOU post a comparison of a COMPETITIVE BODYBUILDER in off-season, then one of him IN CONTEST SHAPE in response to a post about most never needing to get to that extreme UNLESS COMPETING.
I don’t think anyone here is saying it’s either or- BUT YOU.
I think the full house look is good for those that want it. Fat gets such a bad rap at times but its good that there are some out there that NEED fat to add to their size to be bigger than those that stay lean. Fat can be useful at times and if utilised properly can add substantially to a frame that lacks the muscular development that someone of lower weight may possess. So good luck to you guys who use fat in this way maybe in time a new sub forum will be started by Tnation.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Wrong forum - yet the forum is called Bigger, Stronger, LEANER…and it appears to be the same damn thing as the bodybuilding section, with the same exact argument that was going on over there, continuing for 50 pages here…
I don’t see the benefit of creating this forum at all - maybe we should have bodybuilding, and a second Competition Bodybuilding forum…[/quote]
Wow…it wasn’t clear that pushharder was responding to a post about STAGE WEIGHT?
Considering we are told that everyone not competing has to avoid ever referring to themselves as a BODYBUILDER, why wouldn’t this forum be a good idea and why is it when we talk of NOT competing it causes guys like you to post more about how you hate it?[/quote]
And then YOU post a comparison of a COMPETITIVE BODYBUILDER in off-season, then one of him IN CONTEST SHAPE in response to a post about most never needing to get to that extreme UNLESS COMPETING.
I don’t think anyone here is saying it’s either or- BUT YOU.
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I posted those pictures because there was a discussion about how everyone looks better in contest shape.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Wrong forum - yet the forum is called Bigger, Stronger, LEANER…and it appears to be the same damn thing as the bodybuilding section, with the same exact argument that was going on over there, continuing for 50 pages here…
I don’t see the benefit of creating this forum at all - maybe we should have bodybuilding, and a second Competition Bodybuilding forum…[/quote]
Wow…it wasn’t clear that pushharder was responding to a post about STAGE WEIGHT?
Considering we are told that everyone not competing has to avoid ever referring to themselves as a BODYBUILDER, why wouldn’t this forum be a good idea and why is it when we talk of NOT competing it causes guys like you to post more about how you hate it?[/quote]
And then YOU post a comparison of a COMPETITIVE BODYBUILDER in off-season, then one of him IN CONTEST SHAPE in response to a post about most never needing to get to that extreme UNLESS COMPETING.
I don’t think anyone here is saying it’s either or- BUT YOU.
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I posted those pictures because there was a discussion about how everyone looks better in contest shape.
I am not sure what you are even talking about.[/quote]
Moving past that, once again, the point is that no, not everyone actually looks more impressive dieted down to contests shape…which is really all this forum is about.
I posted a picture of Ntiforo in the off season…which is pretty much the condition he finds comfortable to gain and make progress at without trying to remain so lean it holds back progress. I would imagine that is the goal of most of us.
Simply put, yes, some people actually do look more impressive in the off season than they do on stage (there are other examples)…which is closer to the condition many of us are describing here.
I have no desire to be fat for the sake of being fat. I have no thoughts that fat helps you gain more muscle in and of itself aside from the concept of leverage and even fascial stretching or the idea of holding a weight during the process of gaining with the goals of making it easier to hold that weight with more muscle.
