[quote]Sloth wrote:
lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Care to answer?
Obviously, and just like the crushing majority of people around here, I highly condemn such actions.
Let me rephrase my question: knowing that many such kidnapped people were cases of mistaken identity, what is your response? Are you among those that say “shit happens”? Are you OK with guilty until proven innocent?
You condemn brutal actions only when cornered. Otherwise, you have to be pressed into showing sympathy to a 16 year old “slut” that “played with fire and got burned.” You’re the one who played apologist for the use of children to plant road side bombs. Or, for terrorists to use human shields. Don’t come to me like you have the moral high ground.
By, the way, mistaken identity is a direct result of a policy you played apologist for. Remember the back and forth we had about not wearing uniforms, or at least a clear militia marking, and hiding among civilians? I remember it all too well.[/quote]
Not that that has anything to do with the people in Gitmo.
If I get kidnapped out of my own bed I am neither armed, nor in uniform.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20060530/ai_n16432166
Get on with it at Gitmo
Oakland Tribune, May 30, 2006
THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT knows its holding innocent people in the Guantanamo Bay military prison, but it is in no rush to release them.
In fact, some 38 prisoners have been declared to be “no longer enemy combatants,” according to military documents. Some were caught up in sweeps after the invasion of Afghanistan; others were sold to U.S. forces.
Military tribunals have determined that these people have been mistakenly held and that there is no evidence they are connected to terrorism, yet they continue to languish in tiny cells in Cuba. If that’s true, the military’s designation is misleading – the inmates not only are “no longer” enemy combatants, they never were. In some cases, those who have been cleared tell of being sold to the Americans by ruthless countrymen eager to make a buck.
Most of Gitmo’s 460 guests have been held for more than four years without charges. Last Friday, a U.N. panel called for the facility to close, saying it violates the 1984 Convention Against Torture.
Holding suspects indefinitely without charges is antithetical to American values, morals and the justice system. That the U.S. knows some of the prisoners are innocent makes it worse. It’s time for the Bush administration to release those it knows are innocent and allow the rest to have their day in court.
We can understand the need to have a short-term holding facility for terrorism suspects, but it’s an outrage that innocent people are being held indefinitely.
The administration’s says it’s holding some inmates because it may not be safe for them to return to their countries of origin. After essentially kidnapping them from their native land, it’s curious that the White House is suddenly acting so concerned about their safety. There’s no reason not to grant them asylum if they truly are innocent.
But what lesson do we draw from this?
If you see American forces better try to kill them for real because then you are a soldier and get treated quite well, if you just happen to live in the area without being armed or fighting Americans you are royally fucked and have no rights whatsoever.
The very fact that the had no weapons or uniforms make the guilty?
Is that what you are trying to say, because that is the consequence of your line of thinking.