Off topic. But I swear I saw an extra in the tv show Grimm that looked exactly like professor X
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Many of the guys mentioned could easily stand to lose 15% or more. 15% on a 300 pounder is 45+ pounds. Hell, even 10% (which probably wouldn’t get many of these guys close to lean) would be 30 pounds of fat loss. That is a Significant chunk of fat.
You act like obese and muscular are mutually exclusive. Though many of these guys look good, yes, some are in fact fat.
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? Obesity is defined as 30% body fat and above in most areas. I don’t see anyone with body fat that high being judged as “full house”.
once again, how did you look when fatter? Please post pictures.[/quote]
Posted by you as full house. IMO, over 20% bf. Probably close to 30%. I think most would agree. From what I remember from what DD used to look like, he wasn’t quite as fat as this.
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to me this is fat, easily over 20%. why someone who considers themselves a bodybuilder would ever want to look like this is beyond me.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
The small bodyfat percentage changes was something X threw in, I never brought them up. I am talking about more significant changes.
And again, I noted my own personal fasting glucose level as evidence that it does change within the individual. [/quote]
?? “more significant changes”? Look, if you are still discussing going from OBESE to not obese, then yes, I am sure you saw a difference.
Most studies seem to imply that.
However, once again, we are not discussing obesity in this discussion.
Unless you were “just a little bit fatter” or at least within 10% of where you are now at the start, your results aren’t what we are discussing.[/quote]
At 210 and 25% bodyfat, my fasted glucose was 114 mg/dl, at 184 and 15% several months later, it was 81mg/dl. That’s off of the blood work and corresponding highly detailed full physicals in my file cabinet. I was lifting 4-5 days per week and consuming a high protein diet with roughly the same relative macronutrient composition throughout. No medications, no drugs, just fewer calories. Losing 25 lbs improved my fasting glucose by 33mg/dl in 4 months. Good enough for you?[/quote]
Knock it off with your science and logic.
THAT HAS NO PLACE HERE!
I’m all about the full house look. More like the mansion look.
[quote]GymTimeNYC wrote:
I’m all about the full house look. More like the mansion look. [/quote]
Stan Efferding
Someone say “full house” look?
^Damn Stamos had great hair back in the day.
S
[quote]Professor X wrote:
In between months 1 and 12 if I am seeing more strength in the gym and my arms are growing, and I choose not to diet down because of it, that may lead me to carrying more body fat than “ideal” that can be dieted off later.
AT NO POINT IN TIME WAS THE THOUGHT THAT CARRYING MORE FAT CAUSES MORE GROWTH.[/quote]
You’re not saying it causes more growth, but you’re implying that carrying that fat is necessary for growth.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Someone say “full house” look? [/quote]
Come at me, bro.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
In between months 1 and 12 if I am seeing more strength in the gym and my arms are growing, and I choose not to diet down because of it, that may lead me to carrying more body fat than “ideal” that can be dieted off later.
AT NO POINT IN TIME WAS THE THOUGHT THAT CARRYING MORE FAT CAUSES MORE GROWTH.[/quote]
You’re not saying it causes more growth, but you’re implying that carrying that fat is necessary for growth.
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Personally, I’ve never read that implication into PX’s posts. I don’t ever think I’ve read that fat is “necessary” for growth, but in some people, it goes hand in hand. Obviously, the goal (in bodybuilding or physique-minded folks) is to minimize that ratio of fat to muscle gain.
For some people, it’s a fact of life that adding some fat goes with adding weight to the bar if ones goal is to add weight to the bar as quickly as possible.
I’ve always understood a component of time implied in PX’s posts about dealing with fat when gaining. If your ‘rate of gains’ goal isn’t really time oriented, then, sure, take years to add to the bar or grow your arms as leanly (is that a real adverb?) as possible.
Also, just a request for conversation – can we stop with the ‘health’ aspect of bodybuilding and adding strength/size. I think most can agree that there is nothing healthy about dieting and shredding for a competition, at least the dehydration part. Likewise, getting under 500 lbs on a bar isn’t really ‘healthy’ per se, either.
Clinical obesity definitions have to do with definitions of clinical health.
Competitive bodybuilding and competitive powerlifting, and even non-competitive lifting for full-house has nothing to do with health in its purest sense. There are people who will and do sacrifice health for physique and trophies.
There are certainly health implications for the lifestyle for better or for worse, but that’s not what we’re discussing in BB or BSL forums.
Ahh, fuck it. I was going to post this prog pic, then decided not to enter the fray, but, whatever, I don’t really care.
So, this was this week at a gym in Toronto. This is leg day btw. (5-8" and change, 265#). Hard to see, but vascularity in arms and shoulders, smooth but not soft abs.
I don’t know if this is “full house” or not, and I freely admit I could stand to drop 25 lbs. I might be 20% or 30% or 40% fat, clinically obese, or whatever, I don’t know. However, I detected a lot of eyes on me in the gym like I’ve never noticed before in the 2 weeks I was there and I don’t think they were thinking “My God, that dude is one fatass fuck”.
Only one person I saw was near my size and he was just taller (read: took up the same amount of space but not necessarily developed). He was a powerlifter and literally walked across the gym, packed shoulder to shoulder, by the way, to ask for spots. That was a nice implied compliment.
Don’t read this like I’m happy with my current physique, or that I think some shinig example of anything-- I have years of work ahead of me.
However, other than the skewed persective of a small population of e-lifters and competitive bodybuilders could someone look at me (or guys like mmeat, px, the former heavythrower physique) and immediately think “Obesely fat”.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Ahh, fuck it. I was going to post this prog pic, then decided not to enter the fray, but, whatever, I don’t really care. This is leg day btw. (5-8" and change, 265#)
So, this was this week at a gym in Toronto.
I don’t know if this is “full house” or not, and I freely admit I could stand to drop 25 lbs. I might be 20% or 30% or 40% fat, clinically obese, or whatever, I don’t know. However, I detected a lot of eyes on me in the gym and in 2 weeks like I’ve never noticed before and I don’t think they were thinking “My God, that dude is one fatass fuck”.
Only one person I saw was near my size and he was just taller (read: took up the same amount of space but not necessarily developed). He was a powerlifter and literally walked across the gym, packed shoulder to shouler by the way, to ask for spots. That was nice.
Don’t read this like I’m happy with my current physique, I have years of work ahead of me. However, other than the skewed persective of a small population of e-lifters and competitive bodybuilders could someone look at me (or guys like mmeat, px, the former heavythrower physique) and immediately think “Obesely fat”.
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Your posts here are VERY reasonable. I am able to see things both ways: an obese person, who may OR may not be obese as the result of eating practices NECESSARY for success in some strength sports. If I see a hugely muscular guy like yourself, who might be carrying a relatively high bodyfat percentage, I recognize him for what he is: perhaps a Strongman competitor or a competitive powerlifter or just a guy who loves putting up big numbers or a guy who simply doesn’t care about bodyfat levels.
However, if someone asked me, despite them being great powerlifters, if Donnie Thompson, Andy Bolton, or Jeff Lewis is fat or obese, I’d respond, “Yes!” And if someone asked me if a guy carrying 25 to 30% is obese, I’d respond “Yes,” regardless if they lift or not or how well they carry their weight.
I’ll also add: congratulations on your progress and what you’re doing. I remember you saying you want to do some bench meets. Good luck with that! I always remember you being a good poster here and sharing some friendly PM’s here.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Ahh, fuck it. I was going to post this prog pic, then decided not to enter the fray, but, whatever, I don’t really care. This is leg day btw. (5-8" and change, 265#). Hard to see, but vascularity in arms and shoulders, smooth but not soft abs.
So, this was this week at a gym in Toronto.
I don’t know if this is “full house” or not, and I freely admit I could stand to drop 25 lbs. I might be 20% or 30% or 40% fat, clinically obese, or whatever, I don’t know. However, I detected a lot of eyes on me in the gym and in 2 weeks like I’ve never noticed before and I don’t think they were thinking “My God, that dude is one fatass fuck”.
Only one person I saw was near my size and he was just taller (read: took up the same amount of space but not necessarily developed). He was a powerlifter and literally walked across the gym, packed shoulder to shouler by the way, to ask for spots. That was nice.
Don’t read this like I’m happy with my current physique, I have years of work ahead of me. However, other than the skewed persective of a small population of e-lifters and competitive bodybuilders could someone look at me (or guys like mmeat, px, the former heavythrower physique) and immediately think “Obesely fat”.
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just curious if you’ve ever attempted to try and diet down to 10-12 percent bodyfat before?
you’ve been grinding a away a long time gaining size and you’ve done a great job- if really stuck it out and were tp drop a ton of body fat you may really love how you look and how you feel (important for longevity in my mind). just throwing that out there as some food for thought
As far as I can tell, no one in here actually “admitted” to wanting the fullhouse look. Since this is BSL, not BB-ing, I think it’ll be a good safe zone for me to say this. 
I don’t want to give the illusion of being big via leanness and special bodybuilding symmetry and lines or whatever the fuck. I want to actually be MASSIVE. If some of that weight and size is a coating of fat, I’m totally fine with that.
I AM chasing a number on the scale (and numbers on the bar) and I’m not sorry.
I don’t like being really lean, I feel better and more powerful the heavier I am. I think super shredded physiques look ridiculous. A crazy shredded person is one step away from starving, why the hell would you want to look like that? I want to look like Steely.
(I realize it takes a crazy amount of discipline and work to get shredded and all that other bodybuilding stuff and I don’t mean any disrespect to those who do that)
So yeah, I actually want to be 300 lb and 20% BF. (most likely not possible at my height, but that’s besides the point. Was just an example.)
Only posted this cause I don’t think anyone else was willing to admit to being a wannabe musclebear in here.
Steely is a fucking beast.
[quote]hastalles wrote:
As far as I can tell, no one in here actually “admitted” to wanting the fullhouse look. Since this is BSL, not BB-ing, I think it’ll be a good safe zone for me to say this.
I don’t want to give the illusion of being big via leanness and special bodybuilding symmetry and lines or whatever the fuck. I want to actually be MASSIVE. If some of that weight and size is a coating of fat, I’m totally fine with that.
I AM chasing a number on the scale (and numbers on the bar) and I’m not sorry.
I don’t like being really lean, I feel better and more powerful the heavier I am. I think super shredded physiques look ridiculous. A crazy shredded person is one step away from starving, why the hell would you want to look like that? I want to look like Steely.
(I realize it takes a crazy amount of discipline and work to get shredded and all that other bodybuilding stuff and I don’t mean any disrespect to those who do that)
So yeah, I actually want to be 300 lb and 20% BF. (most likely not possible at my height, but that’s besides the point. Was just an example.)
Only posted this cause I don’t think anyone else was willing to admit to being a wannabe musclebear in here. :D[/quote]
Then we wish you well with your goal. AGAIN: no one here has a problem with anyone wanting this so-called full house look or being a permabulker. If you want to get it, then do.
have any “full house-ers” hit the point where theyre tired of carrying extra fat and want to finally cut down and see single digit bodyfat? ive gone through that point several times in the past couple months and as soon as i lose strength in the gym or look small in my clothes, i go back to eating excessive calories because i think im gonna shrivel down.
#mindfuck
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The point again, like the other poster made, is that long term it allows more progress.
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How can you say that…What are you basing yourself off to say this?
How do you even KNOW this?
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@SteelyD… how is this not impplying what Brick said… lol