Fruits...Eat Them or Not??

Nutrition
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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Einzakin wrote:

[quote]MODOK wrote:
The thing that I would love to see mandated is if someone is spewing “advice” saying fruit is “very good” or any other retarded over-used and completely unsupported so-called fact is they should be required to post a picture of this body of adonis that they have built using the advice they are giving.

And support this bullshit statement that “fruit is very, very good for you”. What fruit? Apples? Mango? Avocado? Banana? Tomato? What do you mean “good” for you? Phytonutrients? Does a fruit provide any of these phytonutrients that you cannot get from other means? Vegetables? Meats? The answer is no. One can get everything they need to be vigorously healthy and never touch a fruit.

Oh, I’m sure you will go digging for a study…a study which took a group off of the dog shit western diet of waffles, ice cream, soda, and jelly beans and put them on fruit and behold they improve in health in some manner. That only proves the western diet’s shortcomings. In order to prove fruit is the greatest, you have to take a group of people who are already eating a great diet WITHOUT fruit, put them on fruit, measure the outcomes, then possibly bring them off of fruit and measure the outcomes. Of course this will never happen in a million years.

In short, you cannot say that someone who eats fruit is in any way healthier than someone who shuns fruit and instead eats only lots of vegetables. Telling people they are “very very good for them” may lead people to believe they HAVE to include fruit in their diet which, depending upon the amount and type, could cause them to lose their physique goals.

The take home message is- know what you are putting in your mouth and exactly what it will do when its in your body. Don’t do it because some so-called expert or the general consensus says its “good for you”. It may, it may not, and you might find a much BETTER choice without the physique-muting effects of some of the fruits they are espousing.[/quote]

I get what you’re saying, but there’s so many different studies showing different benefits that it’s pointless to start bringing in a bunch of studies that people won’t read anyway.

Besides, there’s things in fruit that haven’t even been discovered yet, so explaining what exactly in the fruit is impossible. In a couple years there will be new chemicals found that improve this or that.

And I agree, it’s different for everyone, so go with how you are feeling and what you are looking to do. The problem is many people are scared and have NO IDEA what they are doing. So whether you think fruit is good or not, I, along with many others, believe it’s good. It’s natural, full of vitamins and minerals, so I don’t think it’s bad advice recommending fruit to people.
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THe picture of yourself didnt upload.

It was probably too large. Try resizing it.

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Good one man, I see you took some time to think about what to say.

I don’t upload photos, not a big fan of my photos on the net.

I’m 5’10ish 165. So does this change whether or not you will listen to what I say?
Because I’m already done listening to you, you have a knack for being wrong.

Edit: Already told you what I am - I see you took some time to look it up. Only a compete moron will take weight and height into consideration when deciding whether to listen to someone. Good job man you are like 25 pounds heavier than me, too bad you can’t add to your brain. We aren’t
cavemen, just because you are bigger does not mean you know shit. So I didn’t insult anyone, just saying you’re kind of a douche and think because you’re bigger you get more say or something.

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Good one man, I see you took some time to think about what to say.

I don’t upload photos, not a big fan of my photos on the net.

I’m 5’10ish 165. So does this change whether or not you will listen to what I say?
Because I’m already done listening to you, you have a knack for being wrong.

Edit: Already told you what I am - I see you took some time to look it up. Only a compete moron will take weight and height into consideration when deciding whether to listen to someone. Good job man you are like 25 pounds heavier than me, too bad you can’t add to your brain. We aren’t
cavemen, just because you are bigger does not mean you know shit. So I didn’t insult anyone, just saying you’re kind of a douche and think because you’re bigger you get more say or something.[/quote]

Generally speaking… I mean I’m just throwing this out there… but on a website that is dedicated to bodybuilding, powerlifting, fitness, nutrition, etc… It’s probably no unreasonable to consider listening to those who are bigger, stronger, and more experienced than you. I would definitely take height and weight into consideration before I take nutrition advice from someone on attaining my goals. I don’t want to listen to someone who hasn’t achieved.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Einzakin wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Einzakin wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Mateus wrote:

[quote]Brotha123 wrote:
Hey guys what are your takes on fruit? Is it okay to eat or not…i train mma 4-5 days aweek and lift weight wendlers 5/3/1 4days a week…just confused about them and fructose [/quote]

This train wreck has spiraled away from the original question. Dude, go ahead and eat the fruit. It has its benefits and as long as you are not eating a ton of it you will be fine. Small amounts of fructose from fruit sources along with other smart carb sources will help with glycogen stores. [/quote]

I agree.

I eat a piece of fruit almost everyday. I would not recommend that to someone looking to drop bodyfat. Cutting fruit may be a very easy way to tighten up a diet and the lost micro nutrients and phytochemicals can be made up for with vegetables.

edited[/quote]

I would definitely recommend it to someone looking to drop bodyfat. While rawvegan and 30 bananas a day are definitely not the best diet for humans, they definitely help you drop bodyfat. You cannot get fat by just eating fruit, I have seen it time and time again.

I know you think fructose is fructose, but it’s not. Fructose in fruit is combined with other things that help the body absorb it and use it better. When it is extracted and used alone ofcourse it is bad. All foods have things in them that when extracted alone are terrible for you and even poisonous.

Fruit is great, for anyone, especially those trying to lose weight. Rice, potatoes, wheat/grains, processed foods and sugar are the things to avoid.
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April fools was 3 days ago. [/quote]

Actually there bud, I think you’re the one who has bad debate skills. You told people to avoid sugar if they are trying to lose weight, which is NOT good advice.

You seem to be speaking a lot out of your ass, and if someone proves you wrong you get mad at them.

Anyways the point is, Fruit is very good for you, and YES people did say sugar is bad. So maybe read a little first before calling people out.
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Bonez knows quit a bit - he just has a habit of misreading posts and insulting people based on his misinterpretation or hair splitting. For example, in your second to last sentence, you need to specify between “sugar is bad” and “sugar is unhealthy” and “sugar contributes to body fat” and a whole host of other things.[/quote]

THis is correct. Im glad I didnt have to explain such a simple concept.

But you were certainly the first to toss insults around. There was no reason for it and you brought the rest upon yourself. [/quote]

Um. I think the part you’re saying is correct was actually about you splitting hairs unnecessarily.

Point being, you could stand to be a bit more generous and less militant in your interpretations - yes, there is a difference between “is unhealthy” and “is bad for you” and “negatively impacts performance” and “will result in excess body fat”, but each is generally similar enough to be (in most cases) synonomous.

Also, yes, between us, I was. However, I would say you were the first in the thread to be insulting (calling another poster “ignorant”).

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[quote]Curran wrote:
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Good one man, I see you took some time to think about what to say.

I don’t upload photos, not a big fan of my photos on the net.

I’m 5’10ish 165. So does this change whether or not you will listen to what I say?
Because I’m already done listening to you, you have a knack for being wrong.

Edit: Already told you what I am - I see you took some time to look it up. Only a compete moron will take weight and height into consideration when deciding whether to listen to someone. Good job man you are like 25 pounds heavier than me, too bad you can’t add to your brain. We aren’t
cavemen, just because you are bigger does not mean you know shit. So I didn’t insult anyone, just saying you’re kind of a douche and think because you’re bigger you get more say or something.[/quote]

Generally speaking… I mean I’m just throwing this out there… but on a website that is dedicated to bodybuilding, powerlifting, fitness, nutrition, etc… It’s probably no unreasonable to consider listening to those who are bigger, stronger, and more experienced than you. I would definitely take height and weight into consideration before I take nutrition advice from someone on attaining my goals. I don’t want to listen to someone who hasn’t achieved.[/quote]

Totally agree with what you’re saying, and I try to listen to people around here. Not those who just insult everytime someone does not agree with them. I know alot about nutrition etc. , but it is just now that I am getting big into body building.

When talking about fruit it does not take a 200 pound person to understand it.

I also may be 165, but that does not mean I am small or weak. So if that’s what you are assuming, I guess it’s a fair assumption haha, but I am not tiny.

Anyways Bonez just seems to think because he’s big he knows something. You don’t have to be nutritious to get big, you just need to eat big and lift. I know some are interested in getting big the healthy way, so I try to take advice from people who know their stuff and are not just looking to butt heads.

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I “totally agree” with what you’re saying too but if you know “a lot” about nutrition and you’re just now getting into body building maybe you should get big first and then come back and share what you’ve learned. Because no matter how many articles you’ve read it doesn’t mean shit and someone who has actually gone out and done something (like Bonez) whether he ate g’damn fruit or not has a lot more sway. Your last sentence implies that Bonez or MODOK don’t “know their stuff” and are on this forum to detract from other peoples progress. I think that is a gross misunderstanding of their contributions and attitude toward other people on this site.

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[quote]Einzakin wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Einzakin wrote:

[quote]MODOK wrote:
The thing that I would love to see mandated is if someone is spewing “advice” saying fruit is “very good” or any other retarded over-used and completely unsupported so-called fact is they should be required to post a picture of this body of adonis that they have built using the advice they are giving.

And support this bullshit statement that “fruit is very, very good for you”. What fruit? Apples? Mango? Avocado? Banana? Tomato? What do you mean “good” for you? Phytonutrients? Does a fruit provide any of these phytonutrients that you cannot get from other means? Vegetables? Meats? The answer is no. One can get everything they need to be vigorously healthy and never touch a fruit.

Oh, I’m sure you will go digging for a study…a study which took a group off of the dog shit western diet of waffles, ice cream, soda, and jelly beans and put them on fruit and behold they improve in health in some manner. That only proves the western diet’s shortcomings. In order to prove fruit is the greatest, you have to take a group of people who are already eating a great diet WITHOUT fruit, put them on fruit, measure the outcomes, then possibly bring them off of fruit and measure the outcomes. Of course this will never happen in a million years.

In short, you cannot say that someone who eats fruit is in any way healthier than someone who shuns fruit and instead eats only lots of vegetables. Telling people they are “very very good for them” may lead people to believe they HAVE to include fruit in their diet which, depending upon the amount and type, could cause them to lose their physique goals.

The take home message is- know what you are putting in your mouth and exactly what it will do when its in your body. Don’t do it because some so-called expert or the general consensus says its “good for you”. It may, it may not, and you might find a much BETTER choice without the physique-muting effects of some of the fruits they are espousing.[/quote]

I get what you’re saying, but there’s so many different studies showing different benefits that it’s pointless to start bringing in a bunch of studies that people won’t read anyway.

Besides, there’s things in fruit that haven’t even been discovered yet, so explaining what exactly in the fruit is impossible. In a couple years there will be new chemicals found that improve this or that.

And I agree, it’s different for everyone, so go with how you are feeling and what you are looking to do. The problem is many people are scared and have NO IDEA what they are doing. So whether you think fruit is good or not, I, along with many others, believe it’s good. It’s natural, full of vitamins and minerals, so I don’t think it’s bad advice recommending fruit to people.
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THe picture of yourself didnt upload.

It was probably too large. Try resizing it.

[/quote]

Good one man, I see you took some time to think about what to say.

I don’t upload photos, not a big fan of my photos on the net.

I’m 5’10ish 165. So does this change whether or not you will listen to what I say?
Because I’m already done listening to you, you have a knack for being wrong.

Edit: Already told you what I am - I see you took some time to look it up. Only a compete moron will take weight and height into consideration when deciding whether to listen to someone. Good job man you are like 25 pounds heavier than me, too bad you can’t add to your brain. We aren’t
cavemen, just because you are bigger does not mean you know shit. So I didn’t insult anyone, just saying you’re kind of a douche and think because you’re bigger you get more say or something.[/quote]

Youre the one that mentioned your height and weight.

I simply asked for a photo. I know all too well that numbers are deceiving, which is why I think you should show how your knowledge/experience led to a dominant physique.

Btw, Im about 30lbs heavier than you and 3 inches shorter, since you brought it up. I dont want you to develop my knack for being wrong.

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[quote]Curran wrote:
I “totally agree” with what you’re saying too but if you know “a lot” about nutrition and you’re just now getting into body building maybe you should get big first and then come back and share what you’ve learned. Because no matter how many articles you’ve read it doesn’t mean shit and someone who has actually gone out and done something (like Bonez) whether he ate g’damn fruit or not has a lot more sway. Your last sentence implies that Bonez or MODOK don’t “know their stuff” and are on this forum to detract from other peoples progress. I think that is a gross misunderstanding of their contributions and attitude toward other people on this site.[/quote]

First of all, I did not say anything about Modok. I respect what he says, so don’t put words in my mouth.

Second, I’m not looking to get huge, I want to gain some lean muscle and I think this is the best place to come when looking for certain ideas, routines, and supplements.

Btw, I’ve competed my whole life. I have lifted for a long time, but my goals were different. So just because I have different goals than you, does not mean anything.

Stop saying “their”, because I was only talking about one person who seems to enjoy conflict. Anyways, I wasn’t trying to cause problems, just didn’t appreciate the tone from someone. So you keep pursuing your goals and I will not tell you anything, I was just trying to offer my part, which is what a forum is for.

Edit: Bonez, you did mention my weight, and implied I am a pencil neck. The thing is you edited your comment to make it look like you didn’t post one of my threads talking about my weight/height. You’re pretty clever aren’t you.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Einzakin wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Einzakin wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Mateus wrote:

[quote]Brotha123 wrote:
Hey guys what are your takes on fruit? Is it okay to eat or not…i train mma 4-5 days aweek and lift weight wendlers 5/3/1 4days a week…just confused about them and fructose [/quote]

This train wreck has spiraled away from the original question. Dude, go ahead and eat the fruit. It has its benefits and as long as you are not eating a ton of it you will be fine. Small amounts of fructose from fruit sources along with other smart carb sources will help with glycogen stores. [/quote]

I agree.

I eat a piece of fruit almost everyday. I would not recommend that to someone looking to drop bodyfat. Cutting fruit may be a very easy way to tighten up a diet and the lost micro nutrients and phytochemicals can be made up for with vegetables.

edited[/quote]

I would definitely recommend it to someone looking to drop bodyfat. While rawvegan and 30 bananas a day are definitely not the best diet for humans, they definitely help you drop bodyfat. You cannot get fat by just eating fruit, I have seen it time and time again.

I know you think fructose is fructose, but it’s not. Fructose in fruit is combined with other things that help the body absorb it and use it better. When it is extracted and used alone ofcourse it is bad. All foods have things in them that when extracted alone are terrible for you and even poisonous.

Fruit is great, for anyone, especially those trying to lose weight. Rice, potatoes, wheat/grains, processed foods and sugar are the things to avoid.
[/quote]

April fools was 3 days ago. [/quote]

Actually there bud, I think you’re the one who has bad debate skills. You told people to avoid sugar if they are trying to lose weight, which is NOT good advice.

You seem to be speaking a lot out of your ass, and if someone proves you wrong you get mad at them.

Anyways the point is, Fruit is very good for you, and YES people did say sugar is bad. So maybe read a little first before calling people out.
[/quote]

Bonez knows quit a bit - he just has a habit of misreading posts and insulting people based on his misinterpretation or hair splitting. For example, in your second to last sentence, you need to specify between “sugar is bad” and “sugar is unhealthy” and “sugar contributes to body fat” and a whole host of other things.[/quote]

THis is correct. Im glad I didnt have to explain such a simple concept.

But you were certainly the first to toss insults around. There was no reason for it and you brought the rest upon yourself. [/quote]

Um. I think the part you’re saying is correct was actually about you splitting hairs unnecessarily.

Point being, you could stand to be a bit more generous and less militant in your interpretations - yes, there is a difference between “is unhealthy” and “is bad for you” and “negatively impacts performance” and “will result in excess body fat”, but each is generally similar enough to be (in most cases) synonomous.

Also, yes, between us, I was. However, I would say you were the first in the thread to be insulting (calling another poster “ignorant”).

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I guess Oleena is your e-crush or something. I dont see how something I said to someone else is relevant to you. She doesnt need a knight in shining armor. Certainly not a bumbling one like you. I didnt call HER ignorant btw. The substance of the post was ignorant. You read what you wanted to read. Youre just as close minded as any other human. You read my post, had a preconceived notion about it and didnt think twice about an alternative.

And no, those 4 things are absolutely not synonymous. The OP specificlally talked about dropping bodyfat. I have no idea why talk of general health even came up. If they were synonymous why would you tell the other guy that he should specify which he means???

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[quote]Einzakin wrote:

Totally agree with what you’re saying, and I try to listen to people around here. Not those who just insult everytime someone does not agree with them. [/quote]

Did a stiff breeze knock you over and leave you with a concussion? I was insulted first.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Einzakin wrote:

Totally agree with what you’re saying, and I try to listen to people around here. Not those who just insult everytime someone does not agree with them. [/quote]

Did a stiff breeze knock you over and leave you with a concussion? I was insulted first. [/quote]

Yeah that’s exactly what happened man. Not sure if you have a Napoleon Complex or something or you’re just bored and enjoy conflict? Anyways, I’m going to get back to class.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Einzakin wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Einzakin wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Mateus wrote:

[quote]Brotha123 wrote:
Hey guys what are your takes on fruit? Is it okay to eat or not…i train mma 4-5 days aweek and lift weight wendlers 5/3/1 4days a week…just confused about them and fructose [/quote]

This train wreck has spiraled away from the original question. Dude, go ahead and eat the fruit. It has its benefits and as long as you are not eating a ton of it you will be fine. Small amounts of fructose from fruit sources along with other smart carb sources will help with glycogen stores. [/quote]

I agree.

I eat a piece of fruit almost everyday. I would not recommend that to someone looking to drop bodyfat. Cutting fruit may be a very easy way to tighten up a diet and the lost micro nutrients and phytochemicals can be made up for with vegetables.

edited[/quote]

I would definitely recommend it to someone looking to drop bodyfat. While rawvegan and 30 bananas a day are definitely not the best diet for humans, they definitely help you drop bodyfat. You cannot get fat by just eating fruit, I have seen it time and time again.

I know you think fructose is fructose, but it’s not. Fructose in fruit is combined with other things that help the body absorb it and use it better. When it is extracted and used alone ofcourse it is bad. All foods have things in them that when extracted alone are terrible for you and even poisonous.

Fruit is great, for anyone, especially those trying to lose weight. Rice, potatoes, wheat/grains, processed foods and sugar are the things to avoid.
[/quote]

April fools was 3 days ago. [/quote]

Actually there bud, I think you’re the one who has bad debate skills. You told people to avoid sugar if they are trying to lose weight, which is NOT good advice.

You seem to be speaking a lot out of your ass, and if someone proves you wrong you get mad at them.

Anyways the point is, Fruit is very good for you, and YES people did say sugar is bad. So maybe read a little first before calling people out.
[/quote]

Bonez knows quit a bit - he just has a habit of misreading posts and insulting people based on his misinterpretation or hair splitting. For example, in your second to last sentence, you need to specify between “sugar is bad” and “sugar is unhealthy” and “sugar contributes to body fat” and a whole host of other things.[/quote]

THis is correct. Im glad I didnt have to explain such a simple concept.

But you were certainly the first to toss insults around. There was no reason for it and you brought the rest upon yourself. [/quote]

Um. I think the part you’re saying is correct was actually about you splitting hairs unnecessarily.

Point being, you could stand to be a bit more generous and less militant in your interpretations - yes, there is a difference between “is unhealthy” and “is bad for you” and “negatively impacts performance” and “will result in excess body fat”, but each is generally similar enough to be (in most cases) synonomous.

Also, yes, between us, I was. However, I would say you were the first in the thread to be insulting (calling another poster “ignorant”).

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I guess Oleena is your e-crush or something. I dont see how something I said to someone else is relevant to you. She doesnt need a knight in shining armor. Certainly not a bumbling one like you. I didnt call HER ignorant btw. The substance of the post was ignorant. You read what you wanted to read. Youre just as close minded as any other human. You read my post, had a preconceived notion about it and didnt think twice about an alternative.

And no, those 4 things are absolutely not synonymous. The OP specificlally talked about dropping bodyfat. I have no idea why talk of general health even came up. If they were synonymous why would you tell the other guy that he should specify which he means??? [/quote]

I’m sure there are no personal attacks or insults in this post either.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Einzakin wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Einzakin wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Mateus wrote:

[quote]Brotha123 wrote:
Hey guys what are your takes on fruit? Is it okay to eat or not…i train mma 4-5 days aweek and lift weight wendlers 5/3/1 4days a week…just confused about them and fructose [/quote]

This train wreck has spiraled away from the original question. Dude, go ahead and eat the fruit. It has its benefits and as long as you are not eating a ton of it you will be fine. Small amounts of fructose from fruit sources along with other smart carb sources will help with glycogen stores. [/quote]

I agree.

I eat a piece of fruit almost everyday. I would not recommend that to someone looking to drop bodyfat. Cutting fruit may be a very easy way to tighten up a diet and the lost micro nutrients and phytochemicals can be made up for with vegetables.

edited[/quote]

I would definitely recommend it to someone looking to drop bodyfat. While rawvegan and 30 bananas a day are definitely not the best diet for humans, they definitely help you drop bodyfat. You cannot get fat by just eating fruit, I have seen it time and time again.

I know you think fructose is fructose, but it’s not. Fructose in fruit is combined with other things that help the body absorb it and use it better. When it is extracted and used alone ofcourse it is bad. All foods have things in them that when extracted alone are terrible for you and even poisonous.

Fruit is great, for anyone, especially those trying to lose weight. Rice, potatoes, wheat/grains, processed foods and sugar are the things to avoid.
[/quote]

April fools was 3 days ago. [/quote]

Actually there bud, I think you’re the one who has bad debate skills. You told people to avoid sugar if they are trying to lose weight, which is NOT good advice.

You seem to be speaking a lot out of your ass, and if someone proves you wrong you get mad at them.

Anyways the point is, Fruit is very good for you, and YES people did say sugar is bad. So maybe read a little first before calling people out.
[/quote]

Bonez knows quit a bit - he just has a habit of misreading posts and insulting people based on his misinterpretation or hair splitting. For example, in your second to last sentence, you need to specify between “sugar is bad” and “sugar is unhealthy” and “sugar contributes to body fat” and a whole host of other things.[/quote]

THis is correct. Im glad I didnt have to explain such a simple concept.

But you were certainly the first to toss insults around. There was no reason for it and you brought the rest upon yourself. [/quote]

Um. I think the part you’re saying is correct was actually about you splitting hairs unnecessarily.

Point being, you could stand to be a bit more generous and less militant in your interpretations - yes, there is a difference between “is unhealthy” and “is bad for you” and “negatively impacts performance” and “will result in excess body fat”, but each is generally similar enough to be (in most cases) synonomous.

Also, yes, between us, I was. However, I would say you were the first in the thread to be insulting (calling another poster “ignorant”).

[/quote]

I guess Oleena is your e-crush or something. I dont see how something I said to someone else is relevant to you. She doesnt need a knight in shining armor. Certainly not a bumbling one like you. I didnt call HER ignorant btw. The substance of the post was ignorant. You read what you wanted to read. Youre just as close minded as any other human. You read my post, had a preconceived notion about it and didnt think twice about an alternative.

And no, those 4 things are absolutely not synonymous. The OP specificlally talked about dropping bodyfat. I have no idea why talk of general health even came up. If they were synonymous why would you tell the other guy that he should specify which he means??? [/quote]

I’m sure there are no personal attacks or insults in this post either.[/quote]

Oh there certainly are. But you still cant answer my question, can you? (It’s italicized, in case you missed it)

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Einzakin wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Einzakin wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Mateus wrote:

[quote]Brotha123 wrote:
Hey guys what are your takes on fruit? Is it okay to eat or not…i train mma 4-5 days aweek and lift weight wendlers 5/3/1 4days a week…just confused about them and fructose [/quote]

This train wreck has spiraled away from the original question. Dude, go ahead and eat the fruit. It has its benefits and as long as you are not eating a ton of it you will be fine. Small amounts of fructose from fruit sources along with other smart carb sources will help with glycogen stores. [/quote]

I agree.

I eat a piece of fruit almost everyday. I would not recommend that to someone looking to drop bodyfat. Cutting fruit may be a very easy way to tighten up a diet and the lost micro nutrients and phytochemicals can be made up for with vegetables.

edited[/quote]

I would definitely recommend it to someone looking to drop bodyfat. While rawvegan and 30 bananas a day are definitely not the best diet for humans, they definitely help you drop bodyfat. You cannot get fat by just eating fruit, I have seen it time and time again.

I know you think fructose is fructose, but it’s not. Fructose in fruit is combined with other things that help the body absorb it and use it better. When it is extracted and used alone ofcourse it is bad. All foods have things in them that when extracted alone are terrible for you and even poisonous.

Fruit is great, for anyone, especially those trying to lose weight. Rice, potatoes, wheat/grains, processed foods and sugar are the things to avoid.
[/quote]

April fools was 3 days ago. [/quote]

Actually there bud, I think you’re the one who has bad debate skills. You told people to avoid sugar if they are trying to lose weight, which is NOT good advice.

You seem to be speaking a lot out of your ass, and if someone proves you wrong you get mad at them.

Anyways the point is, Fruit is very good for you, and YES people did say sugar is bad. So maybe read a little first before calling people out.
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Bonez knows quit a bit - he just has a habit of misreading posts and insulting people based on his misinterpretation or hair splitting. For example, in your second to last sentence, you need to specify between “sugar is bad” and “sugar is unhealthy” and “sugar contributes to body fat” and a whole host of other things.[/quote]

THis is correct. Im glad I didnt have to explain such a simple concept.

But you were certainly the first to toss insults around. There was no reason for it and you brought the rest upon yourself. [/quote]

Um. I think the part you’re saying is correct was actually about you splitting hairs unnecessarily.

Point being, you could stand to be a bit more generous and less militant in your interpretations - yes, there is a difference between “is unhealthy” and “is bad for you” and “negatively impacts performance” and “will result in excess body fat”, but each is generally similar enough to be (in most cases) synonomous.

Also, yes, between us, I was. However, I would say you were the first in the thread to be insulting (calling another poster “ignorant”).

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I guess Oleena is your e-crush or something. I dont see how something I said to someone else is relevant to you. She doesnt need a knight in shining armor. Certainly not a bumbling one like you. I didnt call HER ignorant btw. The substance of the post was ignorant. You read what you wanted to read. Youre just as close minded as any other human. You read my post, had a preconceived notion about it and didnt think twice about an alternative.

And no, those 4 things are absolutely not synonymous. The OP specificlally talked about dropping bodyfat. I have no idea why talk of general health even came up. If they were synonymous why would you tell the other guy that he should specify which he means??? [/quote]

I’m sure there are no personal attacks or insults in this post either.[/quote]

Oh there certainly are. But you still cant answer my question, can you? (It’s italicized, in case you missed it) [/quote]

Actually, they can be synonymous, depending on what you consider healthy and what your performance goals are. Is unhealthy, is bad for you - well hopefully you see this.

Negatively affects performance, well it depends on your performance. If you want to get super huge, which is generally not considered healthy, then these are not synonymous. But if you want to have a good amount of muscle while having a high VO2, then they can be synonymous. Eating something unhealthy may impact these.

As for lowering body fat, anyone with excess body fat is not healthy. But this definitely depends on the time in history. When there is lack of food excess body fat can be a good thing. It will prevent starvation. I’m going to assume there is not, so it is fairly similar with something bad for you, or unhealthy.

As he wrote they are “similar enough”. I can see his point. You on the other hand, I guess can’t? It all depends on your definition of healthy and performance.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

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[quote]Einzakin wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

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[quote]Mateus wrote:

[quote]Brotha123 wrote:
Hey guys what are your takes on fruit? Is it okay to eat or not…i train mma 4-5 days aweek and lift weight wendlers 5/3/1 4days a week…just confused about them and fructose [/quote]

This train wreck has spiraled away from the original question. Dude, go ahead and eat the fruit. It has its benefits and as long as you are not eating a ton of it you will be fine. Small amounts of fructose from fruit sources along with other smart carb sources will help with glycogen stores. [/quote]

I agree.

I eat a piece of fruit almost everyday. I would not recommend that to someone looking to drop bodyfat. Cutting fruit may be a very easy way to tighten up a diet and the lost micro nutrients and phytochemicals can be made up for with vegetables.

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I would definitely recommend it to someone looking to drop bodyfat. While rawvegan and 30 bananas a day are definitely not the best diet for humans, they definitely help you drop bodyfat. You cannot get fat by just eating fruit, I have seen it time and time again.

I know you think fructose is fructose, but it’s not. Fructose in fruit is combined with other things that help the body absorb it and use it better. When it is extracted and used alone ofcourse it is bad. All foods have things in them that when extracted alone are terrible for you and even poisonous.

Fruit is great, for anyone, especially those trying to lose weight. Rice, potatoes, wheat/grains, processed foods and sugar are the things to avoid.
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April fools was 3 days ago. [/quote]

Actually there bud, I think you’re the one who has bad debate skills. You told people to avoid sugar if they are trying to lose weight, which is NOT good advice.

You seem to be speaking a lot out of your ass, and if someone proves you wrong you get mad at them.

Anyways the point is, Fruit is very good for you, and YES people did say sugar is bad. So maybe read a little first before calling people out.
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Bonez knows quit a bit - he just has a habit of misreading posts and insulting people based on his misinterpretation or hair splitting. For example, in your second to last sentence, you need to specify between “sugar is bad” and “sugar is unhealthy” and “sugar contributes to body fat” and a whole host of other things.[/quote]

THis is correct. Im glad I didnt have to explain such a simple concept.

But you were certainly the first to toss insults around. There was no reason for it and you brought the rest upon yourself. [/quote]

Um. I think the part you’re saying is correct was actually about you splitting hairs unnecessarily.

Point being, you could stand to be a bit more generous and less militant in your interpretations - yes, there is a difference between “is unhealthy” and “is bad for you” and “negatively impacts performance” and “will result in excess body fat”, but each is generally similar enough to be (in most cases) synonomous.

Also, yes, between us, I was. However, I would say you were the first in the thread to be insulting (calling another poster “ignorant”).

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I guess Oleena is your e-crush or something. I dont see how something I said to someone else is relevant to you. She doesnt need a knight in shining armor. Certainly not a bumbling one like you. I didnt call HER ignorant btw. The substance of the post was ignorant. You read what you wanted to read. Youre just as close minded as any other human. You read my post, had a preconceived notion about it and didnt think twice about an alternative.

And no, those 4 things are absolutely not synonymous. The OP specificlally talked about dropping bodyfat. I have no idea why talk of general health even came up. If they were synonymous why would you tell the other guy that he should specify which he means??? [/quote]

I’m sure there are no personal attacks or insults in this post either.[/quote]

Oh there certainly are. But you still cant answer my question, can you? (It’s italicized, in case you missed it) [/quote]

I’m just waiting for you to get that I wasnt, in fact telling him that he should specify, but, rather, using that as an example of unnessary specification that your hair-splitting self requires.

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Just for the record, conflict is good! More is learned from that (and so called “arrogance”) than those who’re too timid to voice their opinion for fear of “hurting someone’s feelings” lol

It stands out more. It’s not productive when it gets personal (but that’s inevitable)

If it weren’t for these ones then the forums would be full of fluff and vagueness (or worse, it would resemble www dot bodybuilding dot com).

My input; in the past I have experienced similar results to what some in here have stated about fruit being the main source of carbs (leaner, more energy). But I guess that’s just me and some others (I can eat “crap” and still be lean).

During this phase of mainly fruit for carbs, I didn’t eat THAT much fruit (typically 4-6 portions) and carbs over-all were low (definitely under 150g/day).

It could also be because of lack of dairy and wheat (foods that some are sensitive to and can cause bloating/lethargy).

I would not describe myself as being carb intolerant (another important factor).

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lmfao at downplaying someone being bigger than you like its some kind of coincidence that the person is. clearly if someone is 30lbs heavier at 3 inches shorter, they dont have any type of experience in the game and should shut up about things they dont know about because “we arent cavemen and being big doesnt mean you know anything”

isnt this a BB forum?

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lmfao at downplaying someone being bigger than you like its some kind of coincidence that the person is. clearly if someone is 30lbs heavier at 3 inches shorter, they dont have any type of experience in the game and should shut up about things they dont know about because “we arent cavemen and being big doesnt mean you know anything”

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My goals aren’t to get huge, they’re to get a good amount of muscle while keeping good cardio.

Btw, just because you are big does not mean you eat well etc. Like I said, you can eat a lot of shitty food and still get big. We’re talking about whether we should eat fruit or not, not which routine or supplement to take. He’s the one that used my weight to say what I said was not important, he just deleted it. -I was only responding to him saying that weight had nothing to do with what we were talking about.

I was only saying it does not take a huge person to understand nutrition.

If only some would read… and then give your comments!

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My goals aren’t to get huge, they’re to get a good amount of muscle while keeping good cardio.
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Like that guy ^ ?

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[quote]themanchild wrote:
lmfao at downplaying someone being bigger than you like its some kind of coincidence that the person is. clearly if someone is 30lbs heavier at 3 inches shorter, they dont have any type of experience in the game and should shut up about things they dont know about because “we arent cavemen and being big doesnt mean you know anything”

isnt this a BB forum?[/quote]

I don’t think a person being big necessarily means they “know” any particular thing. There are too many factors, and too many examples of big guys giving bad advice, to safely assume that, just because a guy is big, you should listen to him about one particular topic or another.

Thats not to say you shouldnt listen to the advice a big guy gives, just dont do the “He has big arms, he must know everything” worship routine.