[quote]kamui wrote:
Hey !
I’m a liberal brainwashing professor. and I’m French !
do I win some prize ?[/quote]
The Nobel
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
We need more shows like Fareed Zakaria’s GPS, and Meet the Press.[/quote]
QFT
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]apbt55 wrote:
of course it isn’t fair and balanced to a left leaning person who for some reason thinks he is moderate[/quote]
Well said. It is more fair and balanced than its competition but it certainly leans right. I am thankful to have it as an option but do not pay much attention to Hannity, Coulter etc.
At least they have Stossel and Napolitano. I don’t see any others like them anywhere else in any major media outlet.[/quote]
It’s not more fair and balanced than its competition. It leans fairly far to the right, and it’s blatantly obvious. MSNBC leans far to the left, and it’s blatantly obviously. CNN leans slightly to the left but it is reasonably fair and balanced. Not coincidentally, it’s also doing the worst in the ratings. Most of the country doesn’t want fair and balanced. They want newstainment or ‘news and views.’[/quote]
CNN often ignores part of the news. I used to believe your statement but not anymore. Fox leans far right but he always presents the left’s point of view (although with a weak voice).
CNN is far more insidious because it will hide facts.
MSNBC is a pathetic joke.
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Fox News is great Edutainment, and a great buisness model for future edutainment networks to follow.
It’s a pretty poor new organization, with surveys over and over again showing people who get most of their News from Fox consistently behind the curve in their knowledge of facts.[/quote]
I have seen surveys showing just the opposite. And I have seen the surveys to which you are referring. It just shows the bias inherent in survey design.
At Basic Training all of the public TVs on post were either tuned to Fox News or a sports channel. The running joke, from the drill sergeants, was to not watch Fox News if you wanted to know the truth about what was going on in Iraq.
These were not hippy/liberal types but war vets, who were as patriotic as, if not more so, than any talking head on Fox or anyone in the White House. Most of them would probably have considered themselves republicans yet, even they saw Fox News as just propaganda.
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Fox News is great Edutainment, and a great buisness model for future edutainment networks to follow.
It’s a pretty poor new organization, with surveys over and over again showing people who get most of their News from Fox consistently behind the curve in their knowledge of facts.[/quote]
I have seen surveys showing just the opposite. And I have seen the surveys to which you are referring. It just shows the bias inherent in survey design.[/quote]
Let’s see some showing the opposite. There an numerous, regular surveys that confirm what I’m saying. One outlier to the contrary doesn’t contradict that. Let’s see a body over a number of years.
Something like 60%+ of folks who get their news from Fox STILL believe we found the WMDs in Iraq the Bush admin claimed were there. Now that’s a propaganda machine.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
At Basic Training all of the public TVs on post were either tuned to Fox News or a sports channel. The running joke, from the drill sergeants, was to not watch Fox News if you wanted to know the truth about what was going on in Iraq.
These were not hippy/liberal types but war vets, who were as patriotic as, if not more so, than any talking head on Fox or anyone in the White House. Most of them would probably have considered themselves republicans yet, even they saw Fox News as just propaganda. [/quote]
Hey wait I think I’ve seen you on other threads touting the liberal line. Now you hide behind the alleged opinion of a few drill sergeants.
Nice, you’ll fit right in here among the other lefty’s.
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Fox News is great Edutainment, and a great buisness model for future edutainment networks to follow.
It’s a pretty poor new organization, with surveys over and over again showing people who get most of their News from Fox consistently behind the curve in their knowledge of facts.[/quote]
I have seen surveys showing just the opposite. And I have seen the surveys to which you are referring. It just shows the bias inherent in survey design.[/quote]
Let’s see some showing the opposite. There an numerous, regular surveys that confirm what I’m saying. One outlier to the contrary doesn’t contradict that. Let’s see a body over a number of years.
Something like 60%+ of folks who get their news from Fox STILL believe we found the WMDs in Iraq the Bush admin claimed were there. Now that’s a propaganda machine.
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I would like to see a link to that survey. People on Fox have said there are no wmds, and have said the intel was very wrong, so why would the viewers think we found any. Please show me proof.
[quote]SUPER-T wrote:
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Fox News is great Edutainment, and a great buisness model for future edutainment networks to follow.
It’s a pretty poor new organization, with surveys over and over again showing people who get most of their News from Fox consistently behind the curve in their knowledge of facts.[/quote]
I have seen surveys showing just the opposite. And I have seen the surveys to which you are referring. It just shows the bias inherent in survey design.[/quote]
Let’s see some showing the opposite. There an numerous, regular surveys that confirm what I’m saying. One outlier to the contrary doesn’t contradict that. Let’s see a body over a number of years.
Something like 60%+ of folks who get their news from Fox STILL believe we found the WMDs in Iraq the Bush admin claimed were there. Now that’s a propaganda machine.
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I would like to see a link to that survey. People on Fox have said there are no wmds, and have said the intel was very wrong, so why would the viewers think we found any. Please show me proof.[/quote]
They don’t have to show proof, it’s the Internet. You only have to cast a negative aspersion and move on. Come on man try to keep up.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Fox News is great Edutainment, and a great buisness model for future edutainment networks to follow.
It’s a pretty poor new organization, with surveys over and over again showing people who get most of their News from Fox consistently behind the curve in their knowledge of facts.[/quote]
Where did you dig up the facts on that one? I’d really be interested in reading your source, thanks.
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http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/19/fox-news-viewers-misinformed/
If you think FOX news is the greatest news channel it is because it fits your slant on how the world is, period. Same with MSNBC, neither one get the facts totally right and both are slanted to a particular audience. Every group needs their “news” outlets which is why some turn to prison planet as their source of news, they fell that represents their views. But don’t kid yourself and think that your station has it “right.”
Anyone that has served in the military in theater knows that the crap that people fuel their internet debates with is dead wrong half the time if they got their “ammo” from the mainstream news.
Those of us that realize Repubs and Democrats are BOTH full of shit get our news from the Onion ;]
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Fox News is great Edutainment, and a great buisness model for future edutainment networks to follow.
It’s a pretty poor new organization, with surveys over and over again showing people who get most of their News from Fox consistently behind the curve in their knowledge of facts.[/quote]
Where did you dig up the facts on that one? I’d really be interested in reading your source, thanks.
[/quote]
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/19/fox-news-viewers-misinformed/[/quote]
thinkprogress? Really? thinkprogress is about as a credible source of facts as my five year old nephew.
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Fox News is great Edutainment, and a great buisness model for future edutainment networks to follow.
It’s a pretty poor new organization, with surveys over and over again showing people who get most of their News from Fox consistently behind the curve in their knowledge of facts.[/quote]
I have seen surveys showing just the opposite. And I have seen the surveys to which you are referring. It just shows the bias inherent in survey design.[/quote]
Let’s see some showing the opposite. There an numerous, regular surveys that confirm what I’m saying. One outlier to the contrary doesn’t contradict that. Let’s see a body over a number of years.
Something like 60%+ of folks who get their news from Fox STILL believe we found the WMDs in Iraq the Bush admin claimed were there. Now that’s a propaganda machine.
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They did find obsolete WMD’s in Iraq, just not large quantities of functional ones as the CIA and Bush claimed were there. This is a good illustration of how the MSM is not getting the truth out.
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
They did find obsolete WMD’s in Iraq, just not large quantities of functional ones as the CIA and Bush claimed were there. This is a good illustration of how the MSM is not getting the truth out.
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You’re playing semantics. The weapons the intelligence agencies claimed were not there, those were the weapons Bush used to justify the invasion, not the small amount of defunct weapons they did find.
There’s also a qualitative difference between being uninformed and mis-informed. You can make the case that the other mainstream media outlets did a poor job of informing their viewership of those facts (though I thought most people knew that). That’s qualitatively different and “less bad” than mis-informing your viewership, i.e. ending up with a viewership that overwhelmingly believes that we found the weapons described in the pre-war intelligence/as the justification for the war.
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
They did find obsolete WMD’s in Iraq, just not large quantities of functional ones as the CIA and Bush claimed were there. This is a good illustration of how the MSM is not getting the truth out.
[/quote]
You’re playing semantics. The weapons the intelligence agencies claimed were not there, those were the weapons Bush used to justify the invasion, not the small amount of defunct weapons they did find.
There’s also a qualitative difference between being uninformed and mis-informed. You can make the case that the other mainstream media outlets did a poor job of informing their viewership of those facts (though I thought most people knew that). That’s qualitatively different and “less bad” than mis-informing your viewership, i.e. ending up with a viewership that overwhelmingly believes that we found the weapons described in the pre-war intelligence/as the justification for the war.[/quote]
No, I am being accurate. WMD’s were there and most people are unaware of it. The fact that there were only roughly 100 obsolete warheads that likely would not function was under reported.
I highly doubt the accuracy of your claim. If a survey taker asked me if WMD’s were found in Iraq I would have to say yes or no They do not ask how many, if it matched the pre-invasion estimate, etc.
The MSM intentionally misinforms people about what was found every time they make the false claim that NO WMD’s were found.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Any time people don’t agree with Zeb, they must be liberal scum or young or living with their parents or went to a college where their liberal professors brainwashed them.
Mufasa, do yourself a BIG favor and just ignore the dribble that seems to come from ZEB these days.[/quote]
The demographic does tend toward the young on this site, maybe you haven’t noticed. And the Universities do tend toward the liberal, you haven’t noticed that either I’m sure. I guess you’re just being your predictable self again. we’re on opposite sides of the political fence and you choose to ignore reality while trying desperately to bash me.
Um, yeah I’d say this matches your usual inconsequential post.
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And yet the more vocal and respected posters aren’t that young.
I’m going to assume you’re a just another redneck who is “kinda” good at picking up “smarts” from TV and Magazines, but never bothered to get a formal education. Perhaps you tried, but found you just weren’t the academic type. The sad part is that you feel that you have to cover this up by ranting on about liberal professors instead of admitting your shortcomings. It’s the same mentality of the 9/11 “truthers” looking to blame someone for their own shitty lives.
[quote]storey420 wrote:
Anyone that has served in the military in theater knows that the crap that people fuel their internet debates with is dead wrong half the time if they got their “ammo” from the mainstream news.
Those of us that realize Repubs and Democrats are BOTH full of shit get our news from the Onion ;][/quote]
The Onion is truely the greatest news source known to man.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Any time people don’t agree with Zeb, they must be liberal scum or young or living with their parents or went to a college where their liberal professors brainwashed them.
Mufasa, do yourself a BIG favor and just ignore the dribble that seems to come from ZEB these days.[/quote]
The demographic does tend toward the young on this site, maybe you haven’t noticed. And the Universities do tend toward the liberal, you haven’t noticed that either I’m sure. I guess you’re just being your predictable self again. we’re on opposite sides of the political fence and you choose to ignore reality while trying desperately to bash me.
Um, yeah I’d say this matches your usual inconsequential post.
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And yet the more vocal and respected posters aren’t that young.
I’m going to assume you’re a just another redneck who is “kinda” good at picking up “smarts” from TV and Magazines, but never bothered to get a formal education. Perhaps you tried, but found you just weren’t the academic type. The sad part is that you feel that you have to cover this up by ranting on about liberal professors instead of admitting your shortcomings. It’s the same mentality of the 9/11 “truthers” looking to blame someone for their own shitty lives.[/quote]
You just proved my earlier assertion of you having inconsequential posts. First of all I didn’t say anything about “respected posters.” What I said was that the demographic tends toward the young. That means that when you have a random exchange with someone chances are their going to be a young male. There should be no surprise here given the subject matter of T Nation. This is an easy call and one that you sholdn’t even question. The topic is are the posters of T Nation a young male demographic. The answer is a resounding yes!
Secondly, I have a degree in business from a very respected (four year) university, so you’re 0-2. I’ve seen first hand exactly what passes for college professors. Furthermore, I’ve sat on hiring committees at our local college and have seen eye to eye the types who are inclined toward these positions. It’s a safe bet that about 75% are left of center. And of that group probably half far left. But don’t take my word for it, do your own research you’ll find that is the case at most universities.
One final point, there is a stereotype of conservatives that you’ve allowed to seep into that left leaning godless brain of yours. Those who sit on the far left look at conservatives as redneck, racists who never attended college and in fact had a difficult time getting through high school. I get it, but unfortunately you don’t. The only one who fits any sort of stereotype here happens to be you for stereotyping me. The far left feeling that they’re so very smart and above everyone that they must try to control the masses. Got it.
Try again.
[quote]skaz05 wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Fox News is great Edutainment, and a great buisness model for future edutainment networks to follow.
It’s a pretty poor new organization, with surveys over and over again showing people who get most of their News from Fox consistently behind the curve in their knowledge of facts.[/quote]
Where did you dig up the facts on that one? I’d really be interested in reading your source, thanks.
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http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/19/fox-news-viewers-misinformed/[/quote]
thinkprogress? Really? thinkprogress is about as a credible source of facts as my five year old nephew.[/quote]
That’s interesting because if you even bothered to check the link you would see that the webpage is merely a cut and paste from a study completed by NBC and the Wall Street Journal. It shows that people who watch Fox New are more likely to be misinformed about the new health care bill than the general population as well as other news watchers. Ergo, Fox watchers are more misinformed than the general public on party issues like health care.
P.S. How fair and balanced can you be if you make a judgement before checking a simple link?
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
[quote]skaz05 wrote:
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Fox News is great Edutainment, and a great buisness model for future edutainment networks to follow.
It’s a pretty poor new organization, with surveys over and over again showing people who get most of their News from Fox consistently behind the curve in their knowledge of facts.[/quote]
Where did you dig up the facts on that one? I’d really be interested in reading your source, thanks.
[/quote]
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/19/fox-news-viewers-misinformed/[/quote]
thinkprogress? Really? thinkprogress is about as a credible source of facts as my five year old nephew.[/quote]
That’s interesting because if you even bothered to check the link you would see that the webpage is merely a cut and paste from a study completed by NBC and the Wall Street Journal. It shows that people who watch Fox New are more likely to be misinformed about the new health care bill than the general population as well as other news watchers. Ergo, Fox watchers are more misinformed than the general public on party issues like health care.
P.S. How fair and balanced can you be if you make a judgement before checking a simple link?[/quote]
They’re still a BS website. Many of their articles have been proven to consist of lies and freshly “pulled-out-of-ass” facts. If this article was on, say, huffpost, then it would be worthy of further investigation; at least they actually do research before posting their hate.