[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
Edit: out of curiosity, why do you think he’s an atheist?[/quote]
Firstly, his background and ideology. He’s a radical leftist. Secondly, his actions and policy - pro-secular. Thirdly, what he’s said - e.g. video where he mocks the bible. Fourthly, from observing him speaking to black religious audiences it seems clear to me that he is cynically professing the faith to gain their support. I think I’m a pretty good judge of character.[/quote]
I’ve always thought so. At least I don’t think he believes in a personal god.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
Edit: out of curiosity, why do you think he’s an atheist?[/quote]
Firstly, his background and ideology. He’s a radical leftist. Secondly, his actions and policy - pro-secular. Thirdly, what he’s said - e.g. video where he mocks the bible. Fourthly, from observing him speaking to black religious audiences it seems clear to me that he is cynically professing the faith to gain their support. I think I’m a pretty good judge of character.[/quote]
I’ve always thought so. At least I don’t think he believes in a personal god. [/quote]
To the community organiser people of faith are just another subset to agitate. Alinsky taught the infiltration and use of existing institutions: unions, churches, political/advocacy groups etc. Trained by Alinsky’s Industrial Areas Foundation Obama followed his organising strategy to a tee.
“Camouflage is key to Alinsky-style organizing. While trying to build coalitions of black churches in Chicago, Obama caught flak for not attending church himself. He became an instant churchgoer .” - Richard Poe
Sadly, having a religion is a requirement for the highest public office. It’s not supposed to be, but you better at least pretend to play nice with some branch of Christianity or Mormon or you probably don’t have a prayer (yay pun).
Maybe it won’t always be this way, but for right now if I was planning on a Presidential run I’d become some type of believer real fast.
At least Obama being a closet atheist makes more sense than him being the secret Lizard King from Mars. (Which he still has yet to prove he’s NOT).
[quote]pushharder wrote:
^ Reminds me Apollo 17 commander Eugene Cernan’s (last man to step foot on the moon) recent words, “When you’ve been to the moon and looked back at the earth you understand why there can be no atheists in space,” or something pretty close to that, not an exact quote.[/quote]
There’s a lot of variety in atheism. Much like there’s variety is theistic and deistic beliefs. You can’t lump them all in the ‘Dawkinism’ or Marxism category.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
^ Reminds me Apollo 17 commander Eugene Cernan’s (last man to step foot on the moon) recent words, “When you’ve been to the moon and looked back at the earth you understand why there can be no atheists in space,” or something pretty close to that, not an exact quote.[/quote]
There’s a lot of variety in atheism. Much like there’s variety is theistic and deistic beliefs. You can’t lump them all in the ‘Dawkinism’ or Marxism category. [/quote]
And?[/quote]
Hmm… maybe I don’t fully understand why you threw that quote up. I think I could better answer you if you elaborated.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
^ Reminds me Apollo 17 commander Eugene Cernan’s (last man to step foot on the moon) recent words, “When you’ve been to the moon and looked back at the earth you understand why there can be no atheists in space,” or something pretty close to that, not an exact quote.[/quote]
There’s a lot of variety in atheism. Much like there’s variety is theistic and deistic beliefs. You can’t lump them all in the ‘Dawkinism’ or Marxism category. [/quote]
And?[/quote]
Hmm… maybe I don’t fully understand why you threw that quote up. I think I could better answer you if you elaborated. [/quote]
We were speaking of the atheist-in-chief so when I saw this interview with Cernan on the anniversary of the last lunar mission I thought I’d throw it up. No scheme or purpose in mind on my part.[/quote]
All I was saying is that there are atheists who indeed recognize faith as necessary and essential to be able to be and are in awe of creation and existence and forever seeking out for more answers.
The vid is related to how I feel about being atheist, yet still recognizing the importance of faith and still seeking out forever for more.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
All I was saying is that there are atheists who indeed recognize faith as necessary and essential to be able to be and are in awe of creation and existence and forever seeking out for more answers.
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That’s what’s called an incongruity.
An atheist that believes in a Creator, huh? News to me, my friend.
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All I thought atheist meant is ‘without god’. That is to say, just not a belief in a personal god like the Christian or Muslim god.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Maybe you meant to say you are a deist?[/quote]
Specifically, I’m deciding between pandeism and pantheism.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
Sadly, having a religion is a requirement for the highest public office. It’s not supposed to be, but you better at least pretend to play nice with some branch of Christianity or Mormon or you probably don’t have a prayer (yay pun).
Maybe it won’t always be this way, but for right now if I was planning on a Presidential run I’d become some type of believer real fast.
At least Obama being a closet atheist makes more sense than him being the secret Lizard King from Mars. (Which he still has yet to prove he’s NOT). [/quote]
Oh you and him still have religion - the religion of atheism.
Everyone has faith in something.[/quote]
I’m not atheist. I have absolutely no faith. Maybe you could say I have faith in the fact I don’t have any belief in faiths. Or in lack of faiths.
I don’t really think his (or anyone else’s) religion is even important. I don’t give a care if you call him Buddhist, Muslim, Atheist, Methodist, whatever. It really isn’t supposed to matter anyways. Certainly doesn’t to me, but I know this is a weird world.