[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]flch95 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
My muscular size hit its peak after years of slowly, and consciously starting to pay attention to my diet and training, and all after the age of 30.
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key point…most of the advice for any type of extreme bulking has been aimed at people YOUNGER THAN 30. I mentioned that right here as well. Maybe people thought I was older than I was when I first started posting. I always made the point that I wouldn’t be bulking up much over the age of 30-35.
I wouldn’t expect someone over the age of 30 to see the same benefit especially if it took even longer past that to learn to eat right.
By 30 I had much of that worked out from several years of trial and error.[/quote]
So what would you tell someone mid 30s, in the 150-170lb range just starting out with the goal of adding size?[/quote]
Find maintenance calories and add 10 to 15% to that or set calories at 15 calories per pound, see what happens, and make adjustments from there, not “eat big to get big”. These are the same sensible guidelines for gaining for people of any age.
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Yeah, the problem with that is, the body you have at 20 IS NOT the body you have at 35.
For instance, your tendons can repair themselves MUCH faster under the age of 35…which means who is going to make more progress and recover faster from truly heavy all out workouts that stress those tendons and require more recovery?
If someone were over the age of 30-35, I would have them be more cautious with their caloric increases because your risks of effecting blood pressure and not having the metabolism to grow optimally become a greater factor.
Anyone trying to move more than 4 plates a side on any movement understands what mean about tendon recovery…which can short change muscle recovery and growth completely…especially as you age.
Bulking up and working on all out size is about understanding these biological differences, not ignoring them or acting like what I am writing is impossible.
Some of you act like the info some of us are writing is nonsense…when the results speak for themselves.
But hey…everyone is just adding body fat if we listen to some of you.
anyone not showing all abs is “over 25% body fat”.[/quote]
Please X, tell me the problem with finding maintenance calories and increasing by 10 to 15%.
There’s also the Harris Benedict equation that takes into account age and activity to set a baseline.
Or someone can use what they’re currently eating provided their daily menu isn’t horrible if it is maintaining weight and going from there.
Please tell us YOUR guidelines for people of varying age groups: teenagers, 20s, and 30+. Give us some specific guidelines other than “eat big” or “eat more” (anything involving MORE would involve an accurate sense of what happened before or now).
I challenge you go to give your best and not respond with some vague answer or one that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, for example talking about tendon robustness when we’re trying to map out a damn diet! Please inform us. We have a contest prep coach in this thread, people who are using nutrition and training coaches, and I myself, a dietitian, who want to be schooled or improve our professional or physique practices.
Let us know. If my GENERAL recommendations (they have to be general because I’m not working closely with people in threads on the internet) aren’t good, what do you say?
Oh by the way, if we want to play the “look who agrees with me” game, I can participate: there are writers on THIS very site, T-mag, who have given IDENTICAL general guidelines as I have, not to mention hundreds or thousands in articles all over the internet, in magazines, books, and classrooms.
Care to offer something new?
I even gave you a case study sometime, something along the lines of a person with X age, X years of experience, and X body composition and asked for your input on gaining. You didn’t respond.
Also, although someone will likely be in a better position for most things physical in their teens, 20s, and early 30s, nothing magical happens for people except a tiny few, with most people making gains of about pound or two of muscle in a month, if that. Are there cases of one pound of muscle in a week by some natties at young ages? I think so, in RARE cases, but those sorts of outrageous gains don’t go on unduly and certainly not for long.
In regards to the whole: “You should mega bulk because we only have one time to go around and if you don’t get it done fast, you might never get there.”
As I’ve said before, for a natty, provided they do things right from the start, after the third year, nothing significant is happening in terms of muscular gain, say gains of 5 pounds of muscle or less per year. So it’s not like they need decades of force feeding and constantly recomping to get where they want to be. This phenomenon is also why some of us get skeptical when someone talks about constant, seemingly NEVER ENDING recomping progress and talk of 80 to 100 pound muscular gains. [/quote]
Best post.
