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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
[But then again I’m not between the ages of 18-30 so I’m not nearly as easily swayed.

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The joints are the first things to go. Some Flameout might help with the flexibility issues.[/quote]

I don’t have any joint problems thanks for thinking of me though. You’re so nice like that. One thing that might help you however is a cold dose of reality. It won’t come out of your shower tomorrow morning either. But it will come over the next four years and…you won’t like it!
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It was a “not easily swayed” like the youngsters joke…nevermind.

What exactly is this cold dose of reality, Zeb?

The country is going to putter along as it has the last four years (assuming the collection of clowns and assholes that run our country can show a baseline level of competence/maturity and avert the so-called fiscal cliff which, by the way, shouldn’t exist in the first place and only does because House Republicans decided to turn a routine, uncontroversial procedure which doesn’t in any way add to the debt incurred by the country into a huge battle for cheap political points in 2011).

In fact, since we are in the middle of an economic recovery (i.e. the economy is growing and we’re adding jobs every month), things are actually going to get a little better, month by month.

Just like they would have if Romney had been elected.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
[But then again I’m not between the ages of 18-30 so I’m not nearly as easily swayed.

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The joints are the first things to go. Some Flameout might help with the flexibility issues.[/quote]

I don’t have any joint problems thanks for thinking of me though. You’re so nice like that. One thing that might help you however is a cold dose of reality. It won’t come out of your shower tomorrow morning either. But it will come over the next four years and…you won’t like it!
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It was a “not easily swayed” like the youngsters joke…nevermind.

What exactly is this cold dose of reality, Zeb?

The country is going to putter along as it has the last four years (assuming the collection of clowns and assholes that run our country can show a baseline level of competence/maturity and avert the so-called fiscal cliff which, by the way, shouldn’t exist in the first place and only does because House Republicans decided to turn a routine, uncontroversial procedure which doesn’t in any way add to the debt incurred by the country into a huge battle for cheap political points in 2011).

In fact, since we are in the middle of an economic recovery (i.e. the economy is growing and we’re adding jobs every month), things are actually going to get a little better, month by month.

Just like they would have if Romney had been elected.[/quote]

The joke fell flat my friend. Now if you could have tied my age into something that had to do with not being swayed. And then perhaps did a “you kids get off my lawn” thingy…yeah I’d have laughed. But the joint joke…it missed.

Anyway you are still a funny guy.

Over 16 trillion in debt…

unemployment at 7.9% exactly what it was when Obama took office and some say it’s actually a hell of a lot higher, but what do they know they just hate Obama.

The incompetent Obama allows four people to be killed in Libya (and I know you are outraged over this and have been holding it all in I understand) and…it’s all because of a video…oh wait no it’s not. Ha ha we’ll get back to you on that. No hurry most of the media doesn’t care. Guess what smh? The terrorists in the Middle East noticed that Obama is weak, and they also noticed that he doesn’t like to talk about… shhh… terrorism. In fact, they noticed that he doesn’t call it a war on terror. And do you know what else? They are coming after us because they know that in their words “the US has a woman as President.” And I probably don’t have to tell you what they think of women.

In addition to that Obama wants to raise taxes on the job creators. And I’m guessing that between Obama and the corrupt MSLM he will get his way. I just can’t see the house republicans holding out against such tremendous pressure. You know about the media and the Obama smear machine right? See war on women. Romney the tax cheat, murderer and animal abuser. No…they’ll cave. And I don’t blame them let Obama have his way all the way then there will be no question as to who owns the mess in four years time.

Hey…I didn’t even get into Obamacare and how that will royally screw most businesses. But…it’s okay because now everyone will be covered and have lollypops and bubble gum dreams…I’M SO HAPPY! :slight_smile:

And…and…no one has to pay for it. It all just magically appears! Weeeeeeeee…

I wonder why the lefties on the board can’t connect the dots? I am serious about that one.

Obamacare along with higher taxes will lead to higher prices on goods and services and lower pay for employees. How can it not? And what does all that mean? Hmmm…another dot! Not to mention the fact that small business instead of expanding will do what they’ve done for the past four years, no growth.

Shall we talk about the 3.8% tax on capital gains added on to pay for obamacare? Naw…who cares about that. It just doesn’t matter nothing does because Obama is cool.

Okay…okay…

I’m not a betting man but I’d be willing to bet whatever you call a months salary against two months of my own that we will be in another war, or call it a major conflict where Americans are killed AND we’ll be in another recession if Obamawitz gets his way on taxes.

Will you be around here in two or three years? I hope so because I will rub your nose in it. In a nice way of course only because I like you…most of the time.

Now onto another topic. Where exactly has liberalism succeeded long-term in this country state by state. Or in the world for that matter?

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  1. Canada 1993-2003

  2. Norway

  3. Sweden

  4. Finland

  5. Germany (ignore EU aspect)

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

Now onto another topic. Where exactly has liberalism succeeded long-term in this country state by state. Or in the world for that matter?
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What political ideology has succeeded long-term in all of human history?

And, by the way, how did we fare the last time “your people” won the prize? Or would you rather pretend that Republicans haven’t had any political power since the 80’s? And let’s not forget the fact that the pickle we find ourselves in at the moment is the design of a bunch of assholes whose names are accompanied by the letter “R” on C-Span. Where’s your outrage over “it’s a hostage that’s worth ransoming?”

Also, if we’re measuring political ideologies only by the successes they bred, you’ll have to make a strong case against imperial dictatorship given that the Pax Romana was by leaps and bounds the least violent era in Western history. I’ll throw the Pax Mongolica in there too.

Anyways, yes I know, you don’t like Obama. I wasn’t exactly signing up to canvass for him either, mind you (I didn’t vote for him). That said, I’d say your partisanship and the disappointment you’re undoubtedly still feeling is probably contributing to the portentousness of your predictions. If a deal isn’t struck by Jan. 1 or the Eurozone is brought down by the prodigal weights its tethered to, we’re headed for another recession. If not, things will continue on as they have been.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

Now onto another topic. Where exactly has liberalism succeeded long-term in this country state by state. Or in the world for that matter?
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What political ideology has succeeded long-term in all of human history?[/quote]

Not liberalism that’s for certain. Look at California and New York alone. Two states ruled by liberals for decades. And both are border line for going belly up. When the left gets their way the wreck things. And I think you are about to find that out over the next four years.

One more time, taking money from someone who earned it and giving it to someone who didn’t earn it doesn’t help the person you took it from or the person that you gave it to.

See LBJ’s war on poverty up to Obamacare (whose devastating effects will soon be felt) and every welfare program in between.

Liberalism is a resounding failure!

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Also smh I must ask you one more time to try to restrain yourself when posting about Benghazi. I know that you are really upset that four Americans, including one Ambassador, were killed needlessly. And that they had asked for help well in advance and were turned down by Obama, but you need to relax on this topic.

Post after post complaining about Obama being incompetent in this area will not help bring back the dead…Oh wait…you don’t seem to care. Never mind.

Phew…good thing GW Bush didn’t preside over that mess the forum would be filled with lefties screaming for impeachment. At least you guys play it straight down the middle…just like the media.

Obama sooooo wonderful! And cool as well we can’t forget that he’s cool.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Also smh I must ask you one more time to try to restrain yourself when posting about Benghazi. I know that you are really upset that four Americans, including one Ambassador, were killed needlessly. And that they had asked for help well in advance and were turned down by Obama, but you need to relax on this topic.

Post after post complaining about Obama being incompetent in this area will not help bring back the dead…Oh wait…you don’t seem to care. Never mind.

Phew…good thing GW Bush didn’t preside over that mess the forum would be filled with lefties screaming for impeachment. At least you guys play it straight down the middle…just like the media.

Obama sooooo wonderful! And cool as well we can’t forget that he’s cool.

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Time and again I’ve said he mishandled it. I’ve also said that Fox overplayed it…and maybe you should check the Tom Ricks thread because I recently gained a pretty remarkable fellow-traveler in that assessment (hint: he works at Fox).

Furthermore, I’m not Jay Carney and I certainly don’t have to answer for a President I didn’t vote for.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

BTW, though the Mongolian Empire certainly affected Western history to some degree it can’t really be “thrown in there too.” Just a small aside there, thank you.

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Correct, I meant to say that the Pax Mongolica had a similar effect on the Eurasian territories it affected (which had until that point been mired in war). I grant that my wording was ambiguous.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

Furthermore, I’m not Jay Carney and I certainly don’t have to answer for a President I didn’t vote for.[/quote]

Answer for Obama? No one said that.

Who did you vote for? I know it wasn’t Romney.

Care to share?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:
And let’s not forget the fact that the pickle we find ourselves in at the moment is the design of a bunch of assholes whose names are accompanied by the letter “R” on C-Span. Where’s your outrage over “it’s a hostage that’s worth ransoming?”

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You think so, huh? Really?

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I do.

I suspect that you know this, but the debt ceiling is not what most people in this country think it is. It sounds a lot like raising the debt ceiling has something to do with adding to the debt (it doesn’t, remotely), so House Republicans decided to turn an unremarkable procedure into a bitter, clawing fight in order to win cheap political points. It was, in other words, not a hostage worth shooting–but a hostage worth taking (that preening turtle does have a way with words).

And how much good it did them! One downgraded credit rating and an Obama victory later, here we are dealing with the artificial booby trap set up in response to the House’s fireworks show.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]nickj_777 wrote:

  1. Canada 1993-2003

  2. Norway

  3. Sweden

  4. Finland

  5. Germany (ignore EU aspect)[/quote]

Canada didn’t succeed under liberalism during that time period. It failed.

Norway “succeeds” because it’s awash in high dollar oil along with a relatively low population not because of its liberalism.

Not knowledgeable enough about Sweden and Finland to comment.

Why must the EU aspect be ignored with Germany?[/quote]
Sorry I meant Canada post 2000. Canada with a conservative government has a stable economy, and free health care. Germany has a good domestic economy and it is the sole EU member that can bail out the others. Australia can be included here too.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

Why must the EU aspect be ignored with Germany?[/quote]

Whether it’s ignored or not, Germany’s economy is strong.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]groo wrote:

You know thing is you call people like Stewart idiots when you are so wrapped up in your world view sometimes you can’t see reality. Like the polling thread. Not only were you wrong you were wrong and frequent in the personal attacks. This would cause one to perhaps engage in some personal reflection that their own worldview certainly isn’t everyone’s and as well certainly is no longer the dominant paradigm.

Its the narrative I am older than that age group and I don’t see them as the easily swayed myopic masses. I see them as hopeful less prejudiced and less full of bitterness.

You do seem pretty bitter. Life rarely works out exactly how you want but its your choice to be resentful of the young.
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So it’s personal attack time is it? You started up sooner than usual. I call Stewart names and then you attack me personally—Those wondering how these things begin only need look at your response to my previous comments.

Got it, my turn now…

There have been millions of political predictions made over the past decade or two. Half the people are wrong and half of them are right – Ho hum. Save your hate mail for someone you might be able to intimidate with your inexperienced bullshit. My “world view” (Chuckle) is pretty spot on. So much so that I’ve been able to make a good living for myself. Some day you might know what that’s like. And if you get there you won’t like the government taking half of it.

As to your comments on my age, if you don’t think that you are going to get any smarter over the next 20 years I feel sorry for you. As I tell my daughter who also thinks she knows everything, "if we have roughly the same IQ and I have lived 20+ years longer than you how can be both be on the same level? She’s smart enough to nod her head and walk away, you won’t be. It’s far too cool to throw stones at those of us who have lived, learned and see where the country is headed under Obama. Free stuff for everyone has never worked out they have a name for it, s o c i a l i s m. Granted we’re not there yet, but we’re one step closer.

And it apparently bothers you that I’m informed enough to know who voted for Obama. And the majority of those people want something from the government.

18-30 year olds who are basically star gazing liberals. And assume that the government can crap out handouts until hell freezes over with absolutely no negative consequences. They saw Obama on Jon Stewart and well…he soooo cool. Did I just describe someone that you know? Ha…

Single women with children who want Obama to pay for their baby. Or should I say the taxpayers.

Unions who have been treated really, really well by Obama and company. See the GM deal if you are ignorant of the facts. Of course there are more examples, but begin there.

Minorities who would vote for a democrat regardless of how poor a job he did in his first term. Now let’s see why would an entire minority group vote for a democrat every four years?

LBJ started it and he’s done more harm to minorities than the Klu Klux Klan. Look it up junior.

And those who voted against Obama, or should I say “for Romney”? Naw…against Obama, as I would have voted for a pig in a suit over Obama. Anyway those people wanted one thing from their government that is, “leave us alone.”

On the one hand we have most of Obama’s supporters with their hands out. On the other hand we have the anti Obama crowd with their hands up pushing government away. Can you figure it out from here or do you want me to draw you a nice little colored map?

Back on topic, as I said Stewart and company pander to chowder heads like you. When you grow up groo and actually make some money one day you won’t think he’s quite as funny. Maturity does have it’s advantages and one of them is to be able to see through the left wing crap that is thrown at us by a very biased corrupt media. You like it now because you are young and stupid. (Ouch that was nasty huh? Eh the truth is sometimes).

You’re a genius right now Skippy but in 10 years or so you’ll look back. And when you do you won’t think you were so very special. In fact you might be laughing at yourself then just as hard as I am laughing at you now.

Now it’s your turn and make sure to crank up the ad hominems. After all I did insult Jon Stewart in my previous post and you are not going to stand for that.

Go get em tiger!
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Nah a personal attack is something like this.
You are stupid and pedantic. Unable to change your position. Respond in an emotionally charged way to any post that disagrees with you. When you are demonstrably proven to be wrong instead of any rethinking, you might possibly admit that you were wrong, however you will attempt to hold on to your worldview by explaining away the positions of others as trite and meaningless. You also are a chronic poor speller and frequently misuse homonyms. It’s pointless to engage in dialogue with you because you not only don’t want to change your position you are incapable of it. You are like a yapping dog echoing the bark of its bigger better canine companions continuing on when they fall silent.

There ya go. Carry on.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

Why must the EU aspect be ignored with Germany?[/quote]

Whether it’s ignored or not, Germany’s economy is strong.[/quote]

Because of its liberalism?[/quote]

Because, in spite of…who am I to say? Causation can’t be proven, of course. And anyways, I don’t know enough about German politics and economics to delve too deep into this debate.

That said, Zeb has levied the challenge to “show where liberalism has worked.” I take this to mean “give an example of a politically liberal country that is also successful.”

Germany meets these criteria (45% income tax rate at the top, 25% on capital gains).

Finland is perhaps an even better example than Germany, though.

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Finland is fascinating because they have little natural resources and rely heavily on their educational investments in human capital.

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Where are all the complaints about NBC News?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2012/12/06/george-zimmerman-sues-nbc-over-trayvon-martin-reports/

George Zimmerman sues NBC over Trayvon Martin reports

Lawyers for George Zimmerman filed suit today against NBC Universal Media over a well-publicized editing error that portrayed their client in racist terms in his pursuit of Trayvon Martin on a drizzly evening in February.

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NBC?s editing of the 911 audiotape in the Martin case became a public fixation after the media-monitoring Web site NewsBusters.org noted editing oddities on a ?Today? show broadcast March 27. Here?s how NBC News portrayed the audiotape:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he?s up to no good. He looks black.

The full tape went like this:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he?s up to no good. Or he?s on drugs or something. It?s raining and he?s just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy ? is he black, white or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Where are all the complaints about NBC News?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2012/12/06/george-zimmerman-sues-nbc-over-trayvon-martin-reports/

George Zimmerman sues NBC over Trayvon Martin reports

Lawyers for George Zimmerman filed suit today against NBC Universal Media over a well-publicized editing error that portrayed their client in racist terms in his pursuit of Trayvon Martin on a drizzly evening in February.

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NBC?s editing of the 911 audiotape in the Martin case became a public fixation after the media-monitoring Web site NewsBusters.org noted editing oddities on a ?Today? show broadcast March 27. Here?s how NBC News portrayed the audiotape:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he?s up to no good. He looks black.

The full tape went like this:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he?s up to no good. Or he?s on drugs or something. It?s raining and he?s just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy ? is he black, white or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.[/quote]

In the article you linked they called it “an editing error”. Yeah right.