I was wondering if they are used by anyone for an assistance exercise? Are they safe for the shoulder joint? Is the internal rotation of the movement bad for your shoulder? Rick Weil used them and swore by them just wondering what everyone’s thoughts are on the movement.
I honestly spend zero time doing them doing because the front delt (in my case anyway) gets more than enough stimulation through pressing movements, meaning time could be better spent on side and rear delts.
[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:
I honestly spend zero time doing them doing because the front delt (in my case anyway) gets more than enough stimulation through pressing movements, meaning time could be better spent on side and rear delts.[/quote]
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spend the time and energy elsewhere.
Same here I brought my rear delt’s up considerably this past year. I’ve always had shoulder issues, I was wondering what people thought of the movement. Thanks.
Every now and again I’ll throw 'em in a giant set where I’ll do front, side, rear then press without putting the db’s down, but it’s with a super light weight (like 15-20lbs) and done for a pump. Agree with everyone else that I don’t see a need to “push” the move. Better ways to spend your time.
Same as others. Front delts are the least of my worries. Those get used all the time. Rear delts is where I need to be hitting a lot of accessory work.
I’ve tried some front raises in the past and every time they’ve just felt like crap on my shoulders.
Same they don’t feel right for me. Just wondering if I’m missing something, I think bringing up my front squat is a bigger concern!
I do them once a week… superset with side raises and after rear delt/rhomboid work. I never really had any shoulders until I started doing raises, even with my bench and OHP higher than it is now… not that my physique is anything special now.
I push the shoulders down while I do them, which may be wrong.
I do them b/c I currently need them. Recovering from several injuries right now, admittedly… But in the past they’ve actually helped bring my presses up.
I’ve never had any real need to train rear delts to bring them up. Rows and things like that more than took care of that. So I get where the ‘front delts take care of themselves’ folks are coming from, to put it that way.
People are built differently, so absolutes are best avoided.
Using a neutral grip as well as using the dreaded cable crossover station, leaning forward a bit, has worked wonders for my shoulder health.
I find that the very front part of my delt is bony as hell. Going to implement them see what happens.
I do plate raises (12 to 20 reps) and 6 ways (8-10reps) for my shoulder issues. Not too light, just enough weight to be challenging and feel the pump. The shoulders should be pushed down and rotated back.
I’m writing this because training more rear delts, over and back with bands, scapular raises and all the other stuff “prescribed” for shoulder problems have not been beneficial to me. Others with shoulder issues may want to give this a try.
dt79, what kind of shoulder problems do you have? =)
Pain underneath the left front delt that lasts for days if I bring the bar to my chest on incline bench or if I use the smth machine for any kind of benching. I can, however, flat bench everyday and not have any shoulder issues.
The most severe pain comes from any kind of pullup or pulldown with my hands facing away from me if i go all the way down to the stretch position.
Apologies for derailing the thread. Any suggestions on how to rehab my shoulders other than my personal attempts at rehab would be greatly appreciated. 
I actually think there is a ton of value to training the front delts directly. For me, My pressing is ALWAYS derailed by front delt fatigue. So I decided to train them directly, with high reps, to help with my pressing.
I started with front raises, but I found I was cheating too much a-la Branch Warren. Now I use Arnold presses for the front delts. I mean, you can actually progress with these, I feel almost no tricep and the RoM is awesome. Very good lactate training.