[quote]digitalairair wrote:
[quote]sstewart22 wrote:
How much do you weight now?
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195… debating whether or not to get up to 205 if that means more fat and messing up my insulin level (possibly) ?[/quote]
Why do you assume that you will mess up insulin sensitivity by gaining 10 pounds? Were you planning on gaining the weight by consuming massive amounts of Twinkies and Sunny Delight?
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
[quote]sstewart22 wrote:
How much do you weight now?
[/quote]
195… debating whether or not to get up to 205 if that means more fat and messing up my insulin level (possibly) ?[/quote]
Why do you assume that you will mess up insulin sensitivity by gaining 10 pounds? Were you planning on gaining the weight by consuming massive amounts of Twinkies and Sunny Delight?[/quote]
The higher bf% you have the more messed up your insulin level gets.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]super saiyan wrote:
[quote]digitalairair wrote:
[quote]sstewart22 wrote:
How much do you weight now?
[/quote]
195… debating whether or not to get up to 205 if that means more fat and messing up my insulin level (possibly) ?[/quote]
Why do you assume that you will mess up insulin sensitivity by gaining 10 pounds? Were you planning on gaining the weight by consuming massive amounts of Twinkies and Sunny Delight?[/quote]
The higher bf% you have the more messed up your insulin level gets. [/quote]
Wait…so a person with “16% body fat” has “more messed up insulin levels” than the same person at 12%?
Hey Frank, you are looking good and as entertaining as always. I’m always happy to see you’ve posted a new thread.
Also happy to hear it looks like you won’t be spending any time in jail for your stunt, err, living art installation. Please take care of yourself. Life is fun and every day is a gift, unless that life happens to be inside a Chinese prison.
If the only thing keeping you from bulking up further is a worry about your insulin levels, then please stop worrying about them. There is a pretty big difference between a planned, executed bulk and just becoming a sloppy, sedentary fatass with type 2 diabetes. If what you are doing is working for you and you are happy with it, keep going. If you want to lean out and see where you’re at, do that. I have found that the longer I stay at a higher weight, the better “quality” of muscle I seem to have. That’s a weird way to put it, but I have been the same weight for a long time now, yet I continue to make changes toward an ever better physique, am far more dense than I used to be, much leaner year round (always have visible abs now), and I can eat sloppier while maintaining and even continuing to improve my physique. And my blood work always comes back looking great. Granted, I am assisted, but I don’t think the underlying principles are so different.
In any case, I’m positive that if I’d decided to lean out every time I got a little bigger than I ever had, I would not be nearly so far along as I am now. Patience and perseverance win this game.
Oh yeah, and jaw harp is the hardest instrument, you bunch of pussies.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Hey Frank, you are looking good and as entertaining as always. I’m always happy to see you’ve posted a new thread.
Also happy to hear it looks like you won’t be spending any time in jail for your stunt, err, living art installation. Please take care of yourself. Life is fun and every day is a gift, unless that life happens to be inside a Chinese prison.
If the only thing keeping you from bulking up further is a worry about your insulin levels, then please stop worrying about them. There is a pretty big difference between a planned, executed bulk and just becoming a sloppy, sedentary fatass with type 2 diabetes. If what you are doing is working for you and you are happy with it, keep going. If you want to lean out and see where you’re at, do that. I have found that the longer I stay at a higher weight, the better “quality” of muscle I seem to have. That’s a weird way to put it, but I have been the same weight for a long time now, yet I continue to make changes toward an ever better physique, am far more dense than I used to be, much leaner year round (always have visible abs now), and I can eat sloppier while maintaining and even continuing to improve my physique. And my blood work always comes back looking great. Granted, I am assisted, but I don’t think the underlying principles are so different.
In any case, I’m positive that if I’d decided to lean out every time I got a little bigger than I ever had, I would not be nearly so far along as I am now. Patience and perseverance win this game.
Oh yeah, and jaw harp is the hardest instrument, you bunch of pussies. [/quote]
Great post. Agree 100%.
Most of the people talking about insulin levels don’t seem to be basing their comments on actual science anyway.
I would like for one person to prove that insulin levels are somehow driven into the negative as a direct reaction to body fat levels in everyone no matter how fat they are or their activity level or age.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Hey Frank, you are looking good and as entertaining as always. I’m always happy to see you’ve posted a new thread.
Also happy to hear it looks like you won’t be spending any time in jail for your stunt, err, living art installation. Please take care of yourself. Life is fun and every day is a gift, unless that life happens to be inside a Chinese prison.
If the only thing keeping you from bulking up further is a worry about your insulin levels, then please stop worrying about them. There is a pretty big difference between a planned, executed bulk and just becoming a sloppy, sedentary fatass with type 2 diabetes. If what you are doing is working for you and you are happy with it, keep going. If you want to lean out and see where you’re at, do that. I have found that the longer I stay at a higher weight, the better “quality” of muscle I seem to have. That’s a weird way to put it, but I have been the same weight for a long time now, yet I continue to make changes toward an ever better physique, am far more dense than I used to be, much leaner year round (always have visible abs now), and I can eat sloppier while maintaining and even continuing to improve my physique. And my blood work always comes back looking great. Granted, I am assisted, but I don’t think the underlying principles are so different.
In any case, I’m positive that if I’d decided to lean out every time I got a little bigger than I ever had, I would not be nearly so far along as I am now. Patience and perseverance win this game.
Oh yeah, and jaw harp is the hardest instrument, you bunch of pussies. [/quote]
Great post. Agree 100%.
Most of the people talking about insulin levels don’t seem to be basing their comments on actual science anyway.
I would like for one person to prove that insulin levels are somehow driven into the negative as a direct reaction to body fat levels in everyone no matter how fat they are or their activity level or age.[/quote]
You play the harp?
Havent been on in a couple of weeks and this was the first thread I saw. Very cool video Frank… like always.
Looking quite a bit bigger.
EDIT:
Frank is a natural trainee. The same rules dont apply to naturals and assisted lifters. Are the people giving him advice to continue bulking assisted lifters or natty? That would be me only caution to you Frank. Taking advice from assisted lifters as a natural trainee isnt a great idea.
I say you keep bulking if for whatever reason you happen to put on too much fat then just change goals.
Brad Pitt → Bane → King Pin
[quote]gregron wrote:
Havent been on in a couple of weeks and this was the first thread I saw. Very cool video Frank… like always.
Looking quite a bit bigger.
EDIT:
Frank is a natural trainee. The same rules dont apply to naturals and assisted lifters. Are the people giving him advice to continue bulking assisted lifters or natty? That would be me only caution to you Frank. Taking advice from assisted lifters as a natural trainee isnt a great idea.[/quote]
Please explain how, specifically, the advice I offered is less relevant because I happen to use steroids.
It is not a disputed issue that assisted lifters are able to benifit more than natural trainees when it comes to pushing your body weight up (getting softer)
Muscle gain is much slower for nattys than assisted lifters (obvi) If frank attempts to pack on 10 more lbs in a relatively short period of time, the chances of most of that being quality weight (aka muscle) are nill as a natty.
All I said in my original post was for him to consider the source when taking advice. I never specifically mentioned you. He received a lot of advice throughout this thread.
As an assisted lifter would you agree that you can do/get away with things that you never could have done when natural?
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Havent been on in a couple of weeks and this was the first thread I saw. Very cool video Frank… like always.
Looking quite a bit bigger.
EDIT:
Frank is a natural trainee. The same rules dont apply to naturals and assisted lifters. Are the people giving him advice to continue bulking assisted lifters or natty? That would be me only caution to you Frank. Taking advice from assisted lifters as a natural trainee isnt a great idea.[/quote]
Please explain how, specifically, the advice I offered is less relevant because I happen to use steroids. [/quote]
If you need to have it explained to you why steroid users shouldn’t give advice to natural lifters then you have been on them way too long.
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Havent been on in a couple of weeks and this was the first thread I saw. Very cool video Frank… like always.
Looking quite a bit bigger.
EDIT:
Frank is a natural trainee. The same rules dont apply to naturals and assisted lifters. Are the people giving him advice to continue bulking assisted lifters or natty? That would be me only caution to you Frank. Taking advice from assisted lifters as a natural trainee isnt a great idea.[/quote]
Please explain how, specifically, the advice I offered is less relevant because I happen to use steroids. [/quote]
If you need to have it explained to you why steroid users shouldn’t give advice to natural lifters then you have been on them way too long.
[/quote]
(This post is also for Greg)
First, your post is either poorly worded or wrong. Steroid users should not give the same advice to natural users as they would, themselves, follow regarding certain aspects of training.
I was referring above to the issue that Frank was concerned about, which was insulin sensitivity being affected by his continuing to systematically increase his body mass. I am aware that I am going to be dealing with a different set of parameters than he will, but I am not aware of insulin sensitivity in the context of this conversation being one of those parameters. I’m also not saying I am not wrong, but I’d like to see evidence of this being something he’d have to worry about more than I do. As it is, I’m not aware of this. As a matter of fact, I would think I would have more factors to be concerned about as I advance than he would (high cholesterol, possibility of enlarged organs, specifically heart or heart ventricles, going insane and killing my entire family and then myself in a fit of roid rage, grrrr…).
If there IS evidence of this, not a single poster has yet provided it.
Honestly, I see too many posts on this site where someone jumps on a steroid user as if ALL advice that user gives is automatically moot when it comes to natural trainees. It’s not and I think it is often (not necessarily by either of you) an automatic response that makes the poster feel like he looks like he knows what he’s talking about. When really he has no idea.
[quote]gregron wrote:
It is not a disputed issue that assisted lifters are able to benifit more than natural trainees when it comes to pushing your body weight up (getting softer)
Muscle gain is much slower for nattys than assisted lifters (obvi) If frank attempts to pack on 10 more lbs in a relatively short period of time, the chances of most of that being quality weight (aka muscle) are nill as a natty.
All I said in my original post was for him to consider the source when taking advice. I never specifically mentioned you. He received a lot of advice throughout this thread.
As an assisted lifter would you agree that you can do/get away with things that you never could have done when natural?[/quote]
I have no problem with this post, now that you’ve explained it. See my post above for further explanation.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Havent been on in a couple of weeks and this was the first thread I saw. Very cool video Frank… like always.
Looking quite a bit bigger.
EDIT:
Frank is a natural trainee. The same rules dont apply to naturals and assisted lifters. Are the people giving him advice to continue bulking assisted lifters or natty? That would be me only caution to you Frank. Taking advice from assisted lifters as a natural trainee isnt a great idea.[/quote]
Please explain how, specifically, the advice I offered is less relevant because I happen to use steroids. [/quote]
If you need to have it explained to you why steroid users shouldn’t give advice to natural lifters then you have been on them way too long.
[/quote]
(This post is also for Greg)
First, your post is either poorly worded or wrong. Steroid users should not give the same advice to natural users as they would, themselves, follow regarding certain aspects of training.
I was referring above to the issue that Frank was concerned about, which was insulin sensitivity being affected by his continuing to systematically increase his body mass. I am aware that I am going to be dealing with a different set of parameters than he will, but I am not aware of insulin sensitivity in the context of this conversation being one of those parameters. I’m also not saying I am not wrong, but I’d like to see evidence of this being something he’d have to worry about more than I do. As it is, I’m not aware of this. As a matter of fact, I would think I would have more factors to be concerned about as I advance than he would (high cholesterol, possibility of enlarged organs, specifically heart or heart ventricles, going insane and killing my entire family and then myself in a fit of roid rage, grrrr…).
If there IS evidence of this, not a single poster has yet provided it.
Honestly, I see too many posts on this site where someone jumps on a steroid user as if ALL advice that user gives is automatically moot when it comes to natural trainees. It’s not and I think it is often (not necessarily by either of you) an automatic response that makes the poster feel like he looks like he knows what he’s talking about. When really he has no idea.
[/quote]
Firstly my internet grammar isn’t the argument here. Yes its that time for an e-argument.
Firstly this is what made me choke on my apple;
"Granted, I am assisted, but I don’t think the underlying principles are so different. "
The underlying principles being the base principles of exercise or being able to go harder for longer based on genetics and then boosting them with chemicals?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I think drums are pretty hard for the same reason, plus there are four limbs involved instead of just one with the horn and two with the violin. With drumming, there is the added responsibility of doing so with perfect time. Pretty much any other instrumentalist can get away with stretching and compressing the rhythm slightly due to poor timing and it still sounds pretty good.
But it’s really, really obvious when a drummer doesn’t have that innate sense of timing and feel. A tendency to lag slightly or speed up slightly at certain parts only goes unnoticed for the most part if the band as a whole is so fucking good they’re that in tune with each other and can immediately adjust to the slight shifting in rhythm (see: “Immigrant Song” by Led Zeppelin).
Plus, like the violin or the guitar, the drummer can hit every drumhead in a variety of different ways within a beat to produce different sounds, such as ghost notes played on the snare or bass drum, accented notes on anything, flams (which can be played loose or tight), drags, double strokes, triple strokes, etc. rim shots and so on, plus there’s all the different inflections possible on the hi-hat, especially when opened and closed. There’s 1/16th notes accented on the 8th notes, swung notes, triplets, claves and so on. A really creative, skilled drummer with very good feel (John Bonham) can produce a shitload of different sounds with the same basic, single-bass-pedal, 5-piece, one ride, two crash cymbals and a hi-hat type of kit.
Overall, I’d say the drums produce as wide a selection of inflections and sounds as any instrument. Of course, the drums are multiple instruments, but that’s what makes playing them harder than almost any other instrument, in my never-very humble opinion, since a drummer is really playing a bunch of different instruments all at once.[/quote]
Yes, I agree. I have tried to explain this to haughty classical musicians before, but they don’t get it. I have enormous respect for people who can play classical instruments well, but this respect is not usually returned.
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
Firstly my internet grammar isn’t the argument here. Yes its that time for an e-argument.
Firstly this is what made me choke on my apple;
"Granted, I am assisted, but I don’t think the underlying principles are so different. "
The underlying principles being the base principles of exercise or being able to go harder for longer based on genetics and then boosting them with chemicals?
[/quote]
Really, no photos in your hub, and you’re arguing with an advanced lifter (judging by Cortes’ avi)?
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Havent been on in a couple of weeks and this was the first thread I saw. Very cool video Frank… like always.
Looking quite a bit bigger.
EDIT:
Frank is a natural trainee. The same rules dont apply to naturals and assisted lifters. Are the people giving him advice to continue bulking assisted lifters or natty? That would be me only caution to you Frank. Taking advice from assisted lifters as a natural trainee isnt a great idea.[/quote]
Please explain how, specifically, the advice I offered is less relevant because I happen to use steroids. [/quote]
If you need to have it explained to you why steroid users shouldn’t give advice to natural lifters then you have been on them way too long.
[/quote]
(This post is also for Greg)
First, your post is either poorly worded or wrong. Steroid users should not give the same advice to natural users as they would, themselves, follow regarding certain aspects of training.
I was referring above to the issue that Frank was concerned about, which was insulin sensitivity being affected by his continuing to systematically increase his body mass. I am aware that I am going to be dealing with a different set of parameters than he will, but I am not aware of insulin sensitivity in the context of this conversation being one of those parameters. I’m also not saying I am not wrong, but I’d like to see evidence of this being something he’d have to worry about more than I do. As it is, I’m not aware of this. As a matter of fact, I would think I would have more factors to be concerned about as I advance than he would (high cholesterol, possibility of enlarged organs, specifically heart or heart ventricles, going insane and killing my entire family and then myself in a fit of roid rage, grrrr…).
If there IS evidence of this, not a single poster has yet provided it.
Honestly, I see too many posts on this site where someone jumps on a steroid user as if ALL advice that user gives is automatically moot when it comes to natural trainees. It’s not and I think it is often (not necessarily by either of you) an automatic response that makes the poster feel like he looks like he knows what he’s talking about. When really he has no idea.
[/quote]
Firstly my internet grammar isn’t the argument here. Yes its that time for an e-argument.
Firstly this is what made me choke on my apple;
"Granted, I am assisted, but I don’t think the underlying principles are so different. "
The underlying principles being the base principles of exercise or being able to go harder for longer based on genetics and then boosting them with chemicals?
[/quote]
Well grammar obviously does matter, because you are not understanding what I’m getting at, at all.
I’ll say it again, if insulin sensitivity is affected by AAS use, and this is something a natural trainee needs to worry about while bulking, then someone should be able to produce some evidence for it instead of misrepresenting what I suggested, particularly when I already clearly explained I DON’T believe the natural trainees should train exactly the same as users.
[quote]Consul wrote:
[quote]harrypotter wrote:
Firstly my internet grammar isn’t the argument here. Yes its that time for an e-argument.
Firstly this is what made me choke on my apple;
"Granted, I am assisted, but I don’t think the underlying principles are so different. "
The underlying principles being the base principles of exercise or being able to go harder for longer based on genetics and then boosting them with chemicals?
[/quote]
Really, no photos in your hub, and you’re arguing with an advanced lifter (judging by Cortes’ avi)?[/quote]
I see this often. I am not sure how anyone can make the statement that an assisted lifter shouldn’t give advice to an unassisted lifter. What exactly is the logic there?
Steroids increase the rate of anabolism. They don’t change basic biology, people. There was honestly no need what-so-ever to even bring that up in this thread.
People who talk that much should have pictures somewhere.
WAY too many noobs in their early 20s with huge chips on their shoulders around here lately.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
WAY too many noobs in their early 20s with huge chips on their shoulders around here lately. [/quote]
Shut up