Did upper body again yesterday. Miserable. Felt a bit better directly after, but then much worse 3 hours later. At this point it hurts from mid-forearm to shoulder.
Sucked it up and made a Dr. appointment for next week. It’s been too long with little to no improvement. Time to let the BS begin. Starting with just a family doc to see what she thinks and I’ll take things from there.
Yes, I’m pretty disgusted with this.
Cappy
Glad You checked in Cappy. I hate you are having fits with yourself. I sure hope you get to the bottom of it all. On the bright side spring is close!
[quote]Capacity wrote:
Did upper body again yesterday. Miserable. Felt a bit better directly after, but then much worse 3 hours later. At this point it hurts from mid-forearm to shoulder.
Sucked it up and made a Dr. appointment for next week. It’s been too long with little to no improvement. Time to let the BS begin. Starting with just a family doc to see what she thinks and I’ll take things from there.
Yes, I’m pretty disgusted with this.
Cappy
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I’ve found it better to give in and see a doc than just live in pain (once did that for three years, I was an idiot, PT cleared up the problem in under a month).
Wish you luck.
OK, here’s the scoop.
Knee: Most likely a small meniscus tear. Probably not horrible or it would be unstable. (It’s not) Plan: Rest, rest, more rest. No deep knee bends (duh) Extensions are OK. Basically, what I’ve been doing since it happened a few months ago. Long term prognosis: Good. Well, that’s debatable since she went on to say that if it’s not feeling better in about 6 weeks then we should get an MRI. But I’m NEVER a good candidate for any kind of surgery due to a very complicated medical history … which makes you sorta question the sense in getting an MRI, right? Since it’s already been six weeks I’m stumped. Didn’t press for an MRI because the arm is more of a problem right now and I can only cope with one misery at a time.
Arm: WTF??? Yeah, that’s the “official” diagnosis. She has no clue what’s wrong. It doesn’t fit anywhere in the realm of normal muscle/tendon injuries. Very hard to even tell exactly where the pain is coming from. (Duh) So no Dx., but a referral to go see an orthopedic doc. She’s concerned. Especially since I had a DVT (TOS) on that side back in the 80’s. Probably not connected, but still.
The ortho appt. is in April. Nothing ever happens quickly.
Can’t I EVER have something normal and straightforward … just once?
Cappy
[quote]Capacity wrote:
OK, here’s the scoop.
The ortho appt. is in April. Nothing ever happens quickly.
Can’t I EVER have something normal and straightforward … just once?
Cappy
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I resemble those remarks.
Cappy
I suck at dealing with injuries…
or at being short winded.
same side or opposites?
I have shoulder hips stuff that travels in opposites, for a reason rotational misalignment or torsion.
what is your health care like ( not to pry)
I mean can you do alternative medicine??
chiro or massage or other?
and not all at once.
I played this game a few times both in college and later in life.
I went from dr. to dr. explaining that I was
“in season” and 6 to 12 weeks rest wasn’t
going to happen because I would be unemployed.
No Sports no Tuitiion no more school
(or in real life work)
I went to a Chiropractor who said I can fix it in 4 days. he did. I know I know.
He took huge piles of cash, fixed my shit so to speak and wrestled etc and was good.
He also found out is I have plenty of shit in my spine and neck that is long term.
the few things he mentioned that would become problems down the road, have to do with some genetic curvature, some scoliosis and some other shit.
I am thinking now all the stuff that is bothering me has to do with the impingement
and the areas affected by them- IE right shoulder and yes bicipital tendonitis.
what I am saying is sometimes shit happens
in groups and it super frustrating but there is an underlying pathology (sometimes)
that is retarded as sleeping postion aggravating a variety of shit.
I wish I had stayed in school for chiro, but that wasnt going to happen either.
I know this sucks.
It gets better.
My right arm is like 90%
my left will get there.
so will yours.
See what the ortho says, also don’t be afraid
to try or see other types of reasonable opinions but not all at once-
I have read allot on this sight from Eric Cressey and Mike Robertson that has confirmed some of what I thin is happening to me,
and helped me find ways to improve.
kmc
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
I suck at dealing with injuries…
or at being short winded.[/quote]
I’m usually pretty patient with tweaks and rehab as long as I can see a light at the end of the tunnel. Stuff that grinds on and on with no possible end in sight? I get a little cranky.
Both are on the same side: right. My dominant side.
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:what is your health care like ( not to pry)
I mean can you do alternative medicine?? chiro or massage or other? and not all at once.[/quote]
I have OK medical and I know how to work the system, meaning, I didn’t even bother seeing my doc without trying some alternative stuff first. When a doc hears you’ve already done a program of RICE and massage with no results, they’re usually willing to start looking at the next step. As a general rule I see my massage therapist every 2-3 weeks. I’ve been seeing her for about 15 years. (Pay out of pocket for that) I consider that part of good regular maintenance.
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
I played this game a few times both in college and later in life.
I went from dr. to dr. explaining that I was
“in season” and 6 to 12 weeks rest wasn’t
going to happen because I would be unemployed.
No Sports no Tuitiion no more school
(or in real life work)
I went to a Chiropractor who said I can fix it in 4 days. he did. I know I know.
He took huge piles of cash, fixed my shit so to speak and wrestled etc and was good.
He also found out is I have plenty of shit in my spine and neck that is long term.
the few things he mentioned that would become problems down the road, have to do with some genetic curvature, some scoliosis and some other shit. I am thinking now all the stuff that is bothering me has to do with the impingement and the areas affected by them- IE right shoulder and yes bicipital tendonitis.
[/quote]
Yeah. I think these issues are probably related to something I’ve done. The knee was a specific tweak in BJJ a few months back that didn’t hurt when I did it, but started to get uncomfortable a few weeks later.
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
what I am saying is sometimes shit happens
in groups and it super frustrating but there is an underlying pathology (sometimes)
that is retarded as sleeping postion aggravating a variety of shit.
I wish I had stayed in school for chiro, but that wasnt going to happen either.
I know this sucks.
It gets better.
My right arm is like 90%
my left will get there.
so will yours.[/quote]
I’m still thinking so. I’m concerned though, which usually I’m not.
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
See what the ortho says, also don’t be afraid
to try or see other types of reasonable opinions but not all at once- I have read allot on this sight from Eric Cressey and Mike Robertson that has confirmed some of what I think is happening to me, and helped me find ways to improve.
[/quote]
Sounds like a plan! Thanks for the support and encouragement!
BTW, is anybody else having random trouble getting to the end of threads? Often I sign on and it won’t let me read the last page or two of posts in a thread. I think Hel mentioned this a while back, too … you just get dumped at the reply box and when you dial back, the tread ends about 3-4 weeks prior! Odd stuff!
Cappy
[quote]Capacity wrote:
BTW, is anybody else having random trouble getting to the end of threads? Often I sign on and it won’t let me read the last page or two of posts in a thread. I think Hel mentioned this a while back, too … you just get dumped at the reply box and when you dial back, the tread ends about 3-4 weeks prior! Odd stuff!
Cappy
[/quote]
Happens randomly to me as well on multiple computers. Usually goes away after a while.
Good to hear from you…
OK, here’s the low down:
Right knee: Probably a meniscus tear. The doc says “probably” because I’m not forking over the $$$ to do an MRI (Huge deductible) unless it starts to get unstable. It’s not unstable … it just hurts. I can live with the level of pain and inconvenience. It’s not awful, its just not great. She says no deep knee bends or lunges. Yeah, right. Screw that.
Right arm: Distal bicepial tendinitis. Translation: Inflamation in the tendon that allows pronation/supination and flexion and extension. Basically, I may as well just go ahead and amputate 'cause there’s no treatment and no guarantee it will ever improve. Common in athletes. The recommendation is for 10-12 appointments of PT. The wait for that is 4 weeks. They’re not sure how much it will do for me, but it’s better than giving me a saw. So far it hasn’t improved at all in 4 months, not even with a concerted effort to really pamper it.
Cardio stuff is still kickin’ it. Did legs today.
I’m really not sure how to cope with all this crap and as a result, my world is a little messed up. I’m sure I’ll figure something out.
That’s all, folks.
Cappy
[quote]Capacity wrote:
I’m really not sure how to cope with all this crap and as a result, my world is a little messed up. I’m sure I’ll figure something out.
That’s all, folks.
Cappy
[/quote]
I have no doubt you will grab this tiger and take a can of whup ass out on it. Good to hear from you. We’re all behind ya!
[quote]Capacity wrote:
OK, here’s the low down:
Right knee: Probably a meniscus tear. The doc says “probably” because I’m not forking over the $$$ to do an MRI (Huge deductible) unless it starts to get unstable. It’s not unstable … it just hurts. I can live with the level of pain and inconvenience. It’s not awful, its just not great. She says no deep knee bends or lunges. Yeah, right. Screw that.
Right arm: Distal bicepial tendinitis. Translation: Inflamation in the tendon that allows pronation/supination and flexion and extension. Basically, I may as well just go ahead and amputate 'cause there’s no treatment and no guarantee it will ever improve. Common in athletes. The recommendation is for 10-12 appointments of PT. The wait for that is 4 weeks. They’re sure how much it will do for me, but it’s better than giving me a saw. So far it hasn’t improved at all in 4 months, not even with a concerted effort to really pamper it.
Cardio stuff is still kickin’it. Did legs today.
I’m really not sure how to cope with all this crap and as a result, my world is a little messed up. I’m sure I’ll figure something out.
That’s all, folks.
Cappy
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I’m surprised that a cortisone injection wasn’t suggested. We all live in a messed up world to one degree or another. Take care - and as
j_willy said - we’re sure you’ll get past this situation in time.
George
[quote]soldog wrote:
I’m surprised that a cortisone injection wasn’t suggested.[/quote]
Nope. Cortisone can weaken tendons and cause them to rupture. Can’t even consider it.
[quote]We all live in a messed up world to one degree or another. Take care - and as
j_willy said - we’re sure you’ll get past this situation in time.
[/quote]
Thanks guys! I’m trying to keep a positive outlook and keep my eye on the big picture. Sometimes I do OK and other times … well, not so.
Cappy
Cappy - sorry to hear that you’re going through some turbulence…
I know the feeling of ‘devastating injury’ when I blew my L5-S1 out a couple years ago. Couldn’t walk, couldn’t sit, couldn’t roll over…
One doc said I’d never squat again (since have PR’d 400+ Ass2Grass). Ironically, her assistant said something to me that still resonates:
“Just remember: You Will Heal”
I went to 3 chiros before I found the ‘right’ one, that is, one in-line with my goals and interests.
It can’t hurt to get 2nd and 3rd opinions and from different types of docs: MD’s, DO’s, Chiros, etc.
Certainly seek one out that bills themselves as ‘sports medicine’ or ‘sports oriented’. I wouldn’t trust my family doctor with that burden, but my chiro and ART guy (also a DC) have my complete trust and I’ve done well listening to them amd listening to my body.
Just remember: You will heal. 
Good luck!
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Cappy - sorry to hear that you’re going through some turbulence…
I know the feeling of ‘devastating injury’ when I blew my L5-S1 out a couple years ago. Couldn’t walk, couldn’t sit, couldn’t roll over…
One doc said I’d never squat again (since have PR’d 400+ Ass2Grass). Ironically, her assistant said something to me that still resonates:
“Just remember: You Will Heal”[/quote]
It’s not the “healing” I’m worried about, it’s the level of function afterwords. I’m generally an optimist, not a worrier. But this has me thinking about what happens down the line … and that’s IF things improve. I can’t pretend I’m a naive, risk-everything, 20 or 30-something year-old. Hell, even without the injuries I’m already at the stage where shit is just plain starting to hurt from so many years of training so damn hard. (Yes, years of lifting heavy weights eventually WILL catch up with you and kick your ass. Count on it … even if you did everything “right!”)
Yes, I’ve had that experience too.
[quote]It can’t hurt to get 2nd and 3rd opinions and from different types of docs: MD’s, DO’s, Chiros, etc.
Certainly seek one out that bills themselves as ‘sports medicine’ or ‘sports oriented’. I wouldn’t trust my family doctor with that burden, but my chiro and ART guy (also a DC) have my complete trust and I’ve done well listening to them amd listening to my body.[/quote]
Yanno, you’re right! With a month to kill before the PT sees me, I got a listing of all the ART certified docs (DCs) in my state (4) and called around. I have a consultation appointment with one on Friday. The office is quite a haul, but I’m game if it will be worthwhile.
Meanwhile, stim, ice, massage, and rest.
I’ll let everyone know how it goes Friday!
Thanks!
Cappy
Good luck, Cappy, hopefully you will get the good new you deserve.
kmc
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
Good luck, Cappy, hopefully you will get the good new you deserve.
kmc[/quote]
Thanks KM! Truth of the matter is, I’m trying to face the fact that my Muay Thai training is probably done. BJJ might be too, more so due the the knee issue than the arm … but I’m no expert there. Hell, I figure I’ll be doing pretty good if I can just recover the ability to lift like I was. Sorta. I’ll even settle for maintenance training if I have to. That’s better than nothing.
We’ll see.
Cappy
Had an eval today by a DC who does ART. He’s not sure if ART will resolve the issue, but I’ve decided it’s worth a shot. It’s a LONG drive and insurance won’t cover it so I’ll give it a couple of treatments per week for a few weeks and see where we stand. I have a month wait to get into the PT anyhow, so I have nothing to lose. If it’s not any better by then, then I’m going to need an MRI to see what’s going on.
Cappy
[quote]Capacity wrote:
Had an eval today by a DC who does ART. He’s not sure if ART will resolve the issue, but I’ve decided it’s worth a shot. It’s a LONG drive and insurance won’t cover it so I’ll give it a couple of treatments per week for a few weeks and see where we stand. I have a month wait to get into the PT anyhow, so I have nothing to lose. If it’s not any better by then, then I’m going to need an MRI to see what’s going on.
Cappy[/quote]
One thing about ART, even if it isn’t what you need, chiros with the certification sure seem to be better than those without.
When my car caught on fire last year (I was rear ended, knocked five-six feet and then the car caught fire), it only took two chiro visits to solve my problems that were keeping me from sleeping.
[quote]Capacity wrote:
It’s not the “healing” I’m worried about, it’s the level of function afterwords. I’m generally an optimist, not a worrier. But this has me thinking about what happens down the line … and that’s IF things improve. I can’t pretend I’m a naive, risk-everything, 20 or 30-something year-old. Hell, even without the injuries I’m already at the stage where shit is just plain starting to hurt from so many years of training so damn hard. (Yes, years of lifting heavy weights eventually WILL catch up with you and kick your ass. Count on it … even if you did everything “right!”)
…
Cappy
[/quote]
One of the reasons a lot of people transition to body weight exercises, horseback riding and Tai Chi.
Cappy
sounds like a sound plan.
we are all reading here and supporting you.
Lets see what the DC can do for you.
good luck
kmc