[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The Iranians don’t care. They worship death, which they openly state. [/quote]
Please back up your claims. Or at least, - since I know you won’t be able to- elaborate on that “death worshiping” statement.
Bush’s no better, now is he?
You got me at Ann Coulter…
Anyway, I don’t recommend you try that. You are seriously underestimating the Revolutionary Guard. I’ll bet you the US mainland gets hit by their bombs hours after you strike Iran. You’ll take them out eventually but they will respond with explosives and such in your cities. And this time, don’t expect anyone to shed a tear at American deaths.
Do you think Iran should respect the nuclear weapons sanctions placed on it?
Well, it should - sanctions work because they are backed by force. Iran should respect the sanctions if it fears the force backing the sanctions - in this case, yes.
If so, would you also say that America should respect any nuclear weapons sanctions placed on it?
Well, it should - sanctions work because they are backed by force. The US should respect the sanctions if it fears the force backing the sanctions - in this case, no.
Or does your whole argument really boil down to “We can so its ok that we do”?
You fail to distinguish that there are qualitative differences in the countries that own or seek nuclear weapons. Western democracies? Makes more sense. Radical autocracies hell-bent on regional domination by force? Less sense.
And basically your statement is true w/r/t “we can so its ok that we do” - despite wishes to the contrary, in geopolitics, that is how nations behave and always will.[/quote]
Reread your post.
You admit that sanctions are a way of controlling (dominating) a country (region) by force.
Thus meaning all countries that would impose sanctions on another nation are doing exactly what you said indicates that they should NOT have nuclear weapons: being hell-bent on regional domination by force.
As to your last paragraph, its still wrong and should still be spoken out against. I dont care if all the other kids in the playground were doing it, or did it yesterday, or will do it tomorrow.
Anyway, I don’t recommend you try that. You are seriously underestimating the Revolutionary Guard. I’ll bet you the US mainland gets hit by their bombs hours after you strike Iran. You’ll take them out eventually but they will respond with explosives and such in your cities. And this time, don’t expect anyone to shed a tear at American deaths.[/quote]
Having never been in the US Military (not your fault Lixy) you don’t have any clue as to how ridiculous you sound, touting up the Rev. Guard. It’s basically common fact that Middle Eastern countries’ armies are worth shit in combat. This is because most middle eastern countries (Iran having a reputation for being slightly better than the others when it comes to training intensity) train like they fight: Lazily.
They don’t spend countless hours firing their weapons and preparing like the US Military does. Outdated tactics and some firebrand inspiring tv coverage does not make for a force that could even come close to putting up a fight with an invading US ground and air campaign.
We’d (the US) destroy them, no problem. We’d take Tehran in one month or less. Their Rev. Guard would hole themselves up in little outpost towns, and get humiliated, just as the Saddam Fedayeen, Baath Martyrs Brigade and Republican Guard did in '03 when we invaded Iraq.
[quote]lixy wrote:
You are seriously underestimating the Revolutionary Guard. I’ll bet you the US mainland gets hit by their bombs hours after you strike Iran. You’ll take them out eventually but they will respond with explosives and such in your cities. And this time, don’t expect anyone to shed a tear at American deaths.[/quote]
Hmmm…tell us more about what you know about the Revolutionary Guard. You seem to know something about them, more so than I thought.
You also imply that you’d be happy if we were struck.
We know that you’re really not in Sweden and that you’re in the States. Tell us more.
[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Thats the kind of attitude that gets planes flown into buildings.
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You’re misunderstanding.
You were wondering why the U.S. can put sanctions on other countries, yet will not allow any sanctions to be placed on themselves.
The short answer is that the U.S. has the biggest club, both militarily and economically. If a country really tries to mess with the U.S., then they will get clubbed. That’s it. That’s the big, secret reason.
Of course it is wise for the U.S. not to abuse this power, as we’re not that strong that we can tell the whole world to go fuck themselves. But that’s a whole different discussion.
It would be foolish for the U.S. to club people left and right, but it would be equally foolish to pretend that that power doesn’t exist and that all countries are equals on the international stage just because it feels all warm and fuzzy to think so.
[quote]gatesoftanhauser wrote:
We’d take Tehran in one month or less. [/quote]
You totally missed my point. Read closer.
You could take Tehran in a matter of days and there is no question about that. I pointed out to what the damage the Revolutionary Guard can do by planting bombs all around the place in US metropoles.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Hmmm…tell us more about what you know about the Revolutionary Guard. You seem to know something about them, more so than I thought.[/quote]
Well, I just echoed the official discourse of the Iranian leadership. Could be propaganda, but if you’re willing to take a chance, knock yourself out.
No way. Human suffering is nothing to rejoice at. Never.
I just pointed out that you shouldn’t expect the overwhelming sympathy or similar that you got on 9/11.
[quote]lixy wrote:
gatesoftanhauser wrote:
We’d take Tehran in one month or less.
You totally missed my point. Read closer.
You could take Tehran in a matter of days and there is no question about that. I pointed out to what the damage the Revolutionary Guard can do by planting bombs all around the place in US metropoles.[/quote]
Never heard of the US’ air defense weapon systems, have you? Here’s a little secret: pretty much anything the Iranians have in terms of missile technology is about 15-20 years BEHIND ours. We’d see their shitty, malfunctioning missiles miles before they’d hit our soil.
And the Rev. Guard wouldn’t get into the US Metropoles, why? We’re tightening up our immigration policies towards terrorist states quicker and harder than a scared virgin on prom night.
[quote]lixy wrote:
I pointed out to what the damage the Revolutionary Guard can do by planting bombs all around the place in US metropoles.[/quote]
The level of anhialation the US would bring to the terror sponsoring countries, as a direct result of such an action, would be mind blowing. Mess with the bull, and you’ll get the horns.
Lets hope for the worlds sake that something like this never happens. Seriously.
I dare you to present a single instance of Iran invading anybody in recent memory.[/quote]
Iran does not have to invade anyone. It supplies money and weapons to terrorist groups who do Iran’s bidding for them. This is how they insert influence on other countries.
I gave the argument to put things into perspective. Contrast Iran’s actions with those of the US post-WWII and dare tell me that the embassy takeover wasn’t a negligible event compared to US bombings and invasions. I’ll remind you that my post was in reply to TB who claimed that Iran was “hell-bent on regional domination by force”. It’s a preposterous statement to make and you know it. [/quote]
Ah, lixy finally provides us his “death by degree” argument. Look, man. If you are against killing, then you are against killing. It doesn’t matter by who, of who or how many. Those things are irrelevant.
You quibble over deaths like it was some sort of righteous tally. As if some deaths wash away others or are inviolate. Pathetic.
… Iranian rockets shipped to Hezbollah or Hamas are negligible compared to what you guys do funding terrorist groups around the world. You may not realize it, but those groups won the elections fair and square; something you can’t say about many of the groups you fund.[/quote]
Quibble!!!
lixy, have you sold your soul? You speak so nonchalantly about death. You show a dangerous lack of respect to the families of those that have died, on all sides.
As for Iran “supplying” arms, all I’ll say is that the United States is the number 1 arms dealer in the world and if you don’t think a good portion of those end up in the hands of guerilla and rebel factions, militias, terrorist organizations, etc, then you’re an idiot.[/quote]
I wonder why the AK-47 is the machine gun of choice among terrorists, militias and rebel factions. Why wouldn’t the US sell US made weapons if we are the biggest arms supplier? How does that work, we are the biggest arms supplier and we supply Russian made machine guns? Wouldn’t that make Russia the largest weapons supplier?
[quote]lixy wrote:
…You are seriously underestimating the Revolutionary Guard. I’ll bet you the US mainland gets hit by their bombs hours after you strike Iran. You’ll take them out eventually but they will respond with explosives and such in your cities. [/quote]
Um, it was France doing the warning, not the US. As for the Rev Guard… who knows?
[quote]lixy wrote:
Sorry pal. Iranian rockets shipped to Hezbollah or Hamas are negligible compared to what you guys do funding terrorist groups around the world. You may not realize it, but those groups won the elections fair and square; something you can’t say about many of the groups you fund.[/quote]
Which groups are we currently funding? How about a list of 5 just to show and example of who and what you are talking about.
[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Based on tangible evidence alone, and not theoretical hypotheses, the US is the violent hostile nation. Iran has yet to engage in any actions that would be deserving of such a label.
US- Bombs, invades, instills preferred form of gov.
Iran- Talks
Those arabs are crazy violent!!!
You seriously have no grasp on reality[/quote]
So, your arguement is: Iran funds terrorist groups that commit acts of terror and it is fine.
US arms militias, rebel groups and terrorists and they are bad guys?
[quote]lixy wrote:
Secondly, what on earth allows you to judge Iran’s common sense?[/quote]
If the US is wrong about this, why has France suddenly jumped on the band wagon against Iran owning Nukes? Funny, since they did not participate in the invasion of Iraq.
Anyway, I don’t recommend you try that. You are seriously underestimating the Revolutionary Guard. I’ll bet you the US mainland gets hit by their bombs hours after you strike Iran. You’ll take them out eventually but they will respond with explosives and such in your cities. [/quote]
Interesting that you, a self proclaimed pasifist, justify retalitory strikes on the US .